Posted on 02/17/2006 11:16:14 AM PST by SonofLiberty1
Looks like Virginia has fallen. I wonder why patriots would allow such disgusting abuses to take place.
Do you mind the government knowing how many guns you have?
"When I asked them what their criteria was for the people that they collected the 4473s on at the Pittsburgh show, the answer I got back was, 'If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. That's all we need,'" McComas continued.
Gov't out of control
"Do you know what would happen to these traitorous jack-booted thugs in prison?"
Anything the gangs would like and I wouldn't help stop?
The close associates would never approve it without full kowledge that the president had indicated he approved.
"If they started to purchase a gun [the agents] would ask them why they were buying it, what were they buying it for, what did they need that gun for,"
Personally I wouldn't pee on an ATF agent to put out a fire.
Congress needs to get these jack booted thugs under control, NOW.
A lot of people don't even know it it illegal to buy a gun for another. For that matter a parent who buys a gun for their Son's Christmas present might be considered a "straw purchase" by many.
These agents weren't going after people they had any reason to suspect. They were going after all of the women.
I'll bite. It's a really good thing that we have strong supporters of the second amendment like Jorge Bush in the white house, and a republican controlled house and senate, otherwise the BATF might get out of control. </sarcasm>
I firmly believe that Bush and Company have bought into the "duck hunting" theory of the second amendment. He does not support the right that Madison penned.
First, provide the proof that this is happening. That's a pretty big "If."
If if if.
Where is your proof? Prove it, and then we will talk.
F-Troop should be disbanded completely. Read, "Unintended Consequences."
the kinder, gentler Jim Crow ATF.
I HATE these thugs.
federal Bureau of FATE (Firearms, Alcohol, Tobacco, and Explosives)
THAT is the real problem here. If "Republican" ain't "Conservative" it ain't S#!T.
Jackbooted government thugs at work on the taxpayer's dime.
"F-Troop should be disbanded completely. Read, 'Unintended Consequences'."
One helluva book. I keep waiting for a Henry Bowman to surface.
Rednecks hold the invention of the wheelbarrow as the primary reason why we can walk upright today.
My knees have not yet healed from my early days of scampering around on all fours. Thank goodness I never developed the hoofs, my granny was certain I would.
Just remember, "Gun Show Loophole" is Brady Bunch code for "Eliminate Private Sales".
From http://www.tsrapac.org/gnshtalk.htm
According to the National Institute of Justice, the research arm of the U.S. Department of Justice (NIJ), study released in December 1997, less than 2 percent of criminal guns come from gun shows. The same study found that twenty-five percent of crime guns came from gun stores, even though FBI permission is required for every purchase from a gun store. (Homicide in Eight U.S. Cities, page 99.)
A June 2000 federal study, Federal Firearms Offenders, 1992-98 likewise finds only 1.7% of federal prison inmates obtaining their gun from a gun show. (Plus 1.5% from a "flea market.")
That finding is consistent with a mid-1980s study for the NIJ, which investigated the gun purchase and use habits of convicted felons in 12 state prisons. The study (later published as the book Armed and Considered Dangerous) found that gun shows were such a minor source of criminal gun acquisition that they were not even worth reporting as a separate figure.
At the November 1999 meeting of the American Society of Criminology, a study of youthful offenders in Michigan reported that only 3 percent of the youths in the study had acquired their last handgun from a gun show.
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Even for the tiny percentage of criminal guns acquired at for gun shows (and the 25% figure for gun stores) does not mean that the criminal necessarily purchased the gun himself at that location. Many persons with criminal records use a “straw man” purchaser--someone with a clean record who buys the gun, and then transfers it to the criminal.
“Straw man” purchases have been classified a federal felony since the Gun Control Act of 1968; the federal law against straw purchases was strengthened in 1986 by the NRA-sponsored Firearms Owners Protection Act.
According to the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence (the legal/educational arm of Handgun Control, Inc.), the group's own survey of major-city police chiefs found only 2 out of 48 who said that guns from gun shows (both “legal and illegal sales” according to the questionnaire) were a major problem in their city.
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms produced a paper in early 1999 which said that 10% of gun traces (not crime guns) came from gun shows (included purchases made from licensed dealers, and purchases from private individuals). As the Congressional Research Service has explained, BATF gun traces reveal no meaningful information about gun use in crime; traces are initiated at the request of local police, and can be requested for all sorts of reasons (e.g., to aid the recovery of a stolen gun, for curiosity). Most BATF gun traces do not involve crime guns taken from violent criminals.
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