Congress Told of ATF Seizures, Threats to Gun Buyers

CNSNews.com ^ | February 17, 2006 | Jeff Johnson

[BulletBobCo]

[basil]

Friends, this is pure and simply governmental abuse. We cannot stand still for this. We must be prepared to exercise our Constitutional rights.

If each of us requests a copy of the records of the BATF covering these events, that should keep them busy for a while.

Otherwise, I would face arrest before I would answer any of the questions that were asked.

[JudgemAll]

(CNSNews.com) - Agents of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), allegedly acting without warrants or legislative authority to do so, seized firearms from at least 50 gun show patrons in Virginia according to congressional testimony and an agency document made public Wednesday. Witnesses also testified that African-American and female gun buyers in Richmond, Va., and Pittsburgh, Pa., were profiled based on their race or sex and some in Pittsburgh were threatened with arrest by ATF agents for alleged actions that are not violations of law.

Meanwhile they will do absolutely nothing about the illegal aliens I have pointed to them acquiring arms via civil loopholes.

The ATF is run by a bunch of dopey Clinton lawyers

[TChris]

"Did anybody mention that it is a federal crime to deny women or minorities their civil rights?" Feeney asked. "Did anybody mention to the ATF that denying civil rights, including the right to bear arms, is a federal crime?"

Just as soon as ATF agents are arrested and convicted for violating the civil rights of gun buyers, they'll start giving a rat's a$$. A law with no enforcement is no law. That goes double for laws meant to restrain law enforcement officers.

[joe fonebone]

ME TOO.........ARREST ME, AND THEN I WILL SUE, BIG TIME..............

[Dead Corpse]

I keep waiting for a Henry Bowman to surface.

Yep.

Or an Andrew Fletcher (Black Arrow). Or a Brad Fallon (Enemies: Foreign and Domestic). Or a Zoro...

Frog pots at a boil and the hogs are hungry.

Ain't no one wants to be the first gopher to pop his head above the berm.

[Condor51]

...If they started to purchase a gun [the agents] would ask them why they were buying it, what were they buying it for, what did they need that gun for...

• Why are you buying it? Because I can
• What are you buying it for? To open bottles
  
• What do you need that gun for? I work in a Post Office

That'd get them :-)

[Vic3O3]

ping to read

[looscnnn]

I think that this committee needs to expand it's investigation/questioning to include other incidents. Other gun shows, John Glover, etc. need to be included to give the committee and Congress the full scope of the ineptitude/corruption of the BATFE. However, I think that "not listening" is more likely to happen.

[looscnnn]

Of course they could also be sitting there saying "yeah right, a federal government agency would never do that".

[Technogeeb]

Dumb question. If a number of legally brought guns are getting into the hands of street criminals via straw buyers, how does one stop it?

That is easy; imprison the criminals. The problem is that we must properly define "criminal" to mean someone preying upon the life, liberty, or property of another individual. The reason that distinction must be made is for many liberals "criminal" is anyone who has a gun in the first place.

The premise that prior restraint should be used as a solution to the "gun problem" is fundamentally flawed. Some people advocate such views because of a lack of understanding of what it means to be an American; they don't want to be "free", they just want to be "safe" and foolishly believe granting government power can achieve this goal.

The remaining gun control advocates are racists who don't want black or Irish people to have guns. Historically, most gun control advocates fall into this latter category.

The solution to gun crime is pretty simple; it is the same solution to any other crime. Lock up the criminal and leave regular people alone to do whatever they want.

[RSmithOpt]

Just depends on where you shop in this country..... :>)

[RSmithOpt]

Sure do. If I possess a Class III and associated hardware, I can go along with that, however, anything else, forget it.

You ever notice just how people quit shooting one another and other crimes when the gov made it manitory to have a permit for a handgun??

[Sax]

Ah, Class III, that's on my to-do list, just not quite there yet...

[RSmithOpt]

The only way I could possibly agree with such action if the BTAF agents knew in advance with proof positive that those buying the firearms were known convicted felons (whose statutes of limitations haven't run out), known gang members, especially MS-13, Russian, and Asian, and / or suspected foreign terrorists, or an illegal alien. Otherwise the BATFE agents need to be working the beat along our southern border towns and the border.

[looscnnn]

The problem is that we must properly define "criminal" to mean someone preying upon the life, liberty, or property of another individual.

You know that would never happen, first of all that would make government (on all levels) criminals. They aren't about to admit to that. Also with the right lawyers & judges you could get companies defined as that.

[looscnnn]

You ever notice just how people quit shooting one another and other crimes when the gov made it manitory to have a permit for a handgun??

Huh, where? Some states require permits to carry concealed but not to own them.

[Ladysmith]

"Every woman that makes a purchase, every woman who comes to my table to buy a gun was automatically [treated as] a straw purchaser," White said. (A "straw purchaser" is a person who can otherwise legally purchase a firearm, but who does so with the intent to illegally provide it to an ineligible buyer such as a convicted felon or an illegal alien. "Straw purchases" are illegal.)

Those b@stards!

Oh man, this is just p!ssing me off!...

[RSmithOpt]

I ask for forgiveness. I wasn't referring to ownership (my bad)....in a lot of states, a permit to buy a handgun from a dealer (gun shop)is required by law. Most people I know, have handguns that are inherited or bought from another well known individual. Always keep the serial numbers of all firearms safely stored separate in case they are ever stolen.

[looscnnn]

I firmly believe that Bush and Company have bought into the "duck hunting" theory of the second amendment. He does not support the right that Madison penned.

Of course, he installed an AG that is anti military style weapon (AKA "Assault weapon"). Whether he was pandering (lying) or not, he did say he would sign the so called "Assault Weapon" ban if it came to his desk. It never did, thank God, but what if it had? Then the truth would have come out. Who was lying/pandering, Bush or the Bush backers that said that he is just saying that to get votes? One of the few good things to come out of Congress.