Posted on 02/18/2006 11:21:08 PM PST by Tut
Ex-Official: Russia Moved Saddam's WMDs
A top Pentagon official who was responsible for tracking Saddam Hussein's weapons programs before and after the 2003 liberation of Iraq, has provided the first-ever account of how Saddam Hussein "cleaned up" his weapons of mass destruction stockpiles to prevent the United States from discovering them.
"The short answer to the question of where the WMDs Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John. A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va. (www.intelligencesummit.org)
"They were moved by Russian Spetsnaz (special forces) units out of uniform, that were specifically sent to Iraq to move the weaponry and eradicate any evidence of its existence," he said.
Shaw has dealt with weapons-related issues and export controls as a U.S. government official for 30 years, and was serving as deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security when the events he described today occurred.
He called the evacuation of Saddam's WMD stockpiles "a well-orchestrated campaign using two neighboring client states with which the Russian leadership had a long time security relationship."
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This is on Fox News right now. 0819 EST
This article deserves to be read in it's entirety!
Actually, from the mid '50s until the Islamic Revolution of 1979, Iran was a very strong ally - The Shah was a friend of the United States until Jimmy Carter stabbed him in the back.
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A book was recently published by an ex-general in Saddam's air Force. He is an Assyrian Christian. He said that he saw biological and chemical weapons moved out of Iraq to Syria before the U.S.invasion.
Its IMPOSSIBLE for Iraqis, the intelligence services of at least two different U.S. Presidential Administrations, Iraq's neighbors, and the intelligence services of all major nations on earth to have been wrong.
They were there. They were moved. They are in Syria. And its certainly not beyond reason that Putin and his buddies helped move them. Maybe they even had Frenchmen and Germans assisting.
"I was arguing with a guy once that said America was responsible for the Cold War and that the USSR had every right to occupy Eastern Europe. More recent, though, is their idea that Bush is the butcher. Rediculous. The hatred for Bush and the anti-American stance of alot of people on the left scares me."
I bet ten to one he is a communist, yet most of the left are socialists to begin with.
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Update from Summit attendee Vallely
Will this be on the Sunday morning moron-talkshows?
yes he is...
True!
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Could it be just a question of proper timing/election timing?
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George W. Bush is known as a great poker player
Here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1070924/posts
The American Thinker February 3, 2004 | Thomas Lifson
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One final note on George W. Bush’s management style and his Harvard Business School background does not derive from the classroom, per se. One feature of life there is that a subculture of poker players exists. Poker is a natural fit with the inclinations, talents, and skills of many future entrepreneurs. A close reading of the odds, combined with the ability to out-psych the opposition, leads to capital accumulation in many fields, aside from the poker table.
By reputation, the President was a very avid and skillful poker player when he was an MBA student. One of the secrets of a successful poker player is to encourage your opponent to bet a lot of chips on a losing hand. This is a pattern of behavior one sees repeatedly in George W. Bush’s political career. He is not one to loudly proclaim his strengths at the beginning of a campaign. Instead, he bides his time, does not respond forcefully, at least at first, to critiques from his enemies, no matter how loud and annoying they get. If anything, this apparent passivity only goads them into making their case more emphatically.
No. This was a worst case media story. The Iraqi Air Force did not fight. The airbases were leafleted and the Coalition warned certain members of air force leadership not to take part and disperse their inventory. The revaltion that certain discussions were ongoing with the Iraqi Air Force was highlighted in interviews with Coaliton commanders after the conflict. The Iraqis had no other options. The leaflets informed them to cover and move away from their equipment. They took it literally! They did the same for Sukhois and other MiGs in the inventory.
The story of the MiGs containing advanced French and Russian recce gear was total non-sense. It make a good press story, but doesn't stand up. These Foxbats were standard Soviet export models sold to the Iraqis in the 1980s and contained nothing but standard Soviet supplied recce gear. Algeria and India and some of the ex-Warsaw Pact members (Bulgaria) got the same equipment on their MiG-25s.
Vallelly (sp?) another Fox military contributor said something to the effect that the administration prefers to look "forward" in dealing with Putin and the Russians and calling them on this would not keep the focus on future dealings.
You said, "Lets face it. WE NEVER WON THE COLD WAR."
Your tagline says?
Living in a state full of socialist airheads, illegal immigrants and women who can't drive.
I WONDER IF IT FITS YOU?
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Just by analysing the military equipment used by Iraq will answer this question.
Iraq had Soviet and Chinese versions of T-72, T-64, and T-55, not American M60 or M1.
Iraq had Soviet and French Aircraft, not American.
Iraq had Soviet and Chinese IFV, not American.
Iraq had Soviet and South African Artillery, not American.
Iraq had Soviet Scuds, not American.
Need I go on. Iraq was definitely a Soviet client state long before GW1. About the only help we gave Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war was some recon photo and that was during the time when it looked like Iran might be winning.
So if that is true, why would Russia be giving WMDs to Iraq? Historically, hasn't Russian been against Iraq and for Iran?
I am confused on this claim that the Russians gave WMDs to Iraq.
In the world of geopolitics, there's no such thing as eternal alliances. During World War II we were the Soviet Union's ally, the instant the war ended we went back to being enemies. When the SU invaded Afghanistan, we supplied the Taliban with the weaponry needed to drive them out.
Once the Soviet Union collapsed, all the old alliances came to end and everything changed. Russia's primary need was to make money by selling off equipment to anyone willing to buy it.
I knew I needed to wait until this morning to read your post.
It was very GOOD.
"I have said many times that the WMD's were not the issue, his refusal to honor the terms of his surrender in 1991 was. That cease fire agreement was signed in the blood of those we lost in the first Gulf War and I can't think of a more powerful reason to remove Saddam Hussein from power than in the names of those we lost in "Operation Desert Storm", and all the other reasons for removing that mad man is simply additional nails in his Coffin"
I couldn't agree with you more.
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