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Ex-Official: Russia Moved Saddam's WMD
Newsmax.com ^ | February 19, 2006 | Kenneth R. Timmerman

Posted on 02/20/2006 11:29:29 PM PST by Thunder90

A top Pentagon official who was responsible for tracking Saddam Hussein's weapons programs before and after the 2003 liberation of Iraq, has provided the first-ever account of how Saddam Hussein "cleaned up" his weapons of mass destruction stockpiles to prevent the United States from discovering them.

"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va. (www.intelligencesummit.org).

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: assad; chicoms; china; coldwar2; communism; france; frogs; gru; intelligencesummit; iraq; kennethrtimmerman; kgb; lebanon; pootiepoot; primakov; putin; russia; saddamhussein; soviets; sovietunion; spetsnaz; syria; timmerman; ussr; vladimirputin; wmd
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To: Dr. Frank fan
re :Sadly, this is a widespread belief, that the "whole point" of the invasion was to "confiscate" some objects (WMDs). I wish people would give it just a moment's thought before they say things like this, because they'd realize how silly that sounds.

Sorry but I remember the build up to war as well.

And the main point was to go in and find and destroy any WMD and WMC.

It was stated that he had a number of systems. The point was also raised that while he may not use them he may hand them over to a terrorist organistion to use.

A point I challenged on FR at the time and was roundly flamed

The point is do they exist and if they do where are they and even more worrying who now controls them.

41 posted on 02/21/2006 7:45:24 AM PST by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: Thunder90
I'm anxiously awaiting the day the story of what happened to Saddam's WMDs finally becomes so compellingly true and undeniable that the MSM will not be able to ignore it.

That day has got to come sometime. I just hope it's not 20 years from now when it will have no political impact.
42 posted on 02/21/2006 7:52:44 AM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: ml1954

Russia again shows its true stripes.


43 posted on 02/21/2006 7:54:17 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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To: ml1954
re :That day has got to come sometime. I just hope it's not 20 years from now when it will have no political impact.

Or a few months from now when some terrorist group uses them.

The fact is do they exist, if so where are they who controls them.

Is the silence from the government because they have lost them and don't want people to know.

Where are they who controls them and what weapon systems are we talking about.

44 posted on 02/21/2006 7:56:38 AM PST by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: Thunder90

bump


45 posted on 02/21/2006 8:00:08 AM PST by VOA
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DEBKA!

46 posted on 02/21/2006 8:01:28 AM PST by evets (God bless president Bush!)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Russia again shows its true stripes.

If the Iran connection cited in the article is the reason we let them get away with this, I'm a little ambivalent. Russia may not be the Soviet Union any more but it is certainly not a 'friend', whatever that word means, if anything, when used in the context of geopolitics.

If JWB had lost the election because if it I'd be angry. JWB had to know about this and chose not to expose it for reasons of national security, thereby risking his own reelection. What a statesman!!

And the DIMs had to know about this as well and tried to exploit the fact JWB wouldn't expose the truth. What scum bag low life traitors.

47 posted on 02/21/2006 8:12:17 AM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: tonycavanagh

Or a few months from now when some terrorist group uses them.

The fact is do they exist, if so where are they who controls them.

Hopefully, Russia still controls them. And if they know we know this story, they'll make sure they are not used.

I hate to rely on Russia for anything, but this sounds like a Realpolitik situation to me.

48 posted on 02/21/2006 8:15:26 AM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: ml1954
re :Hopefully, Russia still controls them. And if they know we know this story, they'll make sure they are not used.

I snorted when I read this, sorry I don't mean to be rude but even if this is true and Russia does control them, there is rampant corruption in the Russian military and Arabs have

1) Good connections with the Russian military

2)Plenty of the folding stuff.

For a real worse case scenario, Iran is tempting us to attack them because they control some of the weapon systems and will use them when we attack there nuclear facilities.

49 posted on 02/21/2006 8:20:27 AM PST by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: tonycavanagh

I snorted when I read this, sorry I don't mean to be rude but even if this is true and Russia does control them, there is rampant corruption in the Russian military and Arabs have.

I can understand why you would snort about it. However, it's not a perfect world and if it is the best we can do right now, it is what it is.

It's better they are in Russia's hands than Saddam's. And they know we know. It's Realpolitiks.

On the other hand, the whole story could be Israeli disinformation. That wouldn't surprise me either.

50 posted on 02/21/2006 8:27:22 AM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: CyberAnt

"So .. Bush DIDN'T LIE! Bush and the rest of the intel community believed the WMD existed .. and it was only Israel who captured the pictures of the truth - Russia moving the WMD into Syria from Iraq. Amazing!"

Bush has a real problem. He trusts too much but unlike Reagan he does not verify and hold people to account!!!


51 posted on 02/21/2006 8:40:31 AM PST by quant5
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To: Thunder90

MyGoodnees-gracious , are we surprized yet????????????...............FRegards


52 posted on 02/21/2006 9:02:29 AM PST by gonzo (I'm not shy... I'm just stalking my prey... Stay quiet, and stop breeding if you're stupid!!)
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To: quant5

"Bush has a real problem. He trusts too much but unlike Reagan he does not verify and hold people to account!!!"

Exactly. If it is true that Iraq's WMD were allowed to be moved out of the country while Iraqi informants like the infamous "Curveball" were assuring the Bush administration that there were "massive stockpiles" of WMD in Iraq, it is an intelligence failure of massive proportions and does nothing to help the President's image on going to war.
Maybe Bush didn't lie but instead it will appear that he was snookered by a double agent working for Iran named Ahmed Chalabi who got Bush to do his dirty work by overthrowing the Sunni tyrant Saddam and install an Iran-friendly Shiite government in Iraq.


53 posted on 02/21/2006 9:11:18 AM PST by jamese777
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To: rightinthemiddle

It will be ignored by the putinists on this forum.


54 posted on 02/21/2006 9:35:39 AM PST by Thunder90
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To: RusIvan; jb6; GarySpFc

Russia moved Iraqi WMD.


55 posted on 02/21/2006 9:36:14 AM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90
Russia moved Iraqi WMD.

The most reliable report has come from Saddam's General Sada who stated they stripped the seats out of a 747 and a 737, and transported the WMD to Syria with multiple flights. Shaw has been in serious trouble and been discredited.
56 posted on 02/21/2006 9:41:56 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: Thunder90; x5452

PING


57 posted on 02/21/2006 9:43:36 AM PST by Thunder90
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To: SR 50
Michael Moore is a provocateur. This is what he does, what he has made his living doing and achieved his hallowed status with the dumicrats doing.

To put it plainly, he stirs up muck with lies and/or half truths using this propaganda to promote his own agendas. And to get simple minded people to react. Then he sits back and laughs as the $$$$'s roll into his bank accounts.

Does he ever give anything back (except ridicule) to his dimwitted followers? I really don't think so. I just seriously wonder how anyone takes this pompous @ss seriously. He is a walking indictment of how truly naive and stupid the liberal left is.
58 posted on 02/21/2006 10:40:01 AM PST by silver charm (Do not be deceived, God can not be mocked. A man shall reap what he sows. Gal. 6:7)
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To: Thunder90

The more stories I hear about the WMD, the more I hope that the Bush presidency is an eight year movie where in the last scenes, the truth comes out and the good guys win. We can only hope, for the sake of this country, that the information held close to the vest by this administration doesn't end up in the shredder of some disgruntled CIA analyst in the final moments.


59 posted on 02/21/2006 11:03:26 AM PST by deputac
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To: ml1954

"JWB had to know about this and chose not to expose it for reasons of national security, thereby risking his own reelection. What a statesman!!"

Great point, I agree - but do you mean "Jorge W. Bush"?


60 posted on 02/21/2006 11:29:09 AM PST by rfp1234 (I've had it up to my keyster with these leaks!!! - - - Ronald Reagan)
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