Posted on 02/26/2006 9:39:21 PM PST by tbird5
A mysterious cataclysm almost brought about the end of the world some 250 million years ago
The last time Earth experienced a mass extinction, some 65 million years ago, at the end of the Cretaceous period, there is little doubt about what happened. A humongous meteor slammed into the Yucatan Peninsula, incinerating everything around for thousands of miles. Plumes of vaporized rock blanketed the planet in a layer of thick ash, blocking the sun and choking off photosynthesis. The entire global ecosystem virtually collapsed in a geological eye-blink.
Though the dinosaurs might find it crass to say so, the late Cretaceous cataclysm that did them in was a planetary bad hair day compared to the mass extinction that occurred some 250 million years ago, at the end of the Permian period. The Permian event is probably the closest that life on Earth ever came to being completely extinguished. Around 95 percent of marine species and 70 percent of terrestrial vertebrates were wiped out -- a greater percentage of the Earth's species than the next two largest mass extinctions combined. The break in the fossil record at the Permian boundary is so severe that 19th-century geologists saw it as evidence of two completely separate creations of life.
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The present American Indian population is 4.3 million, based on self IDs in census reports. Which undoubtedly underestimates the number of actual descendents of American Indians, because many are interbred with westerners at modest enough portions (1/8th, 1/16th, etc) that they do not so identity themselves. Only about 1/3rd of those who list no other identity group for themselves live in tribal lands, incidentally - almost all are entirely assimilated to the rest of the culture.
On vastly better lives, yes a median income of $27,000 a year in a free society with real justice and ready cooperation, abundant wealth, technology, food, and all creature comforts, is vastly better than scraping a meager existence from hunting while living in tents with no medicine beyond magical superstition and no justice beyond brazen torture by whoever it locally stronger today.
Watermelon greens opposed to modernity, capitalism, technology, and for that matter even agriculture and population, have systematically romanticised the American Indian past, in a tradition going back to Rosseau. And extending to desires to see civilization eliminated as a cancer to the planet and a reversion to hunter-gatherer existence, even though they know it would mean the demise of 99% of the human race - because anything else is dangerous to their precious wilderness. And that is commie nonsense every bit as murderous at bottom as Nazis or Stalinists. Yes murderous. Banning DDT alone has caused 500 million preventable human deaths from malaria since the early 1960s.
It is all utter rot. The American Indians were not noble, just savages. They were not helpless victims, they were torturers. After all the horrible aspects of their society have been eliminated by present justice, one can lament whatever nicer bits their stories, culture, folk traditions etc might have had in romantic fashion, that's fine as mere poetry. But if any one of them wants to actually live like that again, they have only to buy a ticket to New Guineau, and they can die from untreatable disease or starvation to their hearts content. They don't want to. A few just want to earn ideological points with leftist identity politicians by castigating their benefactors.
I often wonder what the world would be like if the Europeans' immune systems were as weak to the Native populations diseases as the Natives were to Europeans...and, on the other hand, why Africans seemed to have little problem with European diseases.
And kudos for being up so early...or late...
Civilization does not get a margin of error to tolerate nonsense deliberately targeted at undermining and destroying it.
All cultures are equal nonsense, green nonsense, identity politics nonsense, hatred of America capitalism civilization etc, are rampant and real. They need to be seen, diagnosed, challenged directly, and utterly defeated. Not compromised with and granted half ass accomodation. You regurgiated some of the nonsense such ideologues spread. I called you on it. That is all.
So now you are merely lying.
And the people as such did not deserve extermination and weren't, they were assimilated, that is why they have more descendents now than they had population then. The culture did deserve elimination and was eliminated. Its innocuous aspects - the arts, stories, folk traditions, etc - survive just fine, because they were innocuous. Cutting off the tops of enemies heads and torturing captives for personal pleasure did not survive because they didn't deserve to, and plenty of individual practitioners of such pastimes didn't, either. But the peoples did, just fine.
In other words, once again, it is all a pack of lies that you apparently swallowed uncritically in grade school, and have never taken the time to examine. Then you pretend to correct others - am I high or just stupid? - when you don't know what you are talking about, yourself.
You are arguing that "Europeans" destroyed civilizations that are morally superior because Europeans are genocidal polluting slavers. When the only justice there is in the world is due to our power and arms, slavery was only abolished by our principles and our blood. The pollution nonsense is characteristic of green agitprop nonsense. You have swallowed a boatload of utter nonsense about your own civilization, you spread it around, and moreover you pretend anyone who doesn't agree with you about every lick of it is a crazy stupid fascist. Then you have the gall to get defensive about being called on it, and apparently don't even notice what about.
So you are an enemy pure and simple. Of mankind, of modern civilization, of justice, above all of truth. When you reflect on where you came by such opinions and how flimsy their basis actually is, and the collosal injustice you yourself are guilty of toward far better men who made possible every scrap of decency you have ever known, then maybe that will change. Entirely up to you. We've seen off far worse and we will defeat your whining PC idiocies.
Is the west guilty of the destruction of any number of noble previous societies, and is this the thing that makes them look worst of all, or not?
Are you done like you said, or will you hang around for years like old luggage, trying to get the last word in for your regurgitated Stalinist agitprop?
Will you continually raise red herrings in post after post, every one of them alleging some imaginary crime by some dead white European male, or will you ever admit your original slander was unjust? And that your arguing with those who told you so is likewise unjust?
Last, will you ever so the slightest graditude to your moral superiors who have provided the most just society in the history of the world and given it to you gratis, or will you continue endlessly to vomit your filth on them and call it high mindedness?
Are you or are you not aware that there are live men running around the world today justifying the outright murder of any American on the basis that we are all little Eichmanns because of such things? And that every word of it is a lie, from start to finish?
Do you, or do you not, enjoy all of the benefits of modern justice and comfort, created by exactly the people you are castigating as supposedly immoral monsters? Are there any people in the world today still fighting for you to continue to possess those things, and is there anybody actively fighting against them, calling their power unjust, and seeking actively to overthrow it?
Are you so stupid you expect applause for attacking western civilization, and haven't noticed yet that those who think it wonderful to applaud attacking western civilization, would kill you in an instant for the imaginary crimes you are denouncing? If you think they'd stay their hand a split second because you denounce it all yourself, you are dreaming. You are just a useful idiot for them.
It isn't an academic dispute about jokes. Western civilization is under deliberate and systematic attack. Not metaphorical attack, real actually killing people attack, and not fifty years ago, this instant. And those attacks are justified, on exactly the specious history you are spouting. That is why those who got you to spout it invented the lies in the first place - to destroy western civilization.
Pick a side. Or you remain an idiot, but not an ally.
Stop right there. Do you deny that you are attacking western civilization? Because you are. If you are just quibbling about the bill of indictment, rest assured it is a matter of utter indifference, and any reckless charge will be quite sufficient to saw off your own particular head.
Western civilization is not guilty of anything in the matter of colonialism, full stop. Colonialism was not and is not a crime, full stop. Americans did not exterminate the Indians, full stop. They are still here. Yes there were sporadic wars between Americans and various Indian nations throughout the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries. Most of them started by Indians, I might add, but finished by Americans. Indians no more deserve lionizing because they started wars with us they lost, than Al Qaida does.
There are no unnecessary brutalities involved, and certainly not exclusively on the winning side. Which was in absolutely every respect the more just side. Panties on heads do not justify car bombings, and grazing right disputes do not justify scalpings or burning people alive - both not rare, but entirely normal sports of Indian warfare.
The Indians were savages. Understand? No nuance, no excuses, they were merciless savages who tortured to death anybody they feeled like killing. They no more deserved their own states than Ted Bundy, when they made war. When they made peace, they were left their reservations and free to assimilate to the wider (just!) culture. Muslims who cut off heads for recruitment videos or blow up crowds of innocents are savages. No excuses, no noble resistence, no own way of life. Deserve nothing. Any Muslim who instead wants to live at peace is free to do so.
"No matter what the cause, if you're barbaric, it comes back to haunt you."
But I wasn't. Nor were we as a nation or as a civilization. It is all lies. No Indian ever received at US cavalry hands treatment worse than he would have given said cavalryman, or innocent settler for that matter, or each other. They were waging ruthless wars of extermination against each other for centuries before they caught sight of a European.
"The American characterization as "little Eichmanns" is ridiculously used as a 'fire-starter' line to galvanize those that already hate us."
It is a direct quote from a US history professor and fake Indian who said those in the towers deserved it because of what happened to the American Indians. Direct quote. Not some foreigner, a leftist ideologue with tenure on the faculty of a state university in Colorado. Understand?
"I'm not castigating people who fought for their freedom..."
Yes, you are. You are free instead of roasting over an American Indian's open fire because the US cavalry shot the bloody bastards until they couldn't take it any more and became peaceful. And you are castigating those who did so for not being neat or tidy enough for you in the process. And men right around you, today, are doing exactly the same thing to exactly the same set of men protecting us from exactly the same sort of ruthless barbarian. Saying it is as illegitimate now as it was then.
And here you show that you intend precisely that lesson, by equating Iraq with the US in the 19th century. And you peddle utter rot about things then, the same as our enemies peddle about us now. You don't think Al Jaz has wall to wall allegations available about our massacring innocents? Lies are easy, a dime a dozen. You believe the most vicious slanders about your own ancestors on pretenses at least as thin as theirs.
There is justice in the world where US arms have carried it, and where US arms have not carried it, there is no justice to be found. You think you've learned from history? You haven't learned. If you had, you would notice that the standards you want to apply only exist inside a bubble made by the very arms you are denouncing.
That bubble is called civilization, and what is outside it is called barbarism. And fighting for civilization against barbarism is not an "unnecessary brutality", it is not a crime, it is necessary and it is noble. And none of your utterly imaginary moral superiority to those who gave you your freedom has the slightest basis in reality.
"But you go too wide with your generalization"
Oh I go to wide in my generalization? You denounce western civilization as colonialist destroyers and polluters and slavers, but that isn't a wide generalization, no siree bob. Because obviously so ungrand and ignoble a thing can be plastered with all the world's spitballs for sport. But when it comes to Lochlainnach, great lord of morality and grand poohbah of the universe, why, heaven forbid that anyone should doubt his moral superiority just because he fires off a few baseless slanders.
The west doesn't look bad, you do.
When you first literally get down on your knees and beg forgiveness from the memory of fallen cavalrymen for your reckless slander, you can start humbling advancing your own opinions again. When you thank the British from the bottom of your heart for civilizing the world, you might be heard in a historical discussion of colonialism. When you humbly give thanks for the comfort and safety you have been showered with, without desert, you can again walk into the presence of your betters without shame. Your second hand PC filth, on the other hand, soils only the one hurling it.
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