Posted on 03/07/2006 8:22:45 AM PST by Isara
..frenzy over the Katrina tapes stands in stark contrast to..disinterest of Democrats and the media in the Saddam tapes showing Iraq had WMD and Bush didn't lie.
...just before Operation Iraqi Freedom both Israeli intelligence and U.S. satellite surveillance detected large amounts of military material moving from Iraq to Syria.
...not a panicked move...it was a well-planned operation conducted with the assistance of Russia, to which Iraq was $8 billion in debt, much of it for weapons. Russia was worried about what coalition forces might find.
According to John Shaw, former deputy undersecretary for international technology security, the WMD were moved out of Iraq by Russian special forces (Spetsnaz) units. "While in Iraq," Shaw states, "I uncovered detailed information that Spetsnaz units shredded records and moved all WMD and specified advanced munitions out of Iraq to Syria and Lebanon."
Former top Romanian spy chief Ion Mihai Pacepa has written about the existence of "a standard Soviet operating procedure for deep-sixing weapons of mass destruction" in Soviet client states. The plan, which the Romanians called "Sarindar," or "emergency exit," was initially designed for Libya — a Reagan administration target — and implemented in Iraq.
According to an article by David Dastych in the Canada Free Press, the operation in Iraq was carried out by Russia's GRU (Military Intelligence), Spetsnaz (Special Troops) and Russian military and civilian logistic personnel in Iraq under the command of two veteran ex-Soviet generals — Vladislav Achalov and Igor Maltsev, operating under the guise of being civilian consultants.
Photos taken in early 2003 show Achalov and Maltsev receiving awards from Iraqi Defense Minister Sultan Hashim Akhmed in a building destroyed by U.S. cruise missiles.
What were they receiving awards for just days before coalition forces began their rush to Baghdad? Achalov reportedly said he "didn't fly to Baghdad to drink coffee."
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Wish I could recall the name of the gentleman being interviewed. He was also taking about the thousands of boxes of info we got from Baghdad right after it fell and that we haven't translated yet. And those Saddamn tapes. Not sure if the ship info was from the boxed docs or the tapes. But I got the impression that the ship info has been documented and that it's not a rumor. Why the heck the admin's kept this quiet is beyond me. Unless Ferret Face, Assad Jr., is really co-operating with us somehow. Wouldn't that be a hoot? :)
Good question.
Primakov didn't authorize the movements, the only guy who says he did was fired for among other things helping ukranians get promoted.
Primakov was in Bagdad telling Saddam that Putin felt it was time for Sadam to resign, and that Russia wouldn't do crap for him if push came to shove.
Unfortunately this disinterest also appears to extend to GOP congressmen.
Wrong again... Putin wanted Saddam to stay in power.
Wrong again tell the voices in your head to produce a link to some evidence for once.
My only guess is Wasington wants to keep good relations with Russia considering all their stockpiles of nukes that they could be convinced to sell to radical Islamists.
Russia could have done it because of cold war treaties between old USSR/KGB etc. and Saddam. Also lots of 'oil for food' money.
There has been word of this since late 03, if it's true why isn't the Bush Admin/Pentagon/CIA documenting & publicizing the movememts out of Iraq into Syria & Lebanon? As well as the current locations?
I don't get it, why not get the truth out -- if it is the truth?
Oh yeah well sourced proof:
"Russia warned the United States on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times received such information and passed it on to their American colleagues," he told reporters.
The Kremlin leader, who was speaking in the Kazakh capital, said Russian intelligence services had many times received information that Saddam's special forces were preparing terrorist attacks in the United States "and beyond its borders on American military and civilian targets."
"This information was conveyed to our American colleagues," he said. He added that Russian intelligence had no proof that Saddam agents had been involved in any particular attack."
The Chinese even gave us that sort of Information. The thing is is that there were very few Iraqi agents in the US at the time the war happened.
Well consider the source of the 'aledged truth'. A former KGB leader who Jimmy Carter invited to America, and a fired Pentagon official known for corruption.
Maybe the WMD were on some of those trucks driven out of Iraq into Syria, likely under Russian supervision.==
"Maybe" is key word here.
All this suddently "uncovers" look like the PR campaign. Some rumors, some fabricated evidences and ola la. We found those guilty. Someone else not us.
How it is borring. Yawn..
MSM again don't respect a little bit public intellect so feed us same bull again. Why people so stupid that buy this?
Wrong again... Putin wanted Saddam to stay in power.==
He wanted all right. Do you think that Sddam secular goverment is worser then today theocratic goverment of Iraq? Accually America spended 300 blns of dollar for handed power to the shiite theocrates. Tomorrow there will be new islamic republic like in Iran. What will you say then?
Why you don't use your brains and check everything they say to you on media?
I thought you would be interested in this. I find it interesting that it is trying to be debunked so quickly! Because I've done a massive amount of research into this and find arrows pointing many different directions, but all back to Russia. Go fig.
russia and putin DID help to move saddam's wmds.
as you can tell, the same old crowd gets on every thread and denounce those who tell the truth about putin. pay no attention to them.
putin is america's enemy.
lol gary...same old post over and over. last week i asked you your thoughts on this and you replied with nothing.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1586454/posts
the same claim i've been pushing for a long while now (which you tried so hard to discredit) is now coming to the surface...which is russia helped saddam move WMDs.
it's interesting as to why a "patriotic american" such as yourself would get so upset over the criticism of a thug like putin who arms venezuela, iran, iraq etc? putins actions have led to the deaths of american soldiers.
Not to mention Shaw's the guy who reportedly threatened to create "Iran-Contra II" if he lost his job after he got caught helping his friends get contracts in Iraq.
If we assume for arguments sake that the Russians assisted the removal of WMD from Saddam's Iraq, one must wonder why Saddam gave control of these WMD back to Russia ? These were the only tools that had a chance at preserving the Babylonian King's reign. His two sons eventually chose to fight to the death, why would not Saddam ? One must conclude that in the situation that Saddam was faced, he would have never given control of his WMD back to Russia. Especially a Russia that had been previously kicked out of Afghanistan and many other former republics. The only logical situation that makes sense is that the WMD were always under control of the Russians. Or that the Russians had seized control at some point. Perhaps this may explain the silence. The real question is would the King of Babylon ever agree to move his greatest defensive weapon out of Babylon ?
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