Posted on 03/11/2006 5:53:38 PM PST by strategofr
PART IV, Petr Cibulka Interview, Spring 2005 Translated by Jan Malina Edited by J.R. Nyquist
Q: According to reports published in the American press, Russian spetsnaz moved Saddam's weapons of mass destruction to Syria just before the American invasion. What do you make of these reports?
Cibulka: These reports show that Russia cannot be trusted. The number of irrefutable proofs is large and increasing. I would like to know how much longer President Bush's administration is willing to pretend that KGB Lieutenant Colonel Putin is America's friend and that Russia is America's strategic partner.
I'm certain that Russia is using this [false friendship] for strengthening, training and arming surrogate terrorist organizations so they can attack the United States. As I have said before, whoever succeeds in stopping the Russian GRU and KGB will solve the problem of global terrorism.
Q: Has there been anything published about these important developments in the Czech Republic?
Cibulka: We live under an information monopoly in the Czech Republic, and it is very easy to block all information that would endanger the final objectives of the Russian power structures. These objectives include the destabilization and destruction of the United States of America and the renewal of Russia as an imperial superpower with a totalitarian centralized government. Not one word has been published about this in the Czech mainstream press.
Q: When we talk about Russian military strategy, is it possible to speculate that Russian WMDs will be used against America by terrorists or rogue states?
Cibulka: As I have stated before, Russia is determined to fight America through surrogates. On the one hand, Russia is trying to provoke a split between America and Europe. On the other hand, Russia is trying to strengthen the most fanatical anti-American regimes in the world by supplying them with weapons of mass destruction. In the case of Iraq, Russia's moves were unsuccessful; and I'm convinced that the same strategy is being used with regard to Syria, Iran, South Africa, North Korea, Libya and even Cuba. When we look at these states and imagine their armament at the level of North Korea, that is to say with nuclear missiles, we can see that these countries are spread around the globe and cover nearly every corner of our planet. Russia doesn't have to start a nuclear attack from her territory to destroy the Western powers. On the contrary, Russia could claim neutrality during such a conflict. The destruction of the West would be accomplished by Russia's allies. I believe that this is part of the real Russian strategy. The words of Vladimir Putin about Russia's friendship and strategic cooperation don't have any value in the light of Russia's real political objectives.
Q: According to my sources the former Czechoslovak General Jan Sejna, the highest level defector from the communist bloc, testified that the communist espionage services had high level moles inside the FBI during the reign of J. Edgar Hoover. My sources further suggest that these agents had compromising data on Hoover and could destroy him instantly at any time if they chose to do so. Hoover was also the man who accepted the testimony of a defector that ran contrary to a proven and reliable defector from the KGB named Anatoliy Golitsyn. What do you make of this struggle within U.S. intelligence?
Cibulka: I think the communists manipulate what happens inside of these services. Additionally, it seems that the special services are creating another center of power inside certain Western countries. This appears in the fact that it's possible for them to have exclusive information on political representatives. Whoever has the information and the money will have the political power -- directly or indirectly. From my long term observation of the Western services, I've come to the conclusion that officials of these services don't count communist spies among their enemies. Instead, they see them as partners who are suitable for mutually beneficial worldwide cooperation. This trend leads us toward a situation in which we cannot tell where capitalism ends and communism begins.
Q: Are you familiar with the terms "distributionsm" and "communitarianism"? I've heard that these involve a political program of wealth redistribution similar to communism.
Cibulka: Yes, these are communist ideas. Originally, they were used thousands of years ago in India and about 1,500 years ago in the religious centers of Christian Europe. Monks used communism in monasteries in order to satisfy all their material needs with united effort, so they could devote more time to spiritual pursuits.
Given the spiritual decline of recent times, due in part to the overturning of the fundamental values of good and evil, truth and falsehood, many good ideas have fallen into misuse. Today the communist and leftist forces of the world claim a monopoly over collectivist values. They have taken over these values, turned them upside down and emptied them completely.
The ideas of distributionism and communitarianism are not used to satisfy material needs for a spiritual purpose, but exactly the opposite. It is all about the maximal satisfaction of bodily desires under a system directed by a strong hand. Any deviation from the materialist standard is punished severely. This is the tendency of all materialists and collectivists today. They bring about a uniform society that is easy to rule. Every man is directed to be like every other, to have the same values and goals. Under such a system the individual is a blind object of centralized manipulation through information and material stimulus. The opposite of this system would be a direct democracy that does not deny the highest spiritual and moral principles.
Q: On 4/4/97 a Russian merchant marine vessel, Kapitan Man, attacked a Canadian Naval helicopter that was trying to take photographs of the Russian ship as it monitored a U.S. Ohio Class ballistic missile submarine. The Russians used a special laser weapon that permanently damaged both the pilot's and photographer's eyes. The Clinton administration covered up the incident and swept it under the rug. What is your opinion of such incidents?
Cibulka: Such Russian maneuvers have nothing to do with legitimate defense. Rather than having a defensive character, such actions are calculated to negate America's defenses. If we were to acknowledge Russia's right to defend herself without any kind of limitations, then we would have to give Russia the right to install a GRU military intelligence residency inside the White House and the Pentagon. Russian audacity would say that this constitutes "legitimate defense." It is important to keep in mind J.J. Rousseau's rule: "One's freedom ends where another's begins." If America gives up a defensible position under "fair and equal rules," she cannot remain free for long. America must restore the balance of power while maintaining a vigilant attitude.
Q: After the "collapse" of communism Russia let many Jews immigrate to Israel. Has this situation been used to advance Moscow's strategic goals?
Cibulka: First, it must be explained that tens of thousands of Russian Jews, interspersed with pretended Jews, left the USSR for Israel and America during the Brezhnev era. In this way the KGB and GRU not only managed to export thousands of agents of influence but also tens of thousands of criminals whose Jewish ethnicity was often a fabricated. This has been the cornerstone of Soviet state organized crime which has flourished to the present time, increasing its influence since 1990. This situation is best described in Robert Friedman's book, Red Mafia.
Q: It has been reported in the Washington Times that Russian intelligence is aggressively targeting U.S. citizens [military and civilian] for recruitment as spies. Is there anything you can say about this matter?
Cibulka: I know that the Communist International issued an order to its cadres during the 1920s. It was an order of the utmost importance -- to infiltrate the intelligence services, armed forces, police, state administration and key financial sectors of their respective countries. I do not doubt for a moment that this order was fulfilled in all countries. Since the communists began to follow this order in the 1920s, I suspect that they have long since gained access to the highest levels of American society. The Communist International and the countries of the Soviet Bloc never abandoned this infiltration strategy. In fact, this strategy is discernable and documented in the policies of Bill Clinton, Al Gore and all the way back to Jimmy Carter. It is therefore naive to think that Russia and China are just beginning to recruit new agents today. Infiltration and subversion are the most important communist strategies, and they have never stopped.
Because America's counterespionage services refuse to employ proven KGB and GRU methods, America has no chance to counter foreign infiltration. Many agents of influence have been able to work their way up the ladder of American politics so that any effort on the part of U.S. counterintelligence has been paralyzed by these people from the beginning. It is pure nonsense to think that the communists are only interested in American technology. Communism wants to conquer the world.
Q: Can you define the main strategic mission of all communist and post-communist espionage services?
Cibulka: It is the breakdown of Western Civilization by removing its spiritual and moral pillars and replacing them with materialism and socialism.
Q: How do you see the world situation developing in light of Moscow's strategy?
Cibulka: Since their most important objective is to cause a total breakdown of Western Civilization, its moral and spiritual values and also its economic, political and power structures, it is necessary to fundamentally weaken the middle class and limit the bourgeoisie's political role. This strategy has apparently met with success.
If the West is unable to protect its middle class, it will end up like the old Roman Empire and fall before the attacks of Eastern Barbarians. This fate may yet be avoided if freedom is strengthened in the economic sphere, and also in politics, and by adhering to the highest spiritual and moral principles of Western Civilization. Without this everything will be lost.
Biographical background
Petr Cibulka was born in 1950 in the city of Brno, in the province of Moravia. As a five-time political prisoner, Mr. Cibulka did hard time in the toughest communist prison camp in Czechoslovakia. He was repeatedly jailed between 1979 and 1989 and conducted a 31-day hunger strike in 1979.
In 1991 Mr. Cibulka began publishing his paper, Uncensored News, opposing the "official" informational blockade organized by the communists through their "soft" control of the mass media. In 1992 Mr. Cibulka acquired and published data from secret police files, including the names of over 200,000 communist spies and collaborators. Subsequently he became a target of aggressive attacks from "former" communist officials.
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I'm afraid that Putin's behavior over the past year has been an open admission that he is our enemy.
It's always hard to tell with this kind of thing how much is paranoia and how much is truth, because no one is going to officially admit anything. But what Cibulka says is unfortunately plausible.
If the Soviet Union had agents in the FBI and the CIA, then why would Russia remove or disband them now? They would always be useful. And there appear to be hordes of other leftists in the CIA as well, some possibly agents, some useful idiots, some fellow travelers.
"If the Soviet Union had agents in the FBI and the CIA, then why would Russia remove or disband them now? They would always be useful. And there appear to be hordes of other leftists in the CIA as well, some possibly agents, some useful idiots, some fellow travelers."
I completely agree. And according to KGB defector (1961) Golitsyn---who won the complete confidence of James Angleton, head of counterintelligence for the CIA---there is no doubt of the Russian penetration of our CIA. He & Angleton confirmed extensive penetration of the Russian section of the CIA in the late 60s. Unfortunately, before they could isolate any individuals, Golitsyn was discredited---and not too long after that Angleton was discredited.
I recently read that one of the main reasons---possibly the main reason---that Golitsyn was discredited was because he opposed Nixon's China policy. Golitsyn was a high-ranking KGB member before he defected. He tells about meetings in Moscow held in 1957 through 1960 to reconcile the International Communist movement. According to Golitsyn, this movement was devastated by Stalin, who insisted on complete control over all communist organizations, including foreign governments.
By 1957, having completed the Prez stolen transition in the Soviet Union, representatives from communist organizations all over the world---both governments and nongovernment groups---were invited to a series of conferences in Moscow.
There, the Soviets restored the Communist movement by instituting a principal of local economy (Golitsyn does not detail exactly how this would've varied for different communist groups. Clearly, China's complete independence from the Soviet Union would have been acknowledged. This obviously would not have happened with Eastern Europe---but even there, Golitsyn makes clear, that some degree of local autonomy was granted.
At any rate, having patched up the dispute between the Soviet Union and China, they decided to continue the dispute on a fake level, according to Golitsyn (who remember, was actually there---and even helped to develop this strategy himself.) According to Golitsyn, Nixon's idea of playing China off against Russia completely fell into the trap that had been set for him in this regard. This, Nixon did not want to hear.
Considering how the media and popular opinion was effected during the Vietnam war by the communist founded SDA, students for a democratic society, and their antiwar tactics, we can see why we are so ineffectual now when dealing with antoher real enemy, Islamic Jihad.
They have hit us on all levels. It appears very obvious that they are inciting Islamic fundimentalist nations against us and we are sucked right in with realy not many options. It started a long time ago and their plan appears to be working.
"They have hit us on all levels. It appears very obvious that they are inciting Islamic fundimentalist nations against us and we are sucked right in with realy not many options. It started a long time ago and their plan appears to be working."
It's nice to see a rare person who agrees with me. Unfortunately, most conservative Republicans, while getting much of it right, still seem to think the development of the Left inside the United States is some kind of random or culturally induced process that happens---by sheer chance---to coincide with Russian objectives in every instance.
Well, for one I have an old friend who revealed to me that he was involved in counter espionage way back when. Apparently he was close to becoming a counter spy, recruited by the Soviets. There plan way back then was very detailed and spoke of infiltrating all levels of American culture to weaken us. It appear true that they have been succesful, academicly, spiritualy, politicaly and on many other levels. So this appears to me to be the reason why we are inable to have a clear resolve as to who the enemy is and what to do about it. They have used our own weapons against us.
"Well, for one I have an old friend who revealed to me that he was involved in counter espionage way back when. Apparently he was close to becoming a counter spy, recruited by the Soviets. There plan way back then was very detailed and spoke of infiltrating all levels of American culture to weaken us. It appear true that they have been succesful, academicly, spiritualy, politicaly and on many other levels. So this appears to me to be the reason why we are inable to have a clear resolve as to who the enemy is and what to do about it. They have used our own weapons against us."
You are correct. Hopefully, the wall the Russians have built within our society to prevent us from achieving self-knowledge will nonetheless be breached. A few days ago, I heard Jim Quinn, local radio guy, talking about how the KGB helped set up the Progressive Caucus inside our own US Congress and Senate. The Progressive Caucus originated FISA, the court that oversees our antiterrorism efforts.
Hearing Jim Quinn talk about this was very hopeful to me. Although he is an intelligent person and a conservative Republican, he generally goes on endlessly about cultural Marxism, psychological disorders of Leftists, and similar subjects.
Hearing your response also helps. I hope and trust that you and your friend are well and reasonably secure.
One of the things I have been talking about on the Free Republic is the need for conservatives to start forming localized committees of intelligence and self-defense. Freepers talk a lot about their guns---I have no problem with that---but there is another side to security that also needs to be addressed.
I'm not suggesting that I want people to tell me all their business this in this regard; it is just something I want to increase awareness of.
One of the problems is the fact that we have had it very good and that we have an independent spirit in this country, a society that would be hard to lead. When I think of my security I think of it in the long run, guns are only temporary, they are not a permanent solution. The hope I see for this country are for those who will listen and that would be not to support any activity or life style that has brought us into this situation. I am a Christian and I have to admit we as a nation are a big part of our problem. The trap has been set long ago and we have blindly stumbled into it. The present Islamic terror situation sponsered and aided by the communists seems to be ready to snap and further deteriorate us, not to mention the world backlash that would occur if we are forced to use nukes some how. I speak of a large attack on our soil in conjunction with what is happening in the ME.
I have to say that I did have a spiritual glimps of the destruction of the US about 20 years ago. So forgive me if what I say seems fatalistic. I do think it would be wise to orginize and have a plan, but thinking we can dodge the bullit without a serious change in our relationship to our maker won't protect us for the crushing blow that will eventualy arrive. I do believe there is a safe harbor but it can only be found by making sure of ones relationship with the only one that can protect us.
You can boast about all the weaponry you want but you must realize we are only dust in God's eyes, he knows how to humble the proud. I hope our country will do the right thing but it seems to me the stick of hardship is the only way to turn this ship around.
No way. I'm sure Russia's support for the Iranian nuclear weapons program, sale of advanced fighters to Venezuela, and seizure of control over energy products sold by Russians into the EU is enough to prove to anyone that Putin has only peaceful intentions. /sarc
This is the list from that link from 1963, they have been very succesful. I wish I could figure out how to make cetain ones on the list bold.
CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
To make something appear in bold print you do this...
< b > 25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. < /b >
but do not leave the spaces between that insides the < >
It will appear thusly...
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
These might help as well. Welcome to FreeRepublic, btw.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3aa5843c228c.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1569737/posts
I am bowled over by your reference. I have posted it as an FR article. It is an amazing document. I will try to e-mail it to Jim Quinn. Thanks very much.
sent it to Quinn.
sent to Hannity.
BTW, I notice that you have been here over a year, just a few days "newer" than myself. Somehow at 1 AM I read your sign up date as '06. Sorry about that. Did the html Sandbox help? I learned a lot from it.
"BTW, I notice that you have been here over a year, just a few days "newer" than myself. Somehow at 1 AM I read your sign up date as '06. Sorry about that. Did the html Sandbox help? I learned a lot from it."
I have yet to address it. I am incredibly lazy about learning that kind of thing.
"LOL! I am glad you were able to get something out of it. Usually when I reference it I am ignored or shunned."
Responses I know well. The thing we have to keep reminding ourselves out is: these responses have been programmed-in by the Russians themselves!
The fact is, Russia has become the greatest subversive country in the history of the world. You know, the Russians subverted the Polish government for centuries. A woman from Poland told me that that ridiculous law in the Polish parliament (like one person could veto a law) was actually something put in by the Russians, somehow.
So, the Russians came into communism with this talent for subversion. Russia was famous among your European countries for its secrecy and its secret police---before communism! consider how the Russian nobles maintained power---by turning the czar into an alcoholic when he was still a child---something they did repeatedly!
Obviously, communism helps develop these capabilities in any country. But in Russia, the talent for subversion has simply blossomed beyond anything else in history.
When they first worked at subverting the United States, in the 30s, 40s, and 50s, they were detected in many instances. But they learned from their mistakes. Of course, the crowning glory was the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991 or so. Golitsyn views this as a fake event. I think he overstates it. There are some real things about the breakup, but many fake things as well. The fakest of fake things is the idea that the Russians gave up their control over international communism.
The key thing is: remaining undiscovered is the first objective---above all others. To achieve this, they have given up a considerable amount of control to local operatives.
Tight control would inevitably be discovered---especially in the current environment of anti-terrorism suspicions. (Remember, tight control requires a lot of signals.) The Russians are always willing to let some part of the American Left run off the rails---even conflict with another part of the Left, if they have to. Anything is better than precipitate action. That is what would lead to detection.
The slow accretion of force is better than the rapid move for control.
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