Creationist draws large crowd

York Daily Record (York, PA) ^ | 18 March 2006 | TERESA MCMINN

[Greg o the Navy]

Mar 18, 2006 — In a back row of a packed auditorium, seventh-grader Matt Frysinger and his two friends each sat with a skateboard positioned vertically between their knees and the floor. The boys had been skating in the area when they saw a sign promoting a "Creation Seminar" outside Dover Area High School.

[dread78645]

I am 39% Asshole/Bitch.
Part Time Asshole/Bitch.
You may think you are an asshole or a bitch, but the truth is you are a good person at heart. Yeah sure, you can have a mean streak in you, but most of the people you meet like you.

[Clemenza]

Creationist draws large crowd

So do UFO Conventions and car accidents.

[WestVirginiaRebel]

"There's not much intelligent life on this planet."

Certainly there's not much intelligent life at a creationist seminar.

"He knows what he's talking about. You can hear it in his voice."

A good con artist knows how to talk to his audience.

[WestVirginiaRebel]

"There's not much intelligent life on this planet."

Certainly there's not much intelligent life at a creationist seminar.

"He knows what he's talking about. You can hear it in his voice."

A good con artist knows how to talk to his audience.

[jennyp]

THANK YOU. You're the first creationist to answer my poll. I'll try to keep you informed once I get a representative sample built up.

[jennyp]

Your entire collection of skulls is smoke and mirrors, and the bottom line is this: For the (probably small percentage of) authentic/accurately depicted skulls in that collection, each of them is either ape/monkey/whatever, or it's human. Anything else is purest conjecture based not on scientific evidence, but on a starting point that assumes Darwinistic evolution as a baseline, not a finding.

Yes, yes, yes. (she said impatiently.) But which ones are the apes, and which ones are the humans?

Editor-surveyor is confident he knows. You sound confident, but confident of what?

Which ones are which?

[jennyp]

The bottom line is this, knowledge is readily available and people are not so gullible as to believe in evolution. There are still a few out there that possess common sense and critical thinking skills and rightfully questioning the flawed hypothesis of evolutionists. This outrages evolutionists. They've become little gods. People are not finding their hypothesis to reveal truth.

Your words are wise and persuasive. Now please tell us: Which of the fossil skulls in post 20 are just old members of the ape kind and which ones are just members of the human kind?

[dread78645]

But which ones are the apes, and which ones are the humans?

Tricky ...
They're all apes.

[jennyp]

Tricky ...
They're all apes.

Mmmm, I don't know about that. This Tree of Life page says we're all primates, and all hominidae, but it says the hominidae are "Humans, great apes, and their extinct relatives".

[Havoc]

Probably less than Evo-nutbags get in grants, etc from the government. I suppose he's dirty because the public pays him instead of the state... lol

[dread78645]

Mmmm, I don't know about that. This Tree of Life page says we're all primates, and all hominidae, but it says the hominidae are "Humans, great apes, and their extinct relatives".

Apes are the members of the Hominoidea superfamily of primates. A subset of that, the Hominidae family, is known as the Great Apes.
Our evolutionary uncles are the gorilla & orangutan. Both undoubtedly apes, as is our cousins, the chimpanzee & bonobo.
The defining diagnostics that is common to all four apes are shared by humans.

You Are an Ape

[sirchtruth]

Just like an evo to deceive and fool themselves into
thinking their on the "right track" by turning some
useless observations into factual conclusions.

[ahayes]

Oh, that is great! Is that picture yours? If so, may I download it?

[Oztrich Boy]

For the (probably small percentage of) authentic/accurately depicted skulls in that collection, each of them is either ape/monkey/whatever, or it's human

Creationists keep saying that, but never have the courage to sort them into the two categories.

[ahayes]

It has never been shown ANYWHERE where usefull DNA is GAINED and results in an improvement.

Actually YES it HAS.

1. Polyploidy

2. Transpecific gene theft

3. Gene copying and mutation

4. Transposons increase the amount of DNA and can cause the origin of new open reading frames (ORF) which can be selected upon to eventually produce an effective new gene product

One interesting example I read about that is typical of gene theft used a gene from an Archaebacterium and transplanted it into E. coli. When the bacteria were cultured in the presence of a penicillin class drug, the mutations in the Archae gene eventually hit upon a sequence producing a protein that had some beta-lactamase activity. With further culturing under selective pressure the enzyme became even more effective. The final product was E. coli with a new gene coding an effective beta-lactamase.

[ahayes]

I'd be careful about endorsing him too highly. AIG lists many of his arguments on the "do not use" list.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp

[ahayes]

He may articulate some creationist arguments, but he also articulates a lot of arguments creationists should not use, that's the problem.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

Placemarker

[Coyoteman]

Because there ARE NO PROVEN TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS that show an ape-to-man transition. None. It was the huge glaring hole in Darwinism according to Darwin, and it's the huge glaring hole today. A tiny skull or jawbone fragment is found somewhere and then "extrapolated..."

First, you know science does not "prove" anything, but we can bring a lot of evidence to the argument.

You say there are no transitionals? Wrong! Here is a transitional. This individual (note, it is more than "a tiny skull or jawbone fragment")" is a clear transitional as shown by the chart which follows (look about the middle).

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Fossil: KNM-ER 3733 Site: Koobi Fora (Upper KBS tuff, area 104), Lake Turkana, Kenya (4, 1)

Discovered By: B. Ngeneo, 1975 (1)

Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.75 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal, paleomagnetic & radiometric data (1, 4)

Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7), Homo erectus ergaster (25)

Gender: Female (species presumed to be sexually dimorphic) (1, 8)

Cranial Capacity: 850 cc (1, 3, 4)

Information: Tools found in same layer (8, 9). Found with KNM-ER 406- A. boisei (effectively eliminating single species hypothesis) (1)

Interpretation: Adult (based on cranial sutures, molar eruption and dental wear) (1)

See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=33

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Source: http://wwwrses.anu.edu.au/environment/eePages/eeDating/HumanEvol_info.html