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Group: Geico Insurance Rates 'Very Unfair'
reuters ^ | 3/20/06

Posted on 03/20/2006 5:25:49 PM PST by mathprof

A leading U.S. consumer group Monday accused Geico Corp. of using consumers' education backgrounds and occupations as criteria in setting auto insurance rates, resulting in discrimination against minorities and lower-income people.

The Consumer Federation of America (CFA) charged that the No. 4 U.S. auto insurer, has adopted rating methods and underwriting guidelines in 44 states that directly tie rates to education and occupation.

Geico, a unit of Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (BRK), the insurance and investment company controlled by billionaire Warren Buffett, rejected the charges. It called them "an offensive attempt to link fundamentally fair and actuarially sound industry practices with invidious discrimination."

The insurer provides auto insurance to more than 6 million policyholders, and insures more than 10 million vehicles.

Robert Hunter, the CFA's director of insurance and a former Texas insurance commissioner, called Geico's rate-setting policies an "underwriting sleight-of-hand" that can shortchange thousands of drivers.

Under Geico's guidelines, he said, a New Orleans factory worker without a high school education would pay $2,636 for insurance, 91 percent more the $1,382 that a white-collar worker with a graduate degree would pay for the same vehicle and location.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: berkshirehathaway; geico; redlining
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To: mathprof

This is how they pay for their excellent television commercials.


41 posted on 03/20/2006 5:46:19 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Bob Taft for Impeachment)
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To: holymoly

No, of course it isn't; but, demonstrably stupid people should be charged more for everything. Think of it as a penalty for what they inflict upon the rest of us.


42 posted on 03/20/2006 5:46:22 PM PST by Redcloak (<--- Not always a people person.)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

You wouldn't know it by watching their commercials.


43 posted on 03/20/2006 5:46:37 PM PST by birbear (You know what? This is crap. We're going to stop this.)
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To: Liberator

I've got Farmer's for my personal and business Workers Comp/Liablity. Great rates and when I had to file a small claim, great service. Use to have State Farm. YMMV


44 posted on 03/20/2006 5:48:40 PM PST by Wheee The People
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To: mathprof

Considering GEICO's roots, I seriously doubt there is any movement within it to discriminate against races or education levels....

it probably has more to do with the skills of the driver.


45 posted on 03/20/2006 5:48:54 PM PST by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: mathprof

I live in Hollywood and am insured with Mercury.

I have been told while shopping around, that no other area is as bad with the exception of Compton. I am under the impression that rates are determined by crime stats here in CA.

And, yes, my lovely new sportscar was stolen some years ago in front of my BF's house.


46 posted on 03/20/2006 5:48:58 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: headstamp
I'm also a plumber, living on the coast in North Carolina. I had the opposite experience with GEICO. I saved $285 by switching from GEICO to State Farm.
47 posted on 03/20/2006 5:49:27 PM PST by SunTzuWu (Hans Delbruck - Scientist and Saint.)
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To: Cyclopean Squid; birbear

I liked the caveman series but this new "colloquial Aussie" crap is making me want to have a brick through the TV. I hate them!


48 posted on 03/20/2006 5:49:34 PM PST by T Minus Four
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To: Indy Pendance

Saw a t shirt the other day: "You Can't Cure Stupid".

IF the underwriters have GENUINE actuarial evidence that drivers with more education cost less, then what can you say?

It is no different than saying that drivers with fewer speeding tickets have fewer claims (assuming it can be backed up with real numbers). When I was in HS they offered good student discounts based on the stats that showed better grades were correlated with fewer claims.

My complaint with insurance companies is that they often claim to be fact what they think to be true. Or they claim to be fact what they believe will be accepted. But my primary complaint with insurance companies is that too many of them consider contracts to be one-way streets. You pay - maybe they do and maybe they don't.


49 posted on 03/20/2006 5:49:59 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s
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To: birbear
"And what the hell is/are "pie and chips"?"

You know, its like pie, and chips.

I guess that means a moldy chocolate pie and stale dill pickle potato chips to dip in it ?

My guess would be that its a British thing, Steak and kidney pie, and their chips are like our freedom fries.
50 posted on 03/20/2006 5:53:50 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I don't know how anyone can stand living on the east (west) coast. It's just my midwest upbringing though. A nice house out here, decent, you can get for 150K, a job, making 60k is reasonable. You don't have the, I'm making 120k a year bragging rights, the traffic, the liberals, but, the value of the midwest has other perks, you can see stars, family, community and such. You might seriously consider it. It'll be a culture shock, I'm sure, but, the benefits outweigh the monitary rewards, even if you're 'just getting by' on 80k a year, that'll be more than enough for you to live good in the midwest.


51 posted on 03/20/2006 5:56:44 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: mathprof
Under Geico's guidelines, he said, a New Orleans factory worker without a high school education would pay $2,636 for insurance, 91 percent more the $1,382 that a white-collar worker with a graduate degree would pay for the same vehicle and location.

Cool!

52 posted on 03/20/2006 5:57:31 PM PST by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: Indy Pendance

the rates in mass. haven't been the same since that oldsmobile hit the water a few years back.


53 posted on 03/20/2006 5:58:02 PM PST by JohnLongIsland
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To: Indy Pendance

I didn't save any money by switching to Geico, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.


54 posted on 03/20/2006 5:58:02 PM PST by umgud (gitrdun)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Instead of getting an engineering degree, I actually considered actuary. I'm glad I chose engineering, it's more mobile a career. (IE, getting into the field for work instead of behind a desk and computers)


55 posted on 03/20/2006 5:59:06 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: mathprof
Sorry, I do not understand this

Geico sets it's own criteria for establishing
Costs of insuring various groups, as it defines them

They then set their rates to a point were their
estimated rate of return on investment is sufficient
to permit their business model to propagate

Individuals can purchase, or not, their product for
any reason they perceive to be in their self interest

Capitalism 101
56 posted on 03/20/2006 5:59:22 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: mathprof
It's called ACTUARIAL SCIENCE. Predictive models are derived by insurance companies that can determine risk based on the insured's personal data.

Tough to swallow, but that's life. Same reason 17-year old boys have car insurance rates through the roof. Same reason we provide proof of our kids' being on the high school honor roll and college Dean's lists to get discounted rates.

You cannot argue with the statistics. And let's pray that the socialists never get this method of determining insurance rates equalized among EVERYONE. Cuz you and I will pay for it!!! Big time!

57 posted on 03/20/2006 6:00:02 PM PST by PLK
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To: Wheee The People
"Great rates and when I had to file a small claim, great service. Use to have State Farm."

$3500 is a LOTTA wood.

What kinda service are YOU getting? Massages and cocktails? ;-)

58 posted on 03/20/2006 6:00:19 PM PST by Liberator
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To: Beagle8U
See, I would buy that, if the Gecko was actually Brittish...

But it's Australian. Do they have pies and chips is Australia too?
59 posted on 03/20/2006 6:02:00 PM PST by birbear (You know what? This is crap. We're going to stop this.)
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To: mathprof

Yeah,and I'm sick of that stupid lizard too.


60 posted on 03/20/2006 6:03:41 PM PST by Ditter
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