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Death raises concern at police tactics
BBC News ^ | Tuesday, 21 March 2006 | Matthew Davis

Posted on 03/21/2006 5:52:09 AM PST by Carbonsteel

The recent killing of an unarmed Virginia doctor has raised concerns about what some say is an explosion in the use of military-style police Swat teams in the United States.

Armed with assault rifles, stun grenades - even armoured personnel carriers - units once used only in highly volatile situations are increasingly being deployed on more routine police missions.

Dr Salvatore Culosi Jr had come out of his townhouse to meet an undercover policeman when he was shot through the chest by a Special Weapons and Tactics force.

It was about 2135 on a chilly January evening. The 37-year-old optometrist was unarmed, he had no history of violence and displayed no threatening behaviour.

But he had been under investigation for illegal gambling and in line with a local police policy on "organised crime" raids, the heavily armed team was there to serve a search warrant.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; lawenforcement; leo; leos; paramilitarypolice; swatteams; warondrugs; wod; wodlist
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To: FreedomPoster
Found it.


41 posted on 03/21/2006 12:29:06 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Deguello

Actually, Ronnie Cox was an Addison officer, and he was shot by Dallas tac or narcotics officers (don't remember which). I worked for DPD then. I don't think it was ever fully resolved, or ever will be. (What was Cox doing in the house, why was the entry team so quick to fire, where was the communication, etc., etc.).

A really bad situation, and it wasn't the last one, either. David Bromley was shot by fellow officers while in the back seat of a car trying to make a buy that turned into a robbery (they didn't know what seat he was sitting in), and Harold Hammons was shot by a fellow entry team member with a shotgun in a south Dallas raid.

There are very few good reasons for dynamic entry (life threatening emergencies, etc). Preserving a few ounces of narcotics as evidence is not a good reason, IMO.


42 posted on 03/21/2006 12:50:17 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: OKIEDOC
I know in the little town I came from we went for more that thirty years with just a 4 man 2 car police department. Now we have 13 cars and 42 police personnel.

It's those "100,000" new cops the Clintons gave us (many of whom are Clinton sycophants). Now that they're hired, they gotta justify their salaries.

Also, the money that didn't go to hiring went to all kinds of cool toys, courtesy of military surplus caused by defense downsizing. See how it all fits together so nicely?

43 posted on 03/21/2006 12:54:57 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: cajun-jack

....or someone wasn't getting their cut of the action


44 posted on 03/21/2006 12:57:14 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Carbonsteel
The rise of militarized forms of policing, the LA style of policing you might call it, was more the result of ethnic conflict than the war on drugs per se, they're the system's response to ethnic street gangs, which are not merely criminal but a form of social rebellion as well. Militarized police are a necessity in a multicultural society. In a properly functioning empire they both suppress and protect minorities and by doing so protect the interests of those who built the empire and prosper from it.

British police are also edging towards militarization largely in response to ethnic crime, though the number of minorities in Britain is still quite small.

45 posted on 03/21/2006 1:03:43 PM PST by jordan8
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To: vrwc0915

Ronnie Coleman, the current Mr. Universe, has been called at various times a part or full time police officer. Lou Ferrigno just joined the Sheriff's department as a reserve deputy. I don't know if Lou still juices, it looks like he occasionally might. The organizations these two belong to don't seem to take anti-steroid laws very seriously.


46 posted on 03/21/2006 1:15:07 PM PST by jordan8
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To: OKIEDOC
The county I lived in for a long time -- Montgomery County in Maryland ("Moose country"), went from having one of the most professional, community respected and supported police forces in the country -- to the PC incompetents as represented by Chief Moose of "D.C. Sniper Shame"...
Where it took an unauthorized release of suspect racial and vehicle description from the press, and an alert truck driver to finally capture the two black sniper perps....

The fall from grace and competence in Montgomery County, took less than 15 years!
The slippery slope to incompetence is steep!
The instant that demonstrated merit is not the primary condition for employment or advancement -- is the instant that incompetence commences...

All one needs to do is apply a careless mix of Multicultural, Multi-ethnic Affirmative Action and you get Turd World results...

Dress and arm these folks as "Swat Teams" and you have a recipe for disaster...

Semper Fi

47 posted on 03/21/2006 2:29:40 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Addison PD & Dallas were running a joint raid on a location. It seems that the two teams were not introduced prior to the raid.

Cox was hand cuffing one person at gunpoint (on the floor) and he got a full auto burst up the back. The number of rounds that hit him (5 if I remember) was not revealed until a year or so later.

Bromley was a bizarre case. The backup team was not paying attention to the situation and they fired into the backseat. The lady cop did good to roll out of the front seat.

48 posted on 03/21/2006 2:45:35 PM PST by Deguello (Wake me up early, be good to my dogs and teach my children to play.)
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To: Jubal Harshaw

Yes that may be it.

I remember we had something like that occur in our small town.

The local sheriff wanted a new hot DARE car so one of the deputies planted a bag of marijuana on the car of a local kid.

The cops looked sort of stupid driving around in a souped up car with DARE written on the hood.


49 posted on 03/21/2006 2:51:13 PM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: river rat

Right On.


50 posted on 03/21/2006 2:53:14 PM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: Travis McGee

cops justify hard line tactics, body armor, and automatic assault wepaons because they have been killed before in the line of duty and face such violence, yet, more innocent people are killed each year by cops than cops have been killed.

It would be insane to say that we need hard line tactics, body armor, and automatic assault weapons to defend ourselves against cops.

We seriously need to cut back on these Army Ranger wannabees and thier killing of innocent people.


51 posted on 03/21/2006 4:44:06 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Deguello

That does ring a bell now. Thanks.


52 posted on 03/21/2006 7:35:22 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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53 posted on 03/22/2006 1:08:39 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Carbonsteel
On the other hand, with gangs growing larger, stronger, and better armed, its hard not to justify it.

Gangs only get stronger when the community bans private ownship of guns.

An armed society is a polite society.

54 posted on 03/22/2006 1:33:22 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: JTN
The problem, if you take the time to read the article, is that S.W.A.T. teams are being sent to arrest, unarmed, nonmurderous criminals, often with tragic results.

Not in my city. They are used to serve high risk warrants and anything where a weapon is involved and the incident allows for waiting and planning.

55 posted on 03/22/2006 7:31:21 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Hey liberals, you be straight trippin. I get paid to get in your business.)
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To: Carbonsteel
On the other hand, with gangs growing larger, stronger, and better armed, its hard not to justify it

When has a SWAT team shot it out with a gang?
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56 posted on 03/22/2006 8:52:04 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
Not in my city. They are used to serve high risk warrants and anything where a weapon is involved and the incident allows for waiting and planning.

Then it sounds like your city is doing it right. Far too many aren't. Many small towns with little to no crime are receiving funding from higher levels of government to start S.W.A.T teams that they don't need. Once these small police forces have them, they feel the need to justify their existence, so they are sent out to deliver make arrests for low level drug offenses or, in this case, gambling. In fact, Fairfax County, Virginia conducts nearly all of its warrants with S.W.A.T. teams. (Check it out.)

The increased use of S.W.A.T. results in a greater likelihood of violence between suspects and police. See the names of some people who are no longer with us because of botched raids here.

57 posted on 03/22/2006 10:38:46 AM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: King Prout

Agree with your #39 completely.


58 posted on 03/22/2006 10:46:09 AM PST by yarddog
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To: OKIEDOC; Jubal Harshaw
Donald P. Scott

61 years old
Malibu, California
October, 1992
Government agencies were interested in the property of this reclusive millionaire. A warrant was issued based on concocted "evidence" of supposed marijuana plantings, and a major raid was conducted with a 32-man assault team. Scott was shot to death in front of his wife. No drugs were found.

A later official report found: "It is the District Attorney's opinion that the Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department was motivated, at least in part, by a desire to seize and forfeit the ranch for the government. Based in part upon the possibility of forfeiture, Spencer obtained a search warrant that was not supported by probable cause. This search warrant became Donald Scott's death warrant."
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Via Drug War Victims


59 posted on 03/22/2006 10:57:51 AM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: Carbonsteel
From the article by the BBC"

"As officers approached with their weapons drawn, tragedy struck. A handgun was accidentally discharged, fatally wounding Dr Culosi. " An acdidental discharge?

60 posted on 03/22/2006 11:57:14 AM PST by Fury
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