Posted on 03/26/2006 3:59:37 AM PST by Liz
Ever since they lost the 2004 elections, Democrats have been falling all over themselves to proclaim their personal religious faith to an electorate that obviously cares about such things. So now the party that once ridiculed politicians who cite their personal values is trying to show that it can out-Jesus the GOP.
They've been none too subtle about it - particularly New York's own Sen. Hillary Clinton. These days, she sounds more like she's running for dean of the local theological seminary than for president of the USA - er, that is, for re-election to the Senate. Hillary's latest tack is typically Clintonian: She's accused "mean-spirited" Republicans of plotting to put Jesus behind bars.
Say what?
Clinton contends that based on "my understanding of the Scripture," a GOP bill to crack down on illegal immigration by making it a felony to be in this country unlawfully "would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself."
But Rep. Peter King (R-LI), chairman, House Homeland Security Committee, rightly wonders just what she's talking about.
He says he finds it hard to believe that Jesus would risk lives by crowding hundreds of people on board a broken-down ship for a dangerous sea journey, or marching them across a desert with no food and water, or abandoning them at the border.
To be sure, this isn't the first time Hillary has uttered such nonsense in an effort to bolster her Bible Belt credentials. Last fall, she compared the plight of Hurricane Katrina refugees to Mary and Joseph searching for a place to stay in Bethlehem, adding caustically: "At least they didn't have to worry about FEMA."
Fortunately, Congress will decide such issues based on what's in the Constitution, not the Scriptures (or Pastor Hillary's interpretation of them, anyway).
Praise the Lord.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
CATHOLIC WORLD NEWS Democratic strategists issue memo on loss of Catholics
Washington, DC, Apr. 13, 2005 (Culture of Life Foundation/CWNews.com) - A memo authored by a prominent Democratic strategy organization calls the decline in support of white Catholics for Democrats "striking" and "a big part of the 2004 election story." One of the analysis' key findings is that Catholic voters are becoming more pro-life, which the authors called "a factor in the recent losses and one of the blockages for Democrats, at least in the Midwest." The data also reveals that young Catholics are more pro-life than their parents and that bishops who speak out against pro-abortion politicians help bolster the pro-life vote.
The abortion issue is particularly potent for a group called "Democratic defectors" who either identified themselves as Democrats or voted for Bill Clinton in 1996 but voted for President Bush in the last election. Among this group, "26 percent believe that abortion should be illegal in all cases, nearly three times the number for all Catholic Democrats."
The memo was issued by Democracy Corps, a research and tactical advice organization founded by Democrat strategy virtuosos James Carville, Stanley Greenberg and Bob Shrum. Titled "Reclaiming the White Catholic Vote," it is based on data from a nationwide survey of more than 1,000 white Catholic voters. The decline in the white Catholic vote has been steady over the last decade. Clinton won it by seven percentage points; Al Gore lost it by seven points; and Sen. John Kerry lost it by 14 points. The data provided in the report provides a fascinating window into the much discussed Catholic vote and makes it clear Democrats are losing ground because of their stance on a range of cultural issues.
It turns out that one of the most contentious and visible issues in the 2004 election, the denial of the Eucharist to pro-abortion politicians, did not hurt the pro-life side as many said it would. The poll found that when white Catholics were asked whether or not they were more or less likely to vote for a Democrat that "is denied Communion by the area's bishop for voting to support abortion rights" 49 percent said they were less likely while 33 percent said they were more likely.
The memo also made it clear that the abortion issue is not going away. "Although the pro-life position is strongest among seniors, Catholics' current pro-life position does not appear likely to lessen with time. While middle-age Catholics lean toward keeping abortion legal, voters under 30 are more pro-life: 53 percent believe abortion should be illegal in most cases." The pro-life position could be a winning one for Democrats according to the study. Fifty-nine percent of white Catholics say they are more likely to support a Democratic candidate who is pro-life and 35 percent say they are less likely, giving a pro-life Democrat a 24 point advantage. Even on the East Coast where Catholics are less pro-life, a pro-life Democrat has a 12 point advantage over a pro-abortion candidate.
The memo advises Democrat candidates to get around the issue by presenting themselves as one who "[b]elieves in a woman's right to choose but believes all sides should come together around the common goal of preventing and reducing the number of abortions, with more sex ed, including abstinence, access to contraception and more adoption." This common ground approach is reminiscent of a recent speech given by New York Senator and likely presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton, in which she softened her approach to abortion by calling it a "tragic choice." In the speech she said faith-based abstinence should be embraced but also called on increased funding for "family planning services," a euphemism for contraception, abortifacients, and abortions.
SOURCE http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=36492
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Any candidate (or incumbent) who voted in favor of, or who espouses, anti-prayer, anti-life, pro-gay, and pro-sex-ed positions evidences a hatred toward believers. These candidates should be advised that they cannot be seriously considered for public office at any level of our government.
Politicians will soon get the message that Christians mean business.
As the disintegration of Western civilization continues, it becomes clearer that straying from our birthright, and the Founders' Christian-based principles, endangers our freedoms, and our government, and is forcing us to relive the savagery of the past, away from the distinctly American values the Founders envisioned. Christians must act precipitously.
The restoration of American culture is in the hands of Christians. Christmas, a singular event that recognizes the birth of Jesus, the Christ Child, is celebrated by as many as 96% of Americans, most of whom are churchgoing, patriotic Americans, with strong religious faith that happily co-exists with love of their country.
Hope we can find some of the former WH staff who can testify first-hand how Hillsy used her scripture orientation in her treatment of them!
Hitlery is a chameleon, even more shifty than her husband.
Thanks NYPost for an excellent smackdown of Her Thighness.
Has anyone ever seen a picture or heard a rumor of either of the Clintoons going to church other than at a political funeral or going into a black church to beat the political drum?
They sure dont go to praise God, if they show up its for political not religious reasons.
The Bible and Christianity are just props for Hillary to use as she will do or say anything to get elected. The only real question is how many Christians will believe it and vote for her?
Nails it.
Didn't Gore try this in 2000?
Things are not going to change the Catholic Church's stand on abortion. As long as the Democratic Party continues the path of pro-choice, they will lose Catholic votes.
Remember when Bubba was President he made sure that every Sunday the press got a shot of him and she who must not be named leaving church while he was holding a bible. He always saw church as photo op.
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Figures don't lie, BillyBoy, and you are left out in the cold, that's why you're felling blue (snicker). Even your spouse Hillary is slithering to the right. Here's why:

Conservative pro-life Christian voters made monumental contributions to GWB's 2004 vote totals. Pres Bush won with 63 Million Votes (13 million more than 2000).
The map, though impressive, conveys the misleading impression that blue state Catholics voted for Kerry (a CINO).
According to EWTN "The World Over Live" analysts, with the exception of VA, where Catholics spit 70/30 in favor of Bush, the majority of Catholic voters split 55/45 for Bush.....a whopping number of votes since Catholics number about 52 million Americans.
According to CNN exit polls, Bush voters included 38% of union members, 40% of those with union members in their households, 42% of those earning $15,000-$30,000, 44% of those who earn under $50,000 and 44% of Latinos, 45% of youth (aged 18-29), 13% of liberalseven 11% of Democrats voted for Bush. 2004 Election polls indicated 34% called themselves conservative, 21% liberal.
These trends represent a major shift over the past forty-five years. White Evangelicals in 1960 favored Democrats by a two-to-one margin; now they are Republican by a 56 27 percent margin. Seventy-eight percent of them voted for President Bush in 2004. In 1960, 71 percent of Catholics were Democrats and now Democrats have only a slight edge among Catholics (44 41 percent) and Catholics voted for President Bush (52 47 percent) in 2004. These trends have also brought an increased acceptance of religion in the public square.
If you look closely, the map appears to place the insignificant "Other Voters" in the ocean.....that's accurate, because "Other Voters--RINO Republicans" were on cruise ships.
(MAP UPDATE Bush won Ohio, Iowa and New Mexico later.)
Remember people, the devil himself used Scripture when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness. The problem is he misinterpreted the Word.
I think her message is not in context with the Bible. Anyone can use part of a verse in the Bible and have the meaning be totally different than the actual verse.
Catholics used to be a solid Dem voting bloc.
I agree that Sen Clinton is using the bible as a prop. She will have to answer to a higher power on that one.
With regard to how many Christians will vote for her.....see my tagline.
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The Gypsy (read: Travelers) community of which the Clintons are blood members is not avowedly Christian. Their theology is cultic and animist, more attuned to witchcraft than a belief in divine goodness.
Look to the beliefs of Hitler and Stalin to gain an appreciation of Clinton theology.
WHY THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT MUST MOBILIZE AGAINST HILLARY:
CLINTON CONFLATES EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS AND ISLAMO-FASCIST TERRORISTS
AFTERWORD: A note to the Religious Right
catch this??

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LIEberman's biggest scam was getting into the Senate on the backs of the unborn. This craven individual, Lieberman, ruthlessly used the unborn to get into office. As a 1988 Senate candidate, Lieberman made many, many pro-life pledges to Connecticut Catholic leaders as Atty General running for pro-abort Sen Weicker's seat. Based on a Lieberman poll indicating pro-life votes were there for the taking, Lieberman courted Catholics, and made pro-life promises that he had no intention of keeping. Lieberman got into the Senate----with pro-life votes. Once in office, Lieberman turned tail and became an unwavering abortion rights supporter, voting consistently pro-abortion, and even voting to uphold partial-birth abortion on six separate occasions. The Ntl Right to Life Committee has meeting notes of candidate Lieberman's calculated, phony pro-life pledges.
Connecticutians should remember Lieberman is up for reelection......they should not repeat their mistake and re-vote this charlatan into office.
Thanks!
"And the Devil can quote Scripture to Her purpose..."
It's crucial to note that candidate GWB made a determined effort to court Catholic votes----and was very successful, much to the Dims dismay.
I remember how the MSM fawned over Gore picking him claiming how politically savy the move was. Now Liebermann is persona non grata among the libs.
Voters realized carrying a bible or faking a tear does not make one a Christian. As for false witness, both Clinton's need to do better in self-evaluation since they both lie without having a conscience.
Ff--150 pointed out in 2002 that the dims would become the party of born-agains with rhetoric.
This is going to work about as effectively as AlGore trying the same thing a few years back. Christians aren't stupid, despite the bigoted stereotypes of the commies.
Oh, please this is so bogus. Lieberman has done more for liberalism than anyone you might mention. LIEBerman cultivates an image and utters words for public purposes but look at his actions---that's where it counts.
EXHIBIT ONE: LIEberman's biggest scam was getting into the Senate on the backs of the unborn. This craven individual, Lieberman, ruthlessly used the unborn to get into office. As a 1988 Senate candidate, Lieberman made many, many pro-life pledges to Connecticut Catholic leaders as Atty General running for pro-abort Sen Weicker's seat. Based on a Lieberman poll indicating pro-life votes were there for the taking, Lieberman courted Catholics, and made pro-life promises that he had no intention of keeping. Lieberman got into the Senate----with pro-life votes. Once in office, Lieberman turned tail and became an unwavering abortion rights supporter, voting consistently pro-abortion, and even voting to uphold partial-birth abortion on six separate occasions. The Ntl Right to Life Committee has meeting notes of candidate Lieberman's calculated, phony pro-life pledges.
EXHIBIT TWO: Lieberman and ex-Reagan Edu Secy Bill Bennett would give out "Silver Sewer Awards" to express opposition to Hollywood's salacious, sexually explicit and violent music, TV and movie output. Then when Lieberman became Gore's running mate, he went to Hollywood on bended knee, in obeisance to the moguls, promising to strengthen Hollywood's ultra-liberal control over America, in exchange for votes and campaign financing.
EXHIBIT THREE: Lieberman's a dedicated gun-grabber - as his voting record clearly shows.
EXHIBIT FOUR: Lieberman famously went on and on during impeachment hearings about Bill Clinton's sexual conduct, but refused to cast his vote against Clinton when it counted.
EXHIBIT FIVE: Lawmakers With Relatives on Payroll By The Associated Press Wednesday, April 13, 2005 ----Connecticut Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman: Son Matthew received about $34,000 and daughter Rebecca about $36,000 for working on the senator's 2004 presidential campaign.
EXHIBIT SIX: LIEberman cultivates a pro-military image with nice words and gestures, yet, he was so "supportive" of the US military that he was willing to become vice-president by NOT counting Florida's military vote. The man is not fit to have anything to do with the US military.
I have asked several fellow Catholics (democrats) how they reconcile their political affiliation with a party that is pro-abortion. I have never gotten an answer that wasn't a dodge.
Marriage vows come to mind as well......
True but you won't find anyone on DU saying anything even remotely positive about him.
And it's nice to observe the Dims fumbling (Go Pats).
What seems a little odd about that map is the two heaviest blue areas, the west coast and the northeast, are very heavily Catholic.
2008 should be fun for both of them. They can both go out campaigning and rarely be with each other.
Americans who regularly attend worship services and hold traditional Christian religious views increasingly vote Republican, while those who are less connected to religious institutions and more secular in their outlook tend to vote Democratic, according to a major study by the Pew Forum.
Some of the conclusions of this report were already evident in 2004 exit polling data. For example, voters who attend church more than once a week (16 percent of all voters) chose Bush over Kerry by a margin of 64 35 percent.
Likewise, those who attend Christian denominational Churches on a weekly basis (26 percent of voters) supported the President by a 58 41 percent margin. Also very telling, those who never attend Church (15 percent of voters) overwhelmingly supported Kerry 62 36 percent.
The study further found that traditionalist elements within each religion tended to vote Republican, while modernist groups within the religions trended towards the Democrats. A multiple regression analysis of exit poll and public opinion survey data from 2000 and 2004 enabled the Pew Research Center to assign a relative weight to various demographic markers.
Interestingly, church attendance was tied with race as the most significant factor. But even that number is deceiving; in that race is only an important factor due to the high level of support the Democrats receive from black voters.
These trends represent a major shift over the past forty-five years. White Christian Evangelicals in 1960 favored Democrats by a two-to-one margin; now they are Republican by a 56 27 percent margin. Seventy-eight percent of them voted for President Bush in 2004.
In 1960, 71 percent of Catholics were Democrats and now Democrats have only a slight edge among Catholics (44 41 percent) and Catholics voted for President Bush (52 47 percent) in 2004. These trends have also brought an increased acceptance of religion in the public square.
While Americans do tend to favor the separation of church and state, 70 percent of voters want their President to have strong Christian religious beliefs. Likewise, the study reveals that 52 percent of Americans believe that Christian churches should express political views. Surprisingly, support for political involvement of churches is strongest among younger voters age 18 to 29 (59 percent).
Hillary may indeed fool a bunch of women. But, not women who are paying attention and have standards and values. Democrats have no standards, they only have a fierce desire to win at any cost. Sadly, old media buys into the same rhetoric.
Those Catholic voters they have left are either non practicing ones or the die hards that have been voting Dem ever since FDR.
Notice how the MSM always "advises" GOP candidates to move away from Christian voters?
Sadly some in the GOP have only a desire to win as well.
However, we do need to keep reinforcing the conservative agenda because of Hillary Clinton's rightward slitherings, and other ominous signs that the conservative agenda is in danger of being co-opted.
I call it "the Uriah Heep Factor."
There are people who are rank opportunists ---they gravitate to whoever's got the power.
Many, many savvy Repubs years ago predicted these left-leaning, pro-abort squatters-with-an-agenda having corrupted their own party, would bring their foul nest into the Republican party.
Conservatives need to be aware that the post-election "Uriah Heep Factor" is kicking in big time.
Conservatives know the "Uriah Heeps" are out there plotting and planning to co-opt the 2004 conservative victory for their own hidden agendas.
The Uriah Heeps of the world would manhandle the social conservative victory----and dilute the mandate----for their own self-serving agendas.
Charles Dickens' Uriah Heep character was notorious for wielding undue influence, a bounder who was always planning and plotting, ingratiating himself into the confidence of others. Uriah Heep was obsequious, manipulative, and wormed his way into positions of influence. Uriah was a consummate con man, and not to be trusted.
Translated into the language of the popular culture, the Uriah Heeps would position themselves as amenable to conservative qualities of faith and compassion, but are insincere in these feelings, using conservatives and our issues only to advance their own agendas and ambitions.
They have smelled the power of conservatives, and now these Uriah Heeps grow in their desire to exercise control over conservatives, and the conservative agenda.
The Uriah Heeps of the world with their vulgar sense of entitlement feed on the victories of others. They become more and more power-hungry and will deploy their self-serving strategies to selfish purposes.
We need to watch out, for they will bring more harm to conservative interests, to the rights of the unborn, religious freedom, the restoration of American culture, and so on.
At their very core, the Uriah Heeps evince an elitist, unmitigated contempt for Christian conservatives, and all they stand for. They hold their noses in the presence of the conservatives they loathe, in order to co-opt conservatives for their own self-serving purposes.
Christians are aware of whom they serve and watch carefully to see if promises made to them are empty.
There are those in the political spectrum who coyly speak the conservative language to appeal to Christian values, but who are not believers, just latter-day Uriah Heeps.
Agreed. Then again, that's what is happening now! It's comical and sad to see Bill doing his thing while Hillary is hanging in the wind. Hillary cannot win without Bill helping her. He draws as the attraction and I have yet to see Hillary able to stand on her own. Hillary is more scripted than any other politician I have ever seen.
Gore faced the same dilemma in 2000.
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