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Mole may have been fed false information
timesonline.co.uk ^ | March 25, 2006 | Michael Evans

Posted on 03/26/2006 11:26:59 AM PST by Proctor

The Times March 25, 2006

Mole may have been fed false information

By Michael Evans, Defence Editor

THE revelation that a mole inside US Central Command was sending to the Russians secret operational material about the coalition plan to invade Iraq in March 2003 is the most extraordinary development to emerge since Saddam Hussein was found in a hole in the ground. However, the mole’s betrayal might have provided little assistance to the Iraqi dictator. It is conceivable that the material was either deliberately skewed to confuse the Baghdad regime or was out of date by the time that Saddam and his war planners were given the details.

There is even a possibility that the mole had been discovered by the Americans early on and steps were taken to feed him or her with false information. None of the material released in the Pentagon papers gave Saddam such crucial information that enabled him to take measures against the US-led advance on Baghdad.

There can never have been any doubt in Saddam’s mind that the Americans and British planned to advance from Kuwait, since all the coalition forces were assembled in the desert areas south of the Kuwaiti/Iraqi border.

The document passed to Baghdad states that the Americans also planned to attack from the north and the east. In fact, US Marines and special forces attacked from the west, and the plan to mount an offensive from the north was abandoned when Turkey refused to allow coalition forces to invade from Turkish territory.

The original British operation was to have been exclusively from the north, but after the decision by the Turkish parliament to prohibit the use of Turkish bases, Britain had to switch all its troop deployments and armour to Kuwait for an attack from the south.

The document revealed that the mole in Central Command tipped off the Russians that the Americans had decided against occupying major Iraqi cities en route to Baghdad. This was accurate. Apart from the British mission to seize and occupy Basra and create a safe route for logistics movements from Kuwait to Baghdad, the plan was for US divisions to sweep past the other cities on the way to the Sunni triangle in central Iraq to reach Baghdad as rapidly as possible. US forces advanced past Najaf and Nasariyah so quickly that they were on the outskirts of Baghdad before Iraq’s Revolutionary Guard divisions were able to put up a proper fight.

With or without intelligence tip-offs from the Russians, Saddam was incapable of mounting a defence of his capital city or of deploying his supposedly elite Revolutionary Guards to protect his regime.


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The Times indicates the Russian mole was fed disinfo - and the Russians did not know it was disinfo.

The problem with that theory is that my background in logistics tells me that the American invasion plan was no secret to Russian intel based on their ability to spy from satellites in space on our positions. The American invasion plan was clear to anyone who could see it from space because you could not hide such a deployment.

So I think (since even a stooge mole is still a mole and this mole has not been charged with spying now that the war is over and his usefulness gone) that the Russians were helping out the Americans spread disinfo to Saddam.

Remember, Russia wanted Saddam to voluntarily step down.

Why?

In hopes that if Saddam stepped down there would be no need for America to invade and the guy who would take over would be friendly to America but most importantly preserve the Russian oil contracts.

But you ask - would not the Russians want to keep Saddam in power to preserve said contracts? The answer is that everyone - including the Russians who warned America Saddam was planning an attack on the USA (Putin told Bush of this plot personally post 9/11-that is a fact) - knew Saddam was out and the only question was what way he would go out - and what kind of regime would replace him.

Welcome to the real world - its very grey and complicated.

More plausible is it sounds like the Russians were helping us out - no investigation is being planned either - a funny thing when you consider there may be a mole involved. No investigation means that there was no real mole but it covers for the American effort to sow disinfo (with Russian help) to Saddam in the hopes he decided to leave before the invasion started. The significance of telling Saddam America would not fight in the cities was to show the Baathists was because Iraq's strategy was to lure Americans into cities for urban fighting - the only equalizer the Iraqis could do to even out the odds against them somewhat. When the Russians told Iraq America was not going to drive into the cities the Baathists had no alternative strategy. The problem was that nutjob Saddam did not even believe America would invade so the hoped for impact this disinfo was supposed to have did not materialize.

Maybe a sly tip o' the hat to Russia is called for?

Before people start scratching their heads at that since Russia voted against the invasion - Germany was also against the Iraqi invasion in public but German intel was inside Iraq feeding America information at the same time.

1 posted on 03/26/2006 11:27:03 AM PST by Proctor
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

fyi


2 posted on 03/26/2006 11:27:25 AM PST by Proctor (I risk my life to bring you http://www.historyofjihad.org & http://www.islamcomicbook.com/)
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To: RusIvan; Egberto

fyi


3 posted on 03/26/2006 11:35:40 AM PST by Proctor (I risk my life to bring you http://www.historyofjihad.org & http://www.islamcomicbook.com/)
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To: Proctor

This is my theory.


4 posted on 03/26/2006 11:38:06 AM PST by marron
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To: Proctor

I hope someone in Gitmo is still playing whack-a-mole with that traitor.


5 posted on 03/26/2006 11:38:09 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("If I were a Cuban, I'd certainly be on a raft," Isane Aparicio Busto)
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To: Proctor
Welcome to the real world - its very grey and complicated.

That is also why the nightly news is generally a complete and total waste of time. If the news were to try and paint a complete and accurate picture of what is going on in the world the result would be complicated...and dull...and the market for such news would be small indeed.
6 posted on 03/26/2006 11:39:11 AM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: NonValueAdded

Since the info he gave was false, the "Mole" could have been a double agent. Part of a classic disinformation campaign?


7 posted on 03/26/2006 11:51:21 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Proctor
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I knew it would come to this....

8 posted on 03/26/2006 11:52:15 AM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: Proctor

Now they need to out the mole and try him/her for treason.


9 posted on 03/26/2006 11:53:00 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Proctor

"The times indicaates the Russian mole was fed disinfo"

Hahahaha--let's see the big bear whine about how it is an "ally" of the US over that one.


10 posted on 03/26/2006 11:54:03 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: SandRat

If the mole was US Military, there is a firing squad waiting at Ft Leavenworth, Kan. If not, there are other means.


11 posted on 03/26/2006 11:56:14 AM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: Proctor

If your Russian spy buddy was fed disinformation by the US, how does this call for "a tip o' the hat" to the Russians for spying on us? We just used their own spy against them.


12 posted on 03/26/2006 11:57:37 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Proctor

Plus, as I have said in a different thread on this topic, just because someone tells you he has "inside sources" doesn't make it true.

I vote for a rogue Russian (though how "rogue" remains to be seen) trying to puff himself up to Saddam for a cut of the oil-for-food money by exagerating the "value" of his information.

Anyone with satellite imagery of the impending battleground could have suggested the tactics that would be used.

The fact that Saddam did NOT act on the information suggested that he did not take it very seriously.


13 posted on 03/26/2006 12:00:10 PM PST by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: armydawg1
I'd prefer that 13 knots at the end of a rope be used but, I know if a death sentence is handed down and is carried out it will have to be done by lethal injection after many many lengthy appeals and multiple protests even on the night it is carried out.
14 posted on 03/26/2006 12:04:04 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: freeangel

The MSM will fall all over themselves to excuse Russian perfidy.


15 posted on 03/26/2006 12:06:25 PM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: Proctor
Thanks, crosslinking:

Russian Spy Agency Denies Pentagon Report ~

16 posted on 03/26/2006 12:16:00 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Proctor

Interesting....


17 posted on 03/26/2006 12:21:52 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: SandRat
Now they need to out the mole and try him/her for treason.

The Pentagon said no investigations are planned or called for - what does that tell you? Wink-wink.

18 posted on 03/26/2006 12:55:16 PM PST by Proctor (I risk my life to bring you http://www.historyofjihad.org & http://www.islamcomicbook.com/)
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To: ozzymandus
Yes he is my spy buddy - we play basketball every Sunday.

And like you failed to read I stated as follows:

The problem with that theory that my Russian spy buddy was fed disinformation by the US is that my background in logistics tells me that the American invasion plan was no secret to Russian intel based on their ability to spy from satellites in space on our positions. The American invasion plan was clear to anyone who could see it from space because you could not hide such a deployment.

So I think (since even a stooge mole is still a mole and this mole has not been charged with spying now that the war is over and his usefulness gone) that the Russians were helping out the Americans spread disinfo to Saddam.

To dumb it down the Russians could easily figure out if it was disinfo or not based on easily found out (for them) troop movements and the like.

19 posted on 03/26/2006 12:57:39 PM PST by Proctor (I risk my life to bring you http://www.historyofjihad.org & http://www.islamcomicbook.com/)
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To: Royal Wulff

Since they ain't doing that maybe you need to reevaluate what's what.


20 posted on 03/26/2006 12:58:42 PM PST by Proctor (I risk my life to bring you http://www.historyofjihad.org & http://www.islamcomicbook.com/)
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To: marron

This thesis is not much fun for the Russian alarmist crowd.


21 posted on 03/26/2006 1:00:05 PM PST by Proctor (I risk my life to bring you http://www.historyofjihad.org & http://www.islamcomicbook.com/)
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To: Cindy

Ping


22 posted on 03/26/2006 1:02:38 PM PST by fanfan ( "We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality" - Ayn Rand)
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To: Proctor

If as you hint he was known and used, AR 25-2 makes no allowance for that. He's still in very serious trouble and should be prosecuted as anyone holding a security clearance at the level he was at would have to be.

The government would not bat an eye to quickly doing it to me as a retiree and government contractor or to an active service member. I expect, nay I demand no less for some staff puke Sybyllian, Military, or contractor in a rear area desk job.


23 posted on 03/26/2006 1:06:09 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
He's still in very serious trouble and should be prosecuted as anyone holding a security clearance at the level he was at would have to be.

Once more - the Pentagon is saying that they don't think there is a mole NOR WILL THEY LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION!

You know what that tells me? There is no mole and maybe Russia was working in conjunction with the American plans.

24 posted on 03/26/2006 1:12:15 PM PST by Proctor (I risk my life to bring you http://www.historyofjihad.org & http://www.islamcomicbook.com/)
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To: Proctor
then what would be the reason for going with the "mole" story now ? what does it buy anybody ?
why not just come out and say the Russians helped us ?
25 posted on 03/26/2006 1:15:53 PM PST by stylin19a (Do you still have sex or are you already playing golf?)
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To: Proctor

My prediction is that there is no mole, the mole story is what the Russians told the Iraqis.

The detailed information, I am expecting, is detailed information that anyone could have gathered from close reading of the press, and is information that we assumed Saddam would already know. The point is that Russia was acting as our intermediary to convince Saddam that we weren't bluffing, and to get out immediately. On the eve of war, we gave him the chance to go, with his sons, into exile.

Saddan didn't believe we would really invade. This may have merely been a part of the effort to wake him up, and to make the war unnecessary by his departure (we would have occupied anyway).

If, obviously, there really was a mole, he needs to hang. If there is no prosecution, no big investigation, then I will believe this was not espionage, just some good cop bad cop.


26 posted on 03/26/2006 1:18:35 PM PST by marron
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To: Proctor
that the Russians were helping out the Americans spread disinfo to Saddam.

Interesting, I had the same thought, I also wonder if the alleged moving of the WMDs to Syria by Russia was the same kind of operation, that Russia did that with our blessing. Russia would have known Saddam was done if we attacked, so moving the WMDs was a way to look good to the Iraqis (although that wasn't the real objective) plus do the coalition a huge service by removing potential WMD attack. That might explain why not much has come out about moving WMDs, Russia is in a unique position to help in the WOT this way being friendly to many ME countries and all. You wouldn't want to blow that kind of an arrangement into the open before you maximized the potential in the WOT.

27 posted on 03/26/2006 1:22:59 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Proctor

Funny after a little search on FR and this is what I come up with. Haven't yet found the Pentagon briefing but I'l hunt till I do.

Rice: U.S. to Query Russia on Iraq Intel

Posted by GodGunsGuts
On News/Activism 03/26/2006 10:00:31 AM MST · 37 replies · 290+ views

AP ^ | March 26, 2006 | DOUGLASS K. DANIEL
Rice: U.S. to Query Russia on Iraq Intel By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL, Associated Press Writer The Bush administration will ask Russia about a report that Moscow turned over information on American troop movements and other military plans to Saddam Hussein during the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Sunday. "Any implication that there were those from a foreign government who may have been passing information to the Iraqis prior to the invasion would be, of course, very worrying," Rice said on CNN's "Late Edition." "I would think the Russians would want to take that very seriously...



Russia Spies Operated in Iraq Through 2003

Posted by redlenses
On News/Activism 03/24/2006 3:23:54 PM MST · 22 replies · 467+ views

breitbart.com ^ | Mar 24, 2006 | MIKE ECKEL
Russia Spies Operated in Iraq Through 2003 Mar 24 3:48 PM US/Eastern By MIKE ECKEL Associated Press Writer MOSCOW Russia had a military intelligence unit operating in Iraq up through the 2003 U.S. invasion and fall of Baghdad, a Russian analyst said Friday. A Pentagon report said Russia provided Saddam Hussein with intelligence on U.S. military movements and plans. The unclassified report does not assess the value of the information or provide details beyond citing two captured Iraqi documents that say the Russians collected information from sources "inside the American Central Command" and that battlefield intelligence was provided to Saddam...



Pentagon report says Russia gave Iraq intelligence

Posted by bnelson44
On News/Activism 03/24/2006 3:06:54 PM MST · 17 replies · 438+ views

Reuters ^ | 3/24/06
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Russia provided intelligence to Iraq's government on U.S. military movements in the opening days of the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, a Pentagon report released on Friday said. The report said an April 2, 2003, document from the Iraqi minister of foreign affairs to President Saddam Hussein stated that Russian intelligence had reported information on American troops plans to the Iraqis through the Russian ambassador. The intelligence, the document stated, was that the American forces were moving to cut off Baghdad from the south, east and north, that U.S. bombing would concentrate on Baghdad and that the assault...


Report: Russia Had Sources in U.S. Command

Posted by BenLurkin
On News/Activism 03/24/2006 1:50:50 PM MST · 91 replies · 1,905+ views

AP ^ | 7 minutes ago | ROBERT BURNS,
WASHINGTON - The Russian government had sources inside the American military command as it planned and executed the invasion of Iraq in 2003, according to Iraqi documents released as part of a Pentagon report. The Russians passed information to Saddam Hussein on U.S. troop movements and plans during the opening days of the war, according to the report Friday. The unclassified report does not assess the value of the information or provide details beyond citing two captured Iraqi documents that say the Russians collected information from sources "inside the American Central Command" and that battlefield intelligence was provided to Saddam...


Pentagon: Russia Gave Saddam U.S. Intel

Posted by Ernest_at_the_Beach
On News/Activism 03/24/2006 12:24:15 PM MST · 85 replies · 1,313+ views

Yahoo ^ | March 24, 2006 | ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer
WASHINGTON - The Russian government provided Saddam Hussein with intelligence on U.S. military movements and plans during the opening days of the war in 2003, according to a Pentagon report released Friday. The unclassified report does not assess the value of the information or provide details beyond citing an Iraqi document that says the battlefield intelligence was provided to Saddam through the Russian ambassador in Baghdad.A classified version of the Pentagon report, titled "Iraqi Perspectives Project," is not being made public.Whether by chance or design, one piece of Russian intelligence actually contributed to an important U.S. military deception effort. By...


Russia provides Saddam with U.S. military strength at start of Iraq War

Posted by Starman417
On Bloggers & Personal 03/23/2006 8:16:58 PM MST · 22 replies · 187+ views

Ray Robison ^ | 03/23/2006 | Ray Robison
For the second day in a row, as we were "going to press" ABC News put a gist of a newly released Iraq Regime document on their website. But again Sammi provides a full translation of the document CMPC-2003-001950. Parenthesis are the translators: Office of the Presidency Mr. Secretary (of the President) Subject: Meeting with the Russian Ambassador Best of our salutes, We would like to inform you that the Russian ambassador met this evening with the general director of Foreign Economic Relations and the General Director of the Grains Trade and told us the following: 1- Provide the necessary...


28 posted on 03/26/2006 1:40:05 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: dynoman

I don't think WMD went to Syria - Rice said so herself.


29 posted on 03/26/2006 1:41:00 PM PST by Proctor (I risk my life to bring you http://www.historyofjihad.org & http://www.islamcomicbook.com/)
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To: SandRat; marron
The press just states the story as ut was told to spread. FreeRepublic exists so we can read between the newslines.

I agree with marron and any thoughtful look into this matter will give the same conclusion:

The detailed information, I am expecting, is detailed information that anyone could have gathered from close reading of the press, and is information that we assumed Saddam would already know. The point is that Russia was acting as our intermediary to convince Saddam that we weren't bluffing, and to get out immediately. On the eve of war, we gave him the chance to go, with his sons, into exile.

30 posted on 03/26/2006 1:43:41 PM PST by Proctor (I risk my life to bring you http://www.historyofjihad.org & http://www.islamcomicbook.com/)
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To: Proctor

Well,...went to the State Dept. web site and guess what I found???

QUESTION: Did the Russians have a mole inside the U.S. military Central Command on the eve of the war three years ago, providing information about U.S. military troop movements in Iraq directly to Saddam Hussein's government?


SECRETARY RICE: Well, I have obviously seen the reports as well, and we're going to take a good hard look at the documentation. We certainly will raise it with the Russian Government and any implication that there were those from a foreign government who may have been passing information to the Iraqis prior to the invasion, would be, of course, very worrying. And we will talk to the Russians. I would think the Russians would want to take that very seriously as well.

Interview on CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2006/63704.htm
March 26, 2006

QUESTION: Did the Russians have a mole inside the U.S. military Central Command on the eve of the war three years ago, providing information about U.S. military troop movements in Iraq directly to Saddam Hussein's government?


SECRETARY RICE: Well, I have obviously seen the reports as well, and we're going to take a good hard look at the documentation. We certainly will raise it with the Russian Government and any implication that there were those from a foreign government who may have been passing information to the Iraqis prior to the invasion, would be, of course, very worrying. And we will talk to the Russians. I would think the Russians would want to take that very seriously as well.

QUESTION: But you haven't raised that with the Russians?

SECRETARY RICE: We're going to take a good hard look at the documentation and understand a little bit better what's there and then we'll raise it.


31 posted on 03/26/2006 1:56:35 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: fanfan

That's interesting.
Thank you fanfan for the ping.


32 posted on 03/26/2006 1:58:39 PM PST by Cindy
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To: SandRat
Yea, in other words she is giving it the official blow off.

There is a mole in the Pentagon and no official investigation beyond a statement they will look into it..wink-wink.

Case closed as far as I am concerned.

33 posted on 03/26/2006 2:02:20 PM PST by Proctor (I risk my life to bring you http://www.historyofjihad.org & http://www.islamcomicbook.com/)
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To: Proctor
Do you think they went to Lybia prior to OIF?

Posts 80-85

34 posted on 03/26/2006 2:04:52 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Cindy

It's what I admire the most about FR.

We have become the best/biggest news gathering entity in the world.
In the whole known history of the world.


;-)


35 posted on 03/26/2006 2:05:08 PM PST by fanfan ( "We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality" - Ayn Rand)
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To: All

Libya, sorry.


36 posted on 03/26/2006 2:05:31 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: fanfan

It sure seems that way.
Smiling back at you.


37 posted on 03/26/2006 2:07:32 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Proctor

38 posted on 03/26/2006 2:07:34 PM PST by cmsgop ( I love Scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch)
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To: Proctor
I don't think WMD went to Syria - Rice said so herself.

How did she say they didn't?

If they did go to Syria and it was part of plan between the US and Russia for the general WOT why would either country admit it? That would be foolish.

39 posted on 03/26/2006 2:09:14 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Proctor
"It is conceivable that the material was either deliberately skewed to confuse the Baghdad regime or was out of date by the time that Saddam and his war planners were given the details.

There is even a possibility that the mole had been discovered by the Americans early on."

It also is conceivable that I'm going to hit the Mega Millions jackpot, and there's even a possibility that I'll hit it two weeks in a row.

Of course, we all knew without some reporter tossing out his armchair speculation without a shred of evidence to back it up....

40 posted on 03/26/2006 2:10:18 PM PST by XJarhead
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To: Proctor

Uhhhm, yeah right. Russia (and China) may have fed Saddam correct info, but Saddam was the one who spread disinformation to his troops. Saddam did not put up a fight because Saddam knew the only way to beat us was to fight an insurgency war.


41 posted on 03/26/2006 2:20:35 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Stellar Dendrite; Tailgunner Joe; MARKUSPRIME; M. Espinola; lizol

Pingaroo!!


42 posted on 03/26/2006 2:21:31 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Proctor

43 posted on 03/26/2006 2:22:42 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Diplomacy is what you do after you kick the enemy's ass and define their lives afterward)
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To: SandRat

You make a good case that the "48,000 boxes of untranslated material" released by the fed gov "in hopes of having translated, 'cause we ain't got the resources' is a bunch of malarky....


44 posted on 03/26/2006 2:24:01 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: SandRat
Now they need to out the mole and try him/her for treason.

Or retire the double agent with the honors and benefits due him.

45 posted on 03/26/2006 2:36:27 PM PST by Lessismore
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please do not believe these russian troll opinion shapers. they are liars who come to these forums to propagandize and shill for putin.

"russia was helping us" HAHAHAHAHA do NOT believe these lies.





let's recall what putin did before the war...they were NOT "helping us"

respected WASHINGTON TIMES reporter BILL GERTZ in his book "Treachery" state that:
"Foreign munitions were used against coalition forces during the war and continue to be a potential source of explosives for improvised explosive devices still being used to kill U.S. soldiers."


Iraq's arms ["The big three arms suppliers were Russia (and the Soviet Union), China and France"] and "Russia supplied 122 different types of arms and a total of nearly 13 million items" Russian Delegation in Baghdad With Putin Message for Saddam Hussein

Moscow 'vehemently' opposes attacks on Iraq Sees Saddam's terror-sponsor state as 'long-term partner'





ask yourself, was russia "helping" us when they helped iran with numerous arms sales including a ONE BILLION DOLLAR DEAL??? they helped iran with having the ability for missiles to THREATEN EUROPE!

Russia to sell 29 air defense systems to Iran

Russia will sell SAMs to Iran

Russia to meet pledge on air defense system deliveries to Iran

Iran and Russia sign $1 bln defense deal: reports

Russians help Iran with missile threat to Europe

was russia "helping" us when they sold MiGs, helicopters, machine guns,submarines, training of venezuelan troops?

Venezuela Receives First Shipment of Russian Military Helicopters

Russia is ready to sell aircraft to Venezuela

Russia must begin the training, arming Venezuela's armed forces against US threat of invasion

Venezuela formalizes Russian arms deal

Venezuela to Buy Russian Submarines and Machine Guns

Hugo Chavez: MiGs, SAMs and 900,000 more assault rifles

ask yourself, was russia "helping" us when they said hamas was NOT a terrorist organization? or when they supplied missles to syria that were fired into israel?


Hamas not a terrorist organisation for Russia: Putin

Rockets fired from Lebanon into Israel are Russian-made, sold to Syria

Israel worried about possible new Russia-Syria arms deals

"Russia to supply Syria with ammunition, train officers"

'Russia's trying to save the Syrians'

another particularly DAMNING series of stories...

The KGB's Man (arafat was TRAINED and BANKROLLED by KGB!)

Bin Laden aide ‘had KGB link’

To The Qaeda:Ex Russian Agent, Vice Bin Laden Trained From Kgb

Russian secret agency FSB trained Al Qaeda's al-Zawahiri: Report:

Al Qaeda’s Al-Zawahiri Received Terrorist Training in Russia

KGB trained Zawahiri, says former agent

other stories of interest, for instance why does rusia have the same amont of spies in the US/UK as during the cold war??

"Russian agents flood UK in revival of intelligence Cold War"

"The Russians Are Coming - As Many Russian Spies Now In The U.S. as during the Cold War"



Powell Concerned by Putin Political Changes



The Increasingly Intertwined Bear and Dragon Russia providing Military Technology and Arms to China


46 posted on 03/26/2006 2:39:08 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (UAE-- Funds HAMAS and CAIR, check my homepage [UPDATED FREQUENTLY])
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To: Stellar Dendrite
Russia also recently helped Iran launch its first ever spy satellite. Let me guess - The spy satellite has a 'disinformation' chip in it.

Also, why was this 'dirty laundry' fed to the MSM in such a way that it is 'hurting' Russian-US relations ?

I must admit however, whenever a 'story' is spread around the worlds main stream medias so quickly, you cannot almost bet the farm it is a planted story.

47 posted on 03/26/2006 3:06:19 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: SandRat
Now they need to out the mole and try him/her for treason.

Unless the mole was an American double agent. In that case there may have been a medal awarded.
48 posted on 03/26/2006 3:11:29 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Proctor; darkwing104
I personally think you are over-complicating the entire processs and are proving it by over-analysing this story....
50 posted on 03/26/2006 3:48:12 PM PST by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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