Saddam Regime Document Dated January 2003: The French and German Connections (Translation)

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[jveritas]

In this document ISGZ-2004-028179 there is a report by the Assistant of the Iraqi Intelligence Director to his boss “The Director” dated January/23/2003 regarding the visit of one German and one Frenchman to Iraq and these two guys talk about their strong relation with the top government officials in both France and Germany. In this letter the German that German Chancellor Schroeder was totally opposed to the idea of the war in Iraq and it his opposition to the possible war that made him win the German elections held in 2002. Also there is an important part of the letter where it mention the visit of German Chancellor to meet with the Chinese Prime minister and that the Chinese PM told Schroeder “about the information that was obtained by the Chinese intelligence and it says that Iraq has moved his mass of destruction weapon to Syria and the German Chancellor told him that the German intelligence did not indicate this. And after two days the US state secretary went to Damascus to check on this with the Syrian government that in turn denied this news.” Also in the letter it show the fear of the French to join the war because of the heavy losses that will suffer..

Beginning of the Translation of 4 pages report in document ISGZ-2004-028179

In the Name of God the Most Compassionate The Most Merciful

The Republic of Iraq

The Intelligence Apparatus

The respectful Mr Director of the Apparatus

Subject: The Frenchman Le Floch and the German Dieter Holzer

In the date of 10/1/2003 the two mentioned above arrived to the country in visit for two days only and they did during their stay with the following activities:

1. They met with the deputy of the Industry and minerals ministry and they spoke with him about the possibility of building the non working factories since the year 1991 and provide the country with the spare parts that the ministry needs in the domain of industry.

2. They met with Mr. Ghazi Faysal the chairman of the department First Political Department in the foreign ministry and they spoke with him about the following subjects:

A. The German Holtzer confirmed that Chancellor Shroeder does not like the Leader President but he still oppose the war and it is because of his stand on this he won the latest elections and in case his stand changes this will lead to his loss of the Chancellery and that he hot replacement is ready to win the position and he is the economy minister the German Clement from the ruling Socialist German Party.

B. He mentioned that a meeting in Beijing in the beginning of this month was held between the Prime minister of China and the German Chancellor Schroeder in the occasion of the opening project for the fast train and the latter was asked about the information that was obtained by the Chinese intelligence and it says that Iraq has moved his mass of destruction weapon to Syria and the German Chancellor told him that the German intelligence did not indicate this. And after two days the US state secretary went to Damascus to check on this with the Syrian government that in turn denied this news..

C. He suggested the idea of bringing the Pope John Paul II to visit the country because this visit cause Bush Junior to lose his balance and that he has good relation with the originally German (Ratzinger) in the Vatican and that the latter has influence has influence through waving the card of the financial support that Germany give to the Vatican and it is estimated to be (around 6 billions dollars yearly).

D. He indicated that Chirac became a honorary President of Europe not through elections but through popularity since most of the countries of Europe oppose the war but this man is not courageous and he needs the support of Iraq and for example present what proves that his weapons of mass destruction were destroyed.

C. He express the readiness of French and German companies to execute projects in Iraq as long as the necessary moneys are guaranteed to execute these projects because its revenue decreased lately due the decrease of oil exports.

3.In our meeting with the German Holzer he spoke about the following subjects:

A. He was shown a secret report prepared by the French Army Chief of Staff who presented to Jacques Chirac warning him of the losses that the French troops suffered in Spain and Germany during Napoleon campaigns because the participation of France in the possible war against Iraq will let her suffer huge human losses because it is impossible getting the Iraqi President by aerial bombing and that the entering in street fights will be a disaster for them

B. He intend to buy a residential house in Baghdad under the name of his wife where as his wife is Palestinian and that he visited one of the houses in Arsat and he paid the house own (150) 150 thousand dollars but the latter asked for 300 thousand dollars.

4. Opinion:

A. There phone has been wiretapped for surveillance and they were followed and also the there was phone wiretap of the Syrian Jamal Saba for surveillance because they vist him and to control their relations and we will show the results later.

B. The Paris station informed us that they were coming to the country to prepare for a visit by the ex-German economy minister with a delegation of German companies to the country for commercial purposes and their visit to the country was shortened because this is not the first time we have doubts about their real intentions toward the country.

C. We prpose to continue in following them inside the country and direct the Paris station with the necessity to put them under an operation of check up and verification and observe their connections.

For your review Yours… with regards

The Assistant for the Director of Intelligence

23/1/2003

End of translation

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

The MSM is in Defensive Mode....right now they are trying to get this off the front page so they can help get the Civil War in Iraq started.....these documents don't help them with their Agenda at all!!!!

[eyespysomething]

Some trading was allowed, but yes, much more went on than was legally allowed by the UN sactions.

[jveritas]

Do you think it is better to have this title "WMD MOVED TO SYRIA"? I will agree with you but we should say
"Saddam Regime Document: WMD MOVED TO SYRIA PER CHINESE INTELLIGENCE".

[Just mythoughts]

"C. He suggested the idea of bringing the Pope John Paul II to visit the country because this visit cause Bush Junior to lose his balance and that he has good relation with the originally German (Ratzinger) in the Vatican and that the latter has influence has influence through waving the card of the financial support that Germany give to the Vatican and it is estimated to be (around 6 billions dollars yearly). "

Is this "He suggested" Schroeder?

[numberonepal]

Are you retired? You're a machine. Good work!

[eyespysomething]

More translation at this post #78

This one states that Germany and France corroborated together to go against the Americans, and for what? FOR OIL!! Which means I was right when I said - No War. For Oil.

[Kimberly GG]

Do you read the translation to mean that Powell stated he is in agreement with Germany, not China, that the wmds were NOT moved to Syria?

thank you.

[jveritas]

I hope that Powell did not take the Syrian regime word for denying the moving of Iraq WMD to Syria. In my humble opinion I think Powell agreed more with the Germans because it is an easier thing to do rather than agreeing with the Chinese because if he did agree with the Chinese intelligence that Iraq moved the WMD to Syria that means a lot of more investigations and problems with Syria something that Powell tried to avoid as a DIPLOMAT.</p>

[SittinYonder]

After his last visit to Iraq in 27/9 he was met by us and his meeting with Mr. Foreign minister and Mr. Oil minister left a positive effect and he started to defend Iraq and in a big way whether in his meetings with French and German officials or his interview with the TV channels an he confirmed that necessity of standing up against the American ...

Well we all remember how this was happening from both the Germans and the French.

I think I said it in my post that was deleted, but I'll say it again:

This is exactly what Rush Limbaugh said we would find - evidence of the French and Germans violating UN sanctions to get oil out of Iraq. This is what many of us have been saying since before the invasion when the French and Germans (especially, but others as well) were fighting the US on this in the security council. It was obvious then and it appears to be proved now.

Thanks for the ping to this translation, I probably would have missed it today otherwise!

[SittinYonder]

something that Powell tried to avoid as a DIPLOMAT

Absolutely.

But the memo doesn't give any indication as to what Powell thought, just that he went to Damascus and Syria denied receiving WMDs, right?

[jveritas]

In fact I am working quiet hard in my regular engineering job :) I have been doing the vast majority of the translations after the work hours, staying up very late at night, and then post it either that same night or the second day.

[xzins]

Confirm is an interesting word.

What it does is provide another source telling the same story.

[demlosers]

You're doing yeoman's work. Keep it up! :-)

[Kimberly GG]

Thank you jveritas. I was misreading this part of your translation:

"the US state secretary went to Damascus to check on this with the Syrian government that in turn denied this news.”

thank you for the clarification. Re: the Chinese claim (hint) that the wmds had been moved from Iraq to Syria. along with Germany, it was the Syrian government that denied 'this news'. Not Powell.

Again....thank you so very much for your dedication!

[LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget]

A frog I argue with quite a bit stated this:

 

That is a forgery. Loic le Floc Prigent is in jail! And he was a friend of Francois Mitterand. If you knew anything about french politics, you would know that is a good reason to NOT be counted among Chirac's friends.... http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo%C3%AFk_Le_Floch-Prigent

He has never been a councelor to Chirac. pesky little details, right? Being under investigation, he was unable to leave France, and/or be a councelor of the President.

[Kimberly GG]

Powell arrives in Syria for talks

U.S. secretary of state hopes for 'full and candid' conversation

Friday, May 2, 2003 Posted: 10:26 PM EDT (0226 GMT)

DAMASCUS, Syria (CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell arrived in Damascus on Friday for talks with President Bashar Assad of Syria, which the United States has called a "rogue state." .........

....."From Tirana, the secretary flew to Damascus, which has been under U.S. pressure since the fall of the regime in Baghdad. Officials said Powell hopes to have a "full and candid" conversation with Assad and other Syrian leaders.

President Bush has accused Syria of harboring Saddam's henchmen and developing weapons of mass destruction.

Powell has threatened sanctions against the country but also has said there are no immediate plans to expand the war in Iraq to Syria. Syria denies the allegations from Washington. "

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/02/syria.powell/

I will keep looking to see if I can find anything Powell might have said regarding his findings from this trip.

[Marine_Uncle]

Thanks J, for your continued interest, and making time to translate important Harmony documents for us. Please your busy, do not feel obligated to respond.
As I read these translations it is like reading chapters in a book I obtained back in 1988 titled BULLSEYE IRAQ written by a US Naval Aviator, Dan McKinnon for the the publisher Berkely, ISBN: 0-425-11259-4.
All the players are the same, for the same reasons in essence. All wanted to make money on Iraq. And of course, key players like Russia and France hoped to maintain their geopolitical influences in the ME, as well as making money, and not being blackmailed by Saddam as far as oil deals they had going with the tyrant.
So nothing I now read surprises me in the least. It is basically a re-affirmation on many things already written about in the past. However. Keep up the good work. So many folks have not had the opportunities in establishing the time lines and what had been going on.

[BJClinton]

Thanks for the ping. I gotta use that as a tagline.

[numberonepal]

Well, like I said, you're a machine. Keep up the good work so I can have lots of ammo against dirty liberals.

[demlosers]

The admin fixed the post, it should be OK now. The importance of this is that the Chinese Intelligence had information of Iraq moving the WMD to Syria according to the report.

Bump!