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Boehner hints a back down on 'amnesty'
The Washington Times ^ | March 29, 2006 | Charles hurt

Posted on 03/29/2006 7:15:28 AM PST by surely_you_jest

House Majority Leader John A. Boehner refused yesterday to rule out compromising with the Senate to expand the House border security bill to include a guest-worker program or provisions that opponents call "amnesty." "Let's wait and see what the Senate can produce," he told reporters yesterday when asked whether House Republicans would reject the Senate Judiciary Committee's proposal to allow the estimated 12 million illegal aliens now in the U.S. to seek citizenship after paying a fine.

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TOPICS: US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; guestworker; illegalimmigration; illegals; mexico; treason
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To: Altair333
"If the people on the border don't believe that the wall will have the effect that people here think, then we ought to reconsider it," he said.

The first time that anybody has ever listened to the people on the border and this is all that he got out of it?

1,851 posted on 03/30/2006 8:35:40 AM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Remember the Alamo? I guess Santa Anna won after all, didn't he?

Yeah, Santa Ana had a pretty decisive victory there. A+ for your history knowledge, C- for its relevance.

1,852 posted on 03/30/2006 8:36:17 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: AmericanInfidel0; Laurita; CMS; The Sailor; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; OneLoyalAmerican; ...

To every service man or woman reading this thread.
Thank You for your service to our country.
No matter where you are stationed,
No matter what your job description
Know that we are are proud of each and everyone of you.

Please accept our apology for those on this forum
who would rather push party talking points
rather than acknowledge the disgrace to the American flag
and to those who died protecting it.




1,853 posted on 03/30/2006 8:36:24 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Have you said Thank You to a Service Man or Woman today?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Bump of support


1,854 posted on 03/30/2006 8:40:06 AM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your God is!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

You're welcome to the first, and cry me a river on the second.


1,855 posted on 03/30/2006 8:40:35 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Please take me off your ping list.


1,856 posted on 03/30/2006 8:42:41 AM PST by Rokke
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To: Coop
Uh...I would not call the Alamo a "decisive" victory for Santa Anna in the least. While it is true that he killed all the defenders and took the old mission...what he lost in order to do that, both in the march to the battle, and in the battle itself was a horrendous cost.

And that is not to mention the ire of the people he raised against whom he was fighting that ultimately contributed to his overall loss of the war, and Texas.

1,857 posted on 03/30/2006 8:43:04 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head
Uh...I would not call the Alamo a "decisive" victory for Santa Anna in the least. While it is true that he killed all the defenders and took the old mission...what he lost in order to do that, both in the march to the battle, and in the battle itself was a horrendous cost. And that is not to mention the ire of the people he raised against whom he was fighting that ultimately contributed to his overall loss of the war, and Texas.

I would. It was put into the context of the Alamo... period.

Yes, he won the battle but lost the war. Muis bien!

1,858 posted on 03/30/2006 8:44:26 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop
cry me a river on the second

You do not believe that such a showing of the American flag was a disgrace? Or that is has any meaning?

While its overall relevence may be questioned at this point (but I do not believe it will be in the long run because as more Americans see it and are made aware of the true nature and extent of the problem, which that flag raising punctuates, they will be motivated to act), it is still a highly affrontive and disgraceful act on its own.

1,859 posted on 03/30/2006 8:45:44 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head
You do not believe that such a showing of the American flag was a disgrace?

Of course I do. Again, context. Lumping that photo in with a salute to veterans is also a disgrace.

1,860 posted on 03/30/2006 8:47:54 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop
Yeah, Santa Ana had a pretty decisive victory there. A+ for your history knowledge, C- for its relevance.

The relevence is that way back when, Texans actually fought to protect their lands from the invading Mexicans.

Now, they throw up their arms and surrender.

Or, is Bush not a Texan and is he not surrendering to Vicente Fox?

1,861 posted on 03/30/2006 8:48:20 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Coop
I would. It was put into the context of the Alamo

In the context of the Alamo itself, his forced march through a blizzard to get there cost him eight times the men he defeated, and the battle itself cost at least that many again, if not twice that number.

That is not a decisive victory. I would call it winning a particular battle at an unbelievable horrendous cost that if persisted in and replicated would ultimately lose the war.

Yes, he won...but not decisively so. If anything, the Texans and their allies proved to him how costly his victories would be and in that way won their won decisve triumph in losing that battle.

1,862 posted on 03/30/2006 8:50:15 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Or, is Bush not a Texan and is he not surrendering to Vicente Fox?

Actually, he's the President of the United States. Kinda has a broader perspective, ya know? But you're right, he did used to live & govern in Texas. So I imagine he's quite familiar with Mexico the challenges illegal immigration pose to our nation, especially the southern border states.

1,863 posted on 03/30/2006 8:50:22 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT


1,864 posted on 03/30/2006 8:50:42 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Jeff Head
That is not a decisive victory.

My criteria for "decisive" is that the defending force was wiped out. But they took a ton of invaders with 'em (on a ratio of about 10:1, IIRC), God bless 'em! I'm not arguing any of your points in the strategic sense. :-)

1,865 posted on 03/30/2006 8:52:19 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Coop, Tonk is trying to inform veterans about what some people (perhaps a large number of people) on the other side of this immigration fight feel about our nation, our laws, and our flag. In so doing, he hopes to motivate them to stand...as well he should IMHO.

I do not find that disgraceful in the least...it is his right. As is yours to oppose what he is doing. I, for one, support him in it.

1,866 posted on 03/30/2006 8:52:56 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Coop
Okay...so our definition of decisive is different. If they had done so without losing many men...to me that would be truly decisive. In the strategic sense we are in agreement.
1,867 posted on 03/30/2006 8:54:04 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head; Don'tMessWithTexas
While its overall relevence may be questioned at this point (but I do not believe it will be in the long run because as more Americans see it and are made aware of the true nature and extent of the problem, which that flag raising punctuates, they will be motivated to act), it is still a highly affrontive and disgraceful act on its own.

I brought up the Alamo because Don'tMessWithTexas was implying that 12 million illegals were too many to deport and thus, we should simply surrender and allow them to become citizens.

The relevence of the Alamo is that back then, Texans didn't think twice about defending their lands, even against insurmountable odds, even if it meant giving their lives to do so.

Now, they willingly surrender. Or, at least that's my take on Bush's and Don'tMessWithTexas's stance.

1,868 posted on 03/30/2006 8:54:35 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Jeff Head; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
As is yours to oppose what he is doing. I, for one, support him in it.

And you won't be alone, either. Nor will I. You asked me a straight question, I gave you a straight answer. We can disagree as to Tonk's motivation.

1,869 posted on 03/30/2006 8:55:33 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker; Jeff Head
Bush isn't a Texan.

He's a Connecticut Yankee with a well-practiced Southwestern twang.

I'll admit, it's more convincing than his feeble attempts at speaking Spanglish.

1,870 posted on 03/30/2006 8:59:12 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
I do not believe Texas is "surrendering".

As a native-Texas, even though I now live in Idaho, I can tell you that that is not going to happen.

1,871 posted on 03/30/2006 9:02:43 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: buckeye49

I have not received a reply from DeWine or Voinivich and I have emailed them everyday since the decision of the Judiciary Committee.
Usually DeWine does reply, but not on this issue so far.
Voinivich has never replied even though I send him every pro-Bolton story I can get my hands on and have asked for an apology for his "behavior" on the Senate floor during the Bolton nomination. (I love John Bolton. Anyone who demands meetings to be conducted ON TIME has my admiration.)


1,872 posted on 03/30/2006 9:03:03 AM PST by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: Coop
Actually, he's the President of the United States. Kinda has a broader perspective, ya know?

Please explain how this relieves him of his duty to enforce the immigration laws already on the books.

1,873 posted on 03/30/2006 9:03:35 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Coop
I appreciate your forthrightness. I know Tonk personally and I can say that, in my experience, his motivations are good and not in question...whether you may agree with the methods or not.
1,874 posted on 03/30/2006 9:04:35 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
Bush isn't a Texan.

(I know. He's a carpet-bagger, just like his Daddy before him)

1,875 posted on 03/30/2006 9:04:45 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
You are right on Tonk....

U.S. Marine Pvt 1st Class Luther Leguire raises the U.S. flag atop the American Consulate in Seoul just prior its recapture on 29 Sept, 1950.

1,876 posted on 03/30/2006 9:05:19 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Please explain how this relieves him of his duty to enforce the immigration laws already on the books.

It doesn't. But I granted him a waiver just so'z we could have this wonderful thread!

1,877 posted on 03/30/2006 9:06:38 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Like father, like son.

If there had to be patrician, New England family that occupied the White House I would prefer it be the Buckleys, to be perfectly honest.

1,878 posted on 03/30/2006 9:09:23 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Jeff Head
As a native-Texas, even though I now live in Idaho, I can tell you that that is not going to happen.

And you may very well be right.

But as it is now, our elected officials in Washington are selling us down the river and unless Texans are willing to secede or start a revolution, they will have no choice but to go along with the program.

1,879 posted on 03/30/2006 9:10:25 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for seeing the bigger picture
and putting America before party talking points.

BTW The situation in Klamath is now effecting
the commercial fishing fleet in Oregon.

I've come full circle, meeting the farmers in summer of '01,
along with you and so many other FReepers.

68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub Eye AND Ear Witness account
of Klamath Falls Parade and Rally
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b848e723d9e.htm

And now each and every week since Oct 2001 with the
Coast Guard and now with the commercial fishermen
each week (since Mar 2005).

I'm on week # 234

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1357942/posts

It's amazing what actually gets done with no
party politics in play.


1,880 posted on 03/30/2006 9:11:22 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Have you said Thank You to a Service Man or Woman today?)
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To: Coop
It doesn't. But I granted him a waiver just so'z we could have this wonderful thread!

Well, then, it's time to yank it back.

1,881 posted on 03/30/2006 9:11:55 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thanks for seeing the bigger picture and putting America before party talking points.

And thank you for using our nation's veterans to score weak political points. Very classy!

1,882 posted on 03/30/2006 9:12:27 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1605381/posts?page=1876#1876


1,883 posted on 03/30/2006 9:15:15 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Have you said Thank You to a Service Man or Woman today?)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Seceding and revolution are not the only answers.

They can stand up and tell the pols that enough is enough and either force them to do what is right...or give them the boot and put people in who will. They can counter protest and make sure that the pols see it...they can contact them directly, and they can raise holy hell over this...which is exactly what all of us should be doing.

1,884 posted on 03/30/2006 9:15:40 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1605381/posts?page=1856#1856

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1605381/posts?page=1882#1882

1,885 posted on 03/30/2006 9:17:10 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop

What's more important

1) Proper respect and display of the American Flag

2) Party talking points


1,886 posted on 03/30/2006 9:25:10 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Have you said Thank You to a Service Man or Woman today?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Gosh, tough question. To really get at that answer we'd have to decide which is more important:

a) What is America's best-selling brand of toothpaste?

b) Which teams are in this year's men's tourney Final Four?

1,887 posted on 03/30/2006 9:28:37 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
He's already answered that question.

This whole debate has been illuminating.

Now we actually know who's willing to stand up and defend the values and sovereignty of this nation, and who is merely mouthing meaningless partisan banalities.

1,888 posted on 03/30/2006 9:30:43 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: drdemars

That's a nice story. What on Earth does it has to do with my post about how people see the Democrats changing things if they get into power in November, I don't know, but it's a nice story.


1,889 posted on 03/30/2006 9:34:43 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (No respect for conservatives? That's free speech. No respect for liberals? That's hate speech.)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Back again, little one? Still having problems with that whole "ping" concept, I see. Perhaps if we got JimRob to convert the forum to Latin!


1,890 posted on 03/30/2006 9:35:34 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop
Why the hell would I ping you?

A. Engaging you in a conversation is about as intellectually stimulating as crushing beer cans with my forehead.

B. You're already on this thread. In fact, it seems that you never leave, in spite of the fact that you seem to make a fool of yourself with each comment you post.

C. I didn't even mention your handle, so I don't see why I would need to "ping" you-whatever that process entails in your bizarre imagination-even if I subscribed to your absurd ping etiquette in the first place.

1,891 posted on 03/30/2006 9:39:36 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
Why the hell would I ping you?

Because you're all about etiquette, Miss Manners!

And you're right, I'm always on this thread. As long as you and your little posse (the ones who haven't been sent packing, anyways) keep calling names and then crying and sending hypocritical complaints to the mods when I throw your medicine right back at you!

Your friendly neighborhood Kool-aid drinkin', terrorist-lovin', trollish, Bushbot, newly promoted mod!

1,892 posted on 03/30/2006 9:43:12 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
You're welcome Tonk...and that's my answer to your direct post to me.

The idea currently afloat is that the Klamath farmers water now must be turned off to provide for the Salmon. I do not believe or subscribe to that either.

1,893 posted on 03/30/2006 9:43:44 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Coop
Perhaps if we got JimRob to convert the forum to Latin!

It'll go Spanish first, amigo.

1,894 posted on 03/30/2006 9:47:21 AM PST by NeoCaveman (the freeper formerly known as dubyaismypresident)
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To: Jeff Head; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
and that's my answer to your direct post to me.

Cute, Jeff. But we both know it was a direct answer to all of us, just as Tonk's insulting use of veterans to score political points was to all of us.

Direct message? FReepmail! :-)

============

Hey guys, which makes more of a fashion statement?

OR

And if you answer incorrectly, it means you hate America and spit on veterans!

1,895 posted on 03/30/2006 9:49:35 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: NeoCaveman

Muis bien!


1,896 posted on 03/30/2006 9:50:04 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop

"And you're right, I'm always on this thread."

Yeah, but you never say anything. At least not anything that indicates that you are a patriotic, Constitution-loving, law & order American.


1,897 posted on 03/30/2006 9:50:50 AM PST by samcgwire ("I voted for President 'Better Than Kerry'")
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To: samcgwire
At least not anything that indicates that you are a patriotic, Constitution-loving, law & order American.

That's not true. I've mentioned guns and bunkers many times.

1,898 posted on 03/30/2006 9:52:02 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop
No, you're here because you derive some sort of bizarre masochistic pleasure from being publicly humiliated.

Why you like embarrassing yourself is anyone's guess.

BTW, when have I complained to the moderators about anything that's taken place on this thread?

Would you care to point to the specific post, or cite the time stamp?

1,899 posted on 03/30/2006 9:57:59 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
No, you're here because you derive some sort of bizarre masochistic pleasure from being publicly humiliated.

That's much more effective, Buford, when you bring in your "neutral observer" to state how you're kicking my arse all over the thread. Especially with his use of witty boxing references.

BTW, when have I complained to the moderators about anything that's taken place on this thread? Would you care to point to the specific post, or cite the time stamp?

Are you a posse of one? No? Then get over yourself. Ask the mod who got rid of two of your cheerleaders. (Not that they won't soon be back under different names...) I heard they both found a way to voice their opinions fairly quickly after their abrupt departure from here. :-D

Now where do you think they might have gone, Buford?!?

1,900 posted on 03/30/2006 10:01:58 AM PST by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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