Posted on 03/30/2006 4:13:18 PM PST by jimbo123
American reporter Jill Carroll has been released after a three-month hostage ordeal in Iraq and was with US officials inside Baghdad's fortified Green Zone.
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Video interview
A video posted on the internet, which could not be independently verified, showed Ms Carroll in an interview apparently conducted by her captors before they released her.
"Did you think the American army or the CIA (Central Intelligence Agency) would save you at any time," a muffled male voice asked Ms Carroll in accented English.
"Sometimes I thought maybe that they might come, they might find me, they might find a way to know where I am and come get me," she answered.
"Why did not they save you?" asked the interviewer.
"I think the mujahedeen are very smart and even with all the technology and all the people that the American army has here, they still are better at knowing how to live and work here, more clever," she said
"Does this mean something to you?" the man questioning her asked.
"It makes very clear that the mujahedeen are the ones that will win in the end," Ms Carroll said in the video.
At the end of the eight and a half minute tape, the same man read out a statement in Arabic.
"The mujahedeen in the land of the two rivers announce the liberation of the journalist Jill Carroll... after the US forces and the CIA failed to find her making their ineptitude obvious to the whole world," he said.
"We liberate this journalist today after the American government met some of our demands by releasing some of our women prisoners."
(Excerpt) Read more at 9.sbs.com.au ...
So let's see how this shakes out. Three months is a long time to be on death row.
Don't give me this crap that she was able to eloquently talk her way out of capture. These people do not respond to talk, it rings hollow with them. Not only that, but being a woman, they think even LESS of her! I doubt if she was abducted by the people who took Daniel Pearl, she would telling us today how "nice" her captors were.
So was Patti Hurst. You might make the argument that Jill was in Iraq and had islamist sympathies when she got there. But you can't claim that Patti Hurst planned her kidnaping and horrible treatment. Yet in the end, they both did the same things.
Patti Hurst was so susceptable to stockholm syndrome that she married a guard from the jail she was sentenced to.
I think this girl is no different.
She was abducted by the same group that killed Tom Fox ~
Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but that group has claimed responsibility.
People here on FR wished her dead within 10 minutes of her release because of that tape.
Why don't you at least give her some time?
That is basically what I am saying..
If she is working with the terrorists, she IS the enemy. A far worse enemy, in many respects, than the rest of them--she can come home and work against us as a citizen. In my book, that is the very definition of a traitor.
Bergenheim said Friday that Carroll's parents, who spoke to her about the video, told him it was "conducted under duress."
"What emerged was that they actually started filming this tape the night before and then there was a power outage. Jill had been told the questions, asked to translate them from Arabic into English," he told ABC's "Good Morning America."
"When you're making a video and having to recite certain things with three men with machine guns standing over you, you're probably going to say exactly what you're told to say," Bergenheim added.
http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/international/index.ssf?/base/international-30/114381777086510.xml&storylist=international&thispage=2
At least, that's her story NOW. When she was released, she claimed she was never so much as threatened. We will have to agree to disagree on this case--and time will tell which of us is right.
Just a guess on my part, but I think she played the game better than Fox did.
She had been in and around Iraq long enough to know exactly how a woman is "supposed" to act.
She spoke some arabic and most likely the terrorists were convinced that she'd be more useful to them as propaganda.
See my post above. Her statement was given with guns pointed at her head. As I suspected.
If I were forced to wear an abaya for all that time, and actually used it to muffle cries--it would be the first thing to go when I reached safety. She's still wearing hers.
At that point she was only surrounded by Sunni representatives.
I'm just saying we should give her time to hear her side.
I'm ok with agreeing to disagree. :-)
I do, indeed "have a point." Your insulting post does not take into consideration that "hostages" in the past have been proven to be nothing of the sort. There are several examples, but the three Japanese "hostages" and the Italian woman come first to mind. Carroll reminds me of these cases--very much.
It is not out of a lack of compassion that I suspect that she (at the very least) cooperated with these terrorists. It is because of a reasonable skepticism of people who have gone to Iraq, hooked up with the wrong side, and tried to help them--while the terrorists use the publicity and/or ransoms to further their goals and kill more (real) innocents.
I am not part of any "force"--just a skeptical freeper who would rather not close the deal on that bridge in Brooklyn just yet.
Yeah, but Miz, she was still with the Sunnis wearing her abaya. In fact, please do note how far down she wore that stupid thing. She wore it to make darned sure not one hair was exposed - as they're supposed to and as a sign of respect.
Her abaya free smiling picture, which was taken later, was taken when she finally made it to the Americans.
Indeed. Ask the construction workers taken hostage earlier in the war. The differences between the treatment received by them, and this woman, are like night and day.
"Fully in character to all those who know her, Jill has repeatedly expressed concern for Allan and his family, and all the friends and family who've been worrying about her through her ordeal - particularly her parents and her sister."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0331/p01s01-woiq.html?s=t5
To be fair, there are any number of "conversations" on this thread. Perhaps quoting the comments in question might assist us in figuring out which one you're discussing. I have read the entire thread--except, of course, for those posts which have been deleted--and there are several.
Miz, Narby and I were having a side conversation on a related but slightly OT subject, and I let my posting manners slip. This is what I was responding to directly.
Sometimes in the business of looking for common ground with others I become a tad bit oblivious to my surroundings. I think it is a character flaw!
I apologize. Thanks for the call to "get with the program." ; ).
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