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New York City Losing Blacks, Census Shows
NY Times ^ | April 3, 2006 | SAM ROBERTS

Posted on 04/03/2006 8:52:10 PM PDT by neverdem

An accelerating exodus of American-born blacks, coupled with slight declines in birthrates and a slowing influx of Caribbean and African immigrants, have produced a decline in New York City's black population for the first time since the draft riots during the Civil War, according to preliminary census estimates.

An analysis of the latest figures, which show the city with 30,000 fewer black residents in 2004 than in 2000, also revealed stark contrasts in the migration patterns of blacks and whites.

While white New Yorkers are still more likely than blacks to leave the city, they are also more likely to relocate to the nearby suburbs (which is where half the whites move) or elsewhere in the Northeast, or to scatter to other cities and retirement communities across the country. Moreover, New York remains a magnet for whites from most other states.

In contrast, 7 in 10 black people who are moving leave the region altogether. And, unlike black migrants from Chicago, Philadelphia and Detroit, most of them go to the South, especially to Florida, the Carolinas and Georgia. The rest move to states like California, Ohio, Illinois and Michigan with large black populations.

Also, New York has a net loss of blacks to all but five states, and those net gains are minuscule.

"This suggests that the black movement out of New York City is much more of an evacuation than the movement for whites," said William Frey, a demographer for the Brookings Institution, who analyzed migration patterns for The New York Times.

The implications for a city of 8.2 million people could be profound. If the trend continues, not only will the black share of New York's population, which dipped below 25 percent in 2000, continue to decline, particularly if the overall population grows, but a higher proportion of...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Georgia; US: New York; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: blackmigration; blacks; census; migration; newyorkcity; nyc; nydemographics; population; populationshifts; whitemigration
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1 posted on 04/03/2006 8:52:12 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I'm north of NYC, but we've never had a very large black population. ONTH, I've noticed more Hispanics. My particular area does not have great job growth.


2 posted on 04/03/2006 8:54:49 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; hellinahandcart; Chode; ...
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3 posted on 04/03/2006 8:57:23 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem; Cacique; durasell
Two words: Expensive real estate.

There are two types of people leaving NYC these days:

1. Black people who are being priced out of the market. I had a coworker who told me that she was leaving Bed Stuy for New Jersey, because there was no way in hell that she would pay $1400 a month just to live in Bed Stuy.

2. White folk who are being priced out of the market, or who want to raise kids. The former are largely blue collar and low level service workers, the latter folks of all social classes who want to raise their kids in someplace other than a expensive 695 sq.ft. co-op.

New York, like San Francisco and Seattle, is becoming a city of DINKs and SINKs, and the immigrants who provide services to them.

4 posted on 04/03/2006 8:57:47 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: Clemenza; neverdem; durasell; Cacique

THREE WORDS: Expensive Real Estate. I've hit the bottle tonight. ;-)


5 posted on 04/03/2006 8:58:35 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: Clemenza

Pretty much on target.


6 posted on 04/03/2006 8:59:26 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: sageb1
Are the Hispanics in your area new immigrants or native-born Nuyoricans and Dominican Yorks who are moving up from the city?

I know that many 'Ricans and Dominicans are moving to Pennsylvania and the Orlando, Florida area.

7 posted on 04/03/2006 9:00:24 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: Clemenza

NYC is a boom town again. Of course, that could change overnight.


8 posted on 04/03/2006 9:00:31 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Clemenza

DINKs and SINKs???


9 posted on 04/03/2006 9:01:35 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

People grapping with both hands. I doubt there's a city in America that has reaped more financial rewards from the Bush Presidency than NYC.


10 posted on 04/03/2006 9:03:04 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

grapping = grabbing


11 posted on 04/03/2006 9:03:44 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: neverdem

DINKs=Dual Income No Kids
SINKs=Single Income No Kids


12 posted on 04/03/2006 9:06:11 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: neverdem
DINK= Double income, no kids

SINK= Single income, no kids

13 posted on 04/03/2006 9:06:45 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: neverdem

Single Income No Kids

Double Income No Kids


14 posted on 04/03/2006 9:07:11 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: headstamp

I lose. (grin)


15 posted on 04/03/2006 9:08:25 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
The East Stroudsburg, Pa., area, where radio advertisements lured first-time homebuyers, was among the 15 top destinations for black residents leaving New York City. More black New Yorkers moved to Monroe County in the Poconos than to either the Rockland or Orange County suburbs of New York.

As I told you a few weeks ago, the Pennsylvania "exurbs" of New York have become popular with blacks and Latinos (especially Nuyoricans) who can no longer afford to live in the city of close-in suburbs.

16 posted on 04/03/2006 9:08:40 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: durasell
After 9/11, I was told that "real estate would plummet" in New York City.

If I would have bough a condo in Bay Friggin' Ridge, I would have made a gain of at least 50% since then.

17 posted on 04/03/2006 9:09:53 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: neverdem
DINKs and SINKs???

Dual Income No Kids; Single Income No Kids
18 posted on 04/03/2006 9:10:45 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: neverdem

Many blacks are returning back to the South, in areas where their parents or grandparents were born and raised and moved north in the 50s and 60s. Land and housing in the South is cheap and readily available, as well as the jobs created from foreign automakers.


19 posted on 04/03/2006 9:10:48 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

When I was visiting my sister in Greenville, South Carolina I remember seeing three cars with New York plates (an odd site down there, so I took notice). All three were driven by middle age black folks. They were likely part of the migration, as few people from New York visit Greenville to visit unless they have family there.


20 posted on 04/03/2006 9:12:40 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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