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Turnout for rallies expected to be large(southwest Kansas prepare for large protests)
The Hutchinson News ^ | April 8 2006 | Tim Vandenack

Posted on 04/08/2006 12:06:12 PM PDT by aft_lizard

DODGE CITY - On Monday, John Martin, a meatpacker here, plans to skip work to attend a rally aimed at bolstering the call for immigration reform.

"We want the work we do to be valued," he explained. "It's hard work in the plant."

Fellow meatpacker David Gunion seconds that, wondering what would become of the plant without the workers, many of them immigrants. "Without us, the plant dies," he said.

Fliers, e-mails and text messages are circulating like wildfire around southwest Kansas, calling on the zone's sizable Latino population to rally, skip work, skip school and boycott stores Monday to show solidarity with the immigrant cause.

No one knows how many will heed the calls, many of them anonymous. But Gunion, whose plant was targeted by one of the fliers, suspects a large chunk of his cohorts will take off, and some school officials are bracing for the possibility of mass absences.

"There have been kids who've said, 'We're not going to be here,' " said Terry Lee, a social studies instructor at Dodge City Middle School and also the city's mayor.

Vernon Welch, superintendent of Liberal USD 480, said he will arrive early on Monday to prepare in the event of massive no-shows, not only among students, but also among lunchroom workers and other support staff. Leaflets and talk of skipping school also have prevailed there this week.

"We've got a plan in place," Welch said.

With debate in the U.S. Senate continuing on how best to reform the nation's immigration system, immigrants' rights groups and Hispanic advocacy groups are planning rallies for Monday all across the United States. A rally is set for 9:30 a.m. in Garden City - organizers expect 2,000 or more - and another is scheduled for 10 a.m. in Dodge City.

Beyond that, a leaflet making the rounds in Dodge City on the letterhead of a group called the Hispanic Union of Telluride, Colo., calls for workers to skip work on Monday and for students to stay home. It also calls for a one-day boycott of all stores and services to protest "unjust, unconstitutional and inhumane anti-immigrant initiatives" and to pressure for "fair, humane and ordered" change.

Similarly, an unsigned leaflet circulating in Liberal denounces a controversial U.S. House of Representatives proposal, HR 4437, and calls, indirectly, on workers to steer clear of work on Monday. HR 4437, decried by many churches and Hispanic advocacy groups, calls for construction of a wall between the United States and Mexico and would make it a felony to aid illegal immigrants.

"If no Hispanic in the United States goes to work this day, we will demonstrate that (the country) really needs our sweat," says the leaflet. "Or go and work and continue being humiliated, discriminated against, jailed, deported or murdered by racist people."

Members of Liberal's Cinco de Mayo Committee, which organizes an annual celebration around Mexico's May 5 holiday, had been planning an event for Monday as a show of solidarity with calls for immigrant reform. But they canceled the plans in light of the letter as well as what they see as lack of clarity from federal officials on the direction of immigration reform.

"There was really nothing there we could be solid about," said Cinco de Mayo Committee Chairman Jack Cooley, referring to U.S. Senate efforts at immigration reform. "Then all these rumors started going and everything else."

Welch said mass e-mails also are being used to spread the word, and Concha Aragon, head of a southwest Kansas advocacy group called Hispanics United, said some students are receiving anonymous text messages about skipping class.

Amid the flurry, some are calling on the zone's Hispanics to keep their appointments with work and school and warning that doing otherwise can hurt the immigrant and Latino cause.

Onesimo Aranda, head of the Regional Latino Affairs Council in Dodge City, an advocacy group, said contacting elected leaders is the way to demonstrate.

"We don't want to promote anything that's going to hurt the (Hispanic) community," he said. "We're trying to build them up."

Sister Janice Thome, a member of the Dominican Sisters Ministry of Presence and one of the organizers of the Garden City rally, said going to class instead of skipping will demonstrate Latino students' dedication to education. That, in turn, will help in efforts to open up universities to undocumented students, she says.

For its part, National Beef, in a letter distributed to workers this week, questioned the wisdom of skipping work as a form of protest, touting contact with elected leaders instead. The letter alluded to Latino efforts to demonstrate their importance to the U.S. economy and Hispanic opposition to HR 4437.

"We at National Beef already know that we need our Hispanic work force," the letter stated. "We disagree that not working is the best way to express your disapproval of this bill."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; dodgecity; gardencity; hispandering; hispanics; illegal; illegals; immigrants; immigrationreform; liberal; meatpacking; natlrite2cutnlineday; outsourcethesenate; protesting
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These protestors better behave, they have been widely accepted throughout this part of Kansas, and it is generally one of the more conservative areas of the state. They start waving any nationalities flag other than Americas they will quickly begin to lose any support they have in the communities.
1 posted on 04/08/2006 12:06:16 PM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: aft_lizard; HiJinx
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant!


2 posted on 04/08/2006 12:07:24 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: aft_lizard

They are not IMMIGRANTS, they are ILLEGAL ALIENS!


3 posted on 04/08/2006 12:14:57 PM PDT by NRA1995 (Let's all leave the US and return as undocumented immigrants)
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To: aft_lizard

http://www.nationalbeef.com/contactUs.stm


http://www.wehirealiens.com


4 posted on 04/08/2006 12:14:59 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: aft_lizard

Seems to me if the meat packing plants are in that kind of danger of closing then how can they afford to close EVEN for one day?This whole thing is a ruse to change people's thinking and has NO basis in fact.


5 posted on 04/08/2006 12:18:04 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: axes_of_weezles

I will tell you something about meatpackers in Kansas, they will only hire a non-hispanic if its there last resort or if they need to hire for a job that requires an education. Excel,IBP and National Beef, each and everyone of them where the same, and they do hire illegals by the buttloads.

BTW I used to work at both Excel and National Beef(before national beef they were called Farmland and they mostly hired english speaking citizens but when they were sold to National Beef(or was it a merger?Cant remember) there hiring practices changed incredibly.)


6 posted on 04/08/2006 12:21:18 PM PDT by aft_lizard (....)
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To: aft_lizard
"We at National Beef already know that we need our Hispanic illegal work force," the letter stated. "We disagree that not working is the best way to express your disapproval of this bill."

More accurate.

7 posted on 04/08/2006 12:22:28 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: aft_lizard

In Texas, the students are supposed to stay in school until 10:00 to be counted present for the day so the schools can get their daily attendance money from the state. If I had children in those schools, I would keep them home for the entire day. Let the schools do without that money because absolutely NO learning will take place that day anyway.


8 posted on 04/08/2006 12:23:25 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY

Something is wrong anyways, I went to Frys Food here in phoenix and a pound of hamburgers was literally more expensive than a 1 lb ribeye steak, first time I can remember seeing something like that.


9 posted on 04/08/2006 12:24:01 PM PDT by aft_lizard (....)
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To: aft_lizard

Why do I think that those communities will cave?

I hope you prove me wrong.


10 posted on 04/08/2006 12:24:51 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: aft_lizard

It's an old marketing trick. If hamburger is not selling, raise the price of steak & roast. If steaks aren't selling, raise the price of hamburger. They cover their profit margin no matter what they do.


11 posted on 04/08/2006 12:31:47 PM PDT by panaxanax
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To: aft_lizard

It's nice to see we have these commie invaders in every section of our country. It's also nice to see they get such good support for our fellow americans. Good job all! I hope you enjoy learning Spanish along with your future Arabic lessons. Iberia circa 1400 here we come!


12 posted on 04/08/2006 12:35:12 PM PDT by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: aft_lizard

Do they obey the labor laws or not?


13 posted on 04/08/2006 12:37:44 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: axes_of_weezles

I was browsing through wehirealiens when I found the company I work for listed. I have emailed them to please retract. It is absolutely not true my company hires illegals. Apparently someone went to a site where a store was being built and a bunch of aliens ran away when OSHA showed up. These would be employees of the building contractor, Tom Tancredo found himself in the same situation when building a basement. The company I work for is very pro America, very right wing (for example we are not allowed to buy goods from Viet Nam for fear of offending the veterans employed there). The site should not just go off one person's word, they should be more careful about who they name on there, they need to check it out first.


14 posted on 04/08/2006 12:44:26 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: ozarkgirl

The site just forwards reports. If the company you work for has lawful hiring practices, they should be able to invite scrutiny of their hiring practices.

Since the Bush administration has only prosecuted 3 companies for hiring illegals this year, no company is scared.

The senators keep ICE and INS from conducting raids on their businesses.

If you are concerned with the bad publicity, I think FAIR is reasonable enough to withdraw the comments.

There has to be an outlet to publicize illegal hiring conduct of employees. The media and govt sure as heck will not.


15 posted on 04/08/2006 12:49:40 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: bill1952

You might be right, they are probably about 50% or more Hispanic(and thats just the legal ones) and a huge amount of integration has gone on there, in Dodge City( my old home town) there are almost no nightclubs for English speakers so everybody pretty much goes to 'latino' clubs, and there entire economies are pretty much tied to nothing but the meatpacking inductries.


16 posted on 04/08/2006 1:02:57 PM PDT by aft_lizard (....)
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To: aft_lizard
the zone's sizable Latino population

Yes it's no man's land. Geez louise...

17 posted on 04/08/2006 1:03:23 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
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To: ClaireSolt

Who needs labor laws when you have the UFCW to threaten you whenever you want to fire somebody with a non-matching SSN, plus it is incredibly easy to come up with proper paperwork, a few people who work for the DMV have been arrested in DOdge City over the years for provided drivers licenses and other things.


18 posted on 04/08/2006 1:08:16 PM PDT by aft_lizard (....)
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To: ozarkgirl; Howlin
I was browsing through wehirealiens when I found the company I work for listed.

Now perhaps you understand the error of the extremists. Simply upon the utterance of a single person (or spokesperson), your business may be destroyed. Never mind reasonable cause, a warrant naming the specific crime, and describing the exact person. It is all fun and games until the pack mentality of wehirealiens and those calling for the violent expulsion of people hits YOU. "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." People had better make certain that they have facts before slandering me or my business. It IS a federal crime to file a false report with ICE or CBP.

19 posted on 04/08/2006 1:19:04 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: axes_of_weezles; ozarkgirl

You are a piece of work. Your pet site is extorting innocent business, and you tell another FReeper "don't worry about it. After you company is ruined and convicted in the court of public opinion, they can go down and prove that they did nothing wrong". A pox upon you. And please donate a lot more money to your pet website. They are going to need it for the litigation. If they are still running next week.


20 posted on 04/08/2006 1:29:24 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: aft_lizard

"We've got a plan in place," Welch said.



That plan should include mass expulsions. Let them have an extended sumnmer vacation and have them repeat their current grade levels next year.


21 posted on 04/08/2006 1:38:08 PM PDT by trubluolyguy ((C))
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To: aft_lizard

Lots of illegals living in that area, lots.


22 posted on 04/08/2006 1:39:50 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Skip the lecture.

You and your "business" don't own me, or my opinions.

Some of us are sick of the hispanderers, and could care less of our unelected "business" overlords like you.

Berate me all you will.

http://www.online-literature.com/view.php/animalfarm/10?term=more%20equal

ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL
BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS


23 posted on 04/08/2006 1:42:04 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: ARealMothersSonForever; ozarkgirl

Now perhaps you understand the error of the extremists




Of courseto some people, if you advocate enforcing labor and immigration law, you are an extremist.


24 posted on 04/08/2006 1:44:06 PM PDT by trubluolyguy ((C))
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To: aft_lizard

I say to those who skip work that day don't bother coming back the next day. You won't have a job.


25 posted on 04/08/2006 1:51:01 PM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: axes_of_weezles
Letter to Joshua F. Speed

August 24, 1855

I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we begin by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty-to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy.
http://www.nps.gov/liho/writer/immigran.htm I respect Abraham Lincoln, and share his opinion. Do you?

26 posted on 04/08/2006 1:53:02 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: NRA1995

They are not IMMIGRANTS, they are ILLEGAL ALIENS!

Let's not forget Foreign Invaders!


27 posted on 04/08/2006 1:53:35 PM PDT by Isabelle
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To: Isabelle

The illegal invasion has concentrated the attention of Americans on the nature of democracy and its central bulwark against anarchy---our Constitution and the rule of law.

The arrogance of these illegal mental midgets---- lettuce pickers and hamburger flippers. These imbeciles actually believe wavng the Mexican flag in our faces helps their case.


Some lowlife drug lord actually told these morons that Americans are a bunch of suckers who cannot see past the smoke and mirrors, and that we would sit still for their abhorent immigration amnesty bill.

The drug cadres, the pushers and smugglers, are hiding behind the backsides of vote-hungry US elected officials bandying about the bill that treats these lawbreakers better than law-abiding US citizens.

No one is impressed by this conspiracy of spineless marionettes dancing limply on the strings of corruption, manipulated by the unseen alien horde puppetmasters lurking behind the scenes, ready to pounce on US assets.


28 posted on 04/08/2006 1:56:38 PM PDT by Liz (Liberty consists in having the power to do that which is permitted by the law. Cicero)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Keep on hispandering. You are the one calling me an "extremist". There comes a time when you go with the flow or you do what is morally and socially responsible.

Pointing out lawbreaking is not morally or otherwise reprehensible.

Like I said in my previous post.
"ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS"

What gives Mexicans the right to jump ahead of all other immigrants, other than proximity?

Are Mexicans better than Ecuadorans, South Africans, Hatians, Indians, Russians, Chinese, Philipinos, Liberians or any others that wish to immigrate to the USA?

Do you support the current efforts by the Hispandering communities to allow amnesty for the illegal aliens in the US?

Do you hire illegal aliens?




29 posted on 04/08/2006 2:16:52 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: aft_lizard

"DODGE CITY" Kansas

Marshall Matt Dillon would have all the illegals out of town by sunset!


30 posted on 04/08/2006 2:23:56 PM PDT by toomanylaws
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To: aft_lizard
Hmmmm...Southwest Kansas...meatpacking plants.

OK, we'll give the illegals that one, but no more!!!

31 posted on 04/08/2006 2:29:06 PM PDT by NeonKnight (We don't believe you, you need more people.)
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To: aft_lizard; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...


Kansas? Ping!

Sorry, Dodge City never struck me as being Southwest...Liberal, maybe, not Dodge.

But I do understand the meatpackers being concerned, a huge portion of their labor is supposed to be illegal.

32 posted on 04/08/2006 5:57:30 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.proudpatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~)
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To: HiJinx

Ahhh maybe not Southwest as in Southwest US but its definately SWestern Kansas, on a side note the first Catholic mass held in the interior north of the Rio Grande was 9 miles west of Dodge City by Coronado.


33 posted on 04/08/2006 6:15:48 PM PDT by aft_lizard (....)
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To: HiJinx

News and Houston Chronicle say at least 10,000 suppose to protest here Monday. Candle light vigil at St. Thomas University.


34 posted on 04/08/2006 7:13:03 PM PDT by exhaustedmomma (Calling illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is like calling a burglar an uninvited house guest)
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To: aft_lizard

I was stationed at Ft. Riley and drove through Dodge City about a dozen times in three years.

FWIW, I never considered it SW Kansas...I always reserved that appelation for Liberal.


35 posted on 04/08/2006 8:54:39 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.proudpatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~)
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To: HiJinx
Well I don't consider Liberal as SW Kansas. Only Elkhart qualifies.

I used to live in Garden City and Dodge is definitely part of SW Kansas.

36 posted on 04/08/2006 8:58:58 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog; aft_lizard

Sheesh...can't you two just leave a guy to be wrong in peace?


37 posted on 04/08/2006 9:06:36 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.proudpatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

How about an apology.


wehirealiens
From ozarkgirl | 04/08/2006 6:39:50 PM PDT replied

I don't know if my email did it or you had anything to do with it but XXXX XXX is now gone from illegal alien hires. I would like to tell arealmotherssonforever but I think I'll just let it go. He sure had a heyday with it. I'm sorry if it caused you discomfort, I certainly didn't mean that. Judging by your email to him, I'd say it didn't worry you too much.

If my company wasn't so darn patriotic I would have let it go too but they are a wonderful American company and I hate to see that happen to them.


38 posted on 04/08/2006 11:11:44 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles

I like the website - I just checked the Kansas page and *gasp* I ate at Applebee's tonight, but not the one in Overland Park. Oy.


39 posted on 04/08/2006 11:55:48 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: axes_of_weezles; ozarkgirl
How about an apology.

ozarkgirl, I am terribly sorry that a website pimped by axes_of_weezles sullied the image of the fine company that you work for. Can you please find it within you to forgive me for remaining steadfast in my conviction that all men are created equal, presumed innocent, and deserving of equal treatment under the law?

40 posted on 04/09/2006 8:34:54 AM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

I am okay, you have your convictions and I support your right as an American to stand behind them. I had to laugh a time or two, you did have some fun with that! I especially like "they roasted one of theirs on the pyre and then told her to put some ice on it".

You do NOT owe me an apology. You took what what you were given and ran with it, can't blame you, I would have done the same. I didn't want to cause any discomfort to him because I do agree in principal with axes position.



41 posted on 04/09/2006 9:36:31 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: ozarkgirl
Glad you are OK. I do not relish in the misery of others. Unless they stand for a principle of oppression and the denial of basic God given rights. Such tyrants and despots deserve the scorn of all patriots, even all of humankind.
42 posted on 04/09/2006 10:07:50 AM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: aft_lizard

When they start pushing their home country, they might as well shoot off flares and air raid sirens. Many citizens are suddenly alarmed and wonder what is going on and don't like what they see. Not at all. The countless fallacies in their foreigner arguments don't help them either. Every sentence is BS.


43 posted on 04/09/2006 10:13:17 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

You just don't give up do you? :) Trying to force your opinion on others could be considered a form of oppression. I share the opinion of almost every one on these threads, that one country overtaking ours without a shot fired is cowardice. We must protect America from foreign invaders. It is just one country that is invading. I believe in limited immigration from all countries around the world, not one country deliberately ignoring our borders and overtaking America. I liken it to standing in line at a movie theatre, you're standing there, you're gonna pay when get to the front, then all of a sudden, a bunch of people from nowhere butt in front of the rest, not only going directly in front of them but not even paying to get in. That is very unfair and unAmerican. I do not want people who would do that in my country (or in my line at the movie theatre). You would be ok with that, standing in line waiting while a bunch of people went in front of you and didn't pay?


44 posted on 04/09/2006 10:37:17 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: Liz
You are right on! Plus the arrogance of the Mexican Gov. laughing their a$$e$ off as the tax payers of this country being forced to pay taxes on their poor who they encourage and aide to invade our country.
I just wish I knew what it is going to take to get 'our" politicians to be on our side for a change. I've been writing letter's ect, ect. Wish we could start a new party--call it "We the People"Party and get rid of alot of the traders in office now.
45 posted on 04/09/2006 10:58:57 AM PDT by Isabelle
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To: Liz; All
Don't think for a minute that these immigration protesters are sending a benign message by wearing "white" is a symbol of peace.

I remember, way back when, when I was in high school in the LA Unified School District...they started bussing from San Fernando, to my old Jr. High (caucasian mostly), in the west end of the Valley.

The kids from SF thought that when the football players wore their jerseys on Friday, it was some type of "gang."

So, the SF kids, all took their outer (pendelton) shirts off, and wore their white T-shirts to show "solidarity," and were prepared to fight.

A purely plain white t-shirt is also a garment of Latino gang-bangers, and in the old days that -- along with perfectly pressed khakis and a Pendleton shirt -- was the uniform.

A symbol of peace?? B.S.!

46 posted on 04/09/2006 11:07:38 AM PDT by kstewskis (The Gospel of McPain: thugs, murderers, and terrorists doing the jobs Americans just won't do!)
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To: aft_lizard
"If no Hispanic in the United States goes to work this day, we will demonstrate that (the country) really needs our sweat," says the leaflet. "Or go and work and continue being humiliated, discriminated against, jailed, deported or murdered by racist people."

If it's that bad here, why are they here? And, as usual, a blurring of the line between legal and illegal. No, not a blurring but an erasuring. I am really biting my tongue not to call the guy who made this comment Debra Barone's favorite epithet for Raymond.

susie

47 posted on 04/09/2006 11:26:07 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: kittymyrib

Well, the state also ought to have someone there officially to *help* them with their count to be sure the number of kids in attendance is accurate.
susie


48 posted on 04/09/2006 11:27:43 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Hmmm this has nothing to do with race and everything to do with illegal aliens. You can promote more legal immigration from any country you would like and try to pass LAWS (there's that troublesome little word) that allow a large immigration. That's your right as an American. However, getting angry at people because they think our laws should be followed until such a time as they are changed does not seem like a good plan.
susie


49 posted on 04/09/2006 11:35:00 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: kstewskis; Isabelle

No question, the deciding factor in killing the bill were Americans, disgusted at vote-hungry US politicians, all puckered up, ready to assume the Hyphenate-Fellate position for political gain.


Bandying about a bill that treats these drugged-out lawbreakers better than law-abiding US citizens was about as dumb as you can get.

And we can't discount the arrogance of the illegals protesting in the streets. The mental midgets actually believe waving the Mexican flag in our faces helps their case.

Lowlife drug lords, dealers and pushers, lurking behind the scenes, actually told these dupes that Americans are a bunch of suckers, that we would sit still for this atrocity----amnesty bill.

A pity these dumb amnesty pushers didn't factor in that Americans can spot a hidden agenda a mile away.


50 posted on 04/09/2006 11:48:05 AM PDT by Liz (Liberty consists in having the power to do that which is permitted by the law. Cicero)
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