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1999 Document Chemical Platoons Applied Training In Chemical Lab to Detect Nerve Agents, VX Agents..
Pentagon/FMSO Iraq Pre-war documents. ^
| April 10 2006
| jveritas
Posted on 04/10/2006 11:17:03 AM PDT by jveritas
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To: expatpat
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posted on
04/10/2006 11:45:24 AM PDT
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
To: jveritas
They do training tournament every three months or so and each tournament last for three to four weeks. Exactly who is undergoing this training? I mean, if it was every unit in the Iraqi army, that would be, well, strange. Spending 1/3 of your training time on chemical warfare is just bizarre.
If those were specially-designated chamical platoons, then that's probably about right because that's their specialty. I imagine our NBC platoons probably do at least the same.
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posted on
04/10/2006 11:47:06 AM PDT
by
XJarhead
To: expatpat
No I cannot point to you a declared "OFFENSIVE TRAINING PROGRAM" by the Iraqis because you will not find it in any documents including those Pre 1991 era where they were not worried at all about the world knowing that they have chemical weapons. As I said before even in this pre-1991 ear they called the Chemical training program as defensive measures. However we need to remember the most important part here:
After 1991 Iraq was absolutely prohibited from having any Chemical Weapons Agents no matter how small the quantity is and no matter whether it was for defensive or offensive purposes. This applied training in the Chemical Field Laboratory using Live Chemical Agents like VX, Nerve Agents, Mustard Gas, was against every UN resolution.
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posted on
04/10/2006 11:47:36 AM PDT
by
jveritas
(Hate can never win elections.)
To: jveritas
THANK you for doing this, j!!
As I see this forum deteriorating into madness out there, it is YOUR work that keeps me hopeful that there is still a point to all this.
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posted on
04/10/2006 11:49:18 AM PDT
by
ohioWfan
(PROUD Mom of an Iraqi LIBERATION Vet! THANKS, son!!.)
To: XJarhead
XJarhead
They were Chemical Platoon and other members of the Iraqi military, however it was the Chemical platoons that conducted the training.
Please keep in mind that Iraq was not supposed to be treated like any other army when it comes to Chemical Warfare including his Chemical Platoon training. They were not supposed at all to have any Chemical Weapons agent even if it is a small quantity. We simply cannot compare our NBC platoon training to that of the Iraqi and assume that the Iraqi have the same right of training as our NBC units.
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posted on
04/10/2006 11:51:31 AM PDT
by
jveritas
(Hate can never win elections.)
To: jveritas
After 1991 Iraq was absolutely prohibited from having any Chemical Weapons Agents no matter how small the quantity is and no matter whether it was for defensive or offensive purposes. This applied training in the Chemical Field Laboratory using Live Chemical Agents like VX, Nerve Agents, Mustard Gas, was against every UN resolution. BTTT
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posted on
04/10/2006 11:51:54 AM PDT
by
eyespysomething
(American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
To: chillout
Here's the latest document translation.
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posted on
04/10/2006 11:52:23 AM PDT
by
SittinYonder
(That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
To: jveritas
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posted on
04/10/2006 11:55:17 AM PDT
by
BenLurkin
(O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
To: jveritas
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posted on
04/10/2006 12:00:11 PM PDT
by
conservatism_IS_compassion
(The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
To: All
In one Iraqi Document dated 1998 the UN inspection teams made a big deal out the word Special found on a folder in the Al Qadysia airbase. If the word "Special" created such a reaction from the UN inspectors, then I guarantee for you that the UN inspectors did not know about this secret Chemical training using Live Nerve Agent, VX Agents, Mustard Gas, in Chemical Field Laboratories else this would have created a major world wide incident back then.
As I said before the Chemical training top secret memos in 1994, 1996 were written on the back of papers that has English text in the front. The English texts were about standard construction information using water and cement, etc... This was clearly a deception scheme by the Iraqis to hide the information of Chemical training programs from UN inspectors, because in that period the UN inspectors were still in Iraq because the UN inspectors were in Iraq up to 1998 and they were kicked after that and not return until November 2002.
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posted on
04/10/2006 12:05:28 PM PDT
by
jveritas
(Hate can never win elections.)
To: jveritas
We simply cannot compare our NBC platoon training to that of the Iraqi and assume that the Iraqi have the same right of training as our NBC units. I honestly don't know if that's correct. I recall during the invasion that we captured some very small quantities of agents that were considered to be only for detection purposes, rather than offensive use. And nobody really considered that to be an issue. And in fairness, I don't think it should have been.
The legit purpose of the resolutions was to prevent them from using chemical weapons on the battlefield, not preventing them from protecting themselves against someone else's use. I don't think anyone here would have supported a war if the sole basis is that the Iraqis had kept tiny quantities of chems for use in detection kits and defensive training. I'm as pro-war as they come, and I don't think that would have justified anything.
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posted on
04/10/2006 12:17:01 PM PDT
by
XJarhead
To: jveritas
Thanks for the link in your post and the clarification of the UN violations concerning Chemical and Biological Weapons to the other readers. The MSM in the US and the administration is playing dumb because of info we have found that most likely implicates the under the table dealings from 1991-2000 of UN Security Council members regarding this exact subject. Notice how France and Germany have STFU'd about slamming the US in Iraq?
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posted on
04/10/2006 12:18:34 PM PDT
by
RSmithOpt
(Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
To: jveritas
The UN weapons inspectors hired a US firm to conduct geophysical investigations during the time period from approximately 1997-98 for possible buried items in Iraq. Included among their "finds"were areas where the geophysical people's electromagnetics determined there were dumped chemicals. It was clear that part of the Iraqi's method for beating the system was to dump/bury suspect items before the weapons inspectors could find them.
The geophysics people described the Iraq country side pristine as compared to lots of buried wires, pipes, etc. in the US.
To: RSmithOpt
Notice how France and Germany have STFU'd about slamming the US in Iraq?
I think that has more to do with the change in the govt of Germany than anything else.
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posted on
04/10/2006 12:20:57 PM PDT
by
saganite
(The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
To: jveritas
You make me want to learn Arabic so I can help you out with this.
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posted on
04/10/2006 12:23:01 PM PDT
by
July 4th
(A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
To: XJarhead
All this is true if it was not SADDAM HUSSEIN. However since it was Saddam military who used Chemicals Weapons for offensive purposes more than any other military in history then we simply cannot allow them to possess any type of Chemical weapons agents even for a small quantity even for a defensive purpose, because if they were still in power and the appropriate time would have come they would have produce these type of weapons at much larger scale for offensive purposes.
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posted on
04/10/2006 12:26:27 PM PDT
by
jveritas
(Hate can never win elections.)
To: Western Phil
Thank you for the information.
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posted on
04/10/2006 12:27:04 PM PDT
by
jveritas
(Hate can never win elections.)
To: RSmithOpt
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posted on
04/10/2006 12:27:48 PM PDT
by
jveritas
(Hate can never win elections.)
To: July 4th
I will be glad to teach you :)
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posted on
04/10/2006 12:32:09 PM PDT
by
jveritas
(Hate can never win elections.)
To: jveritas
we simply cannot allow them to possess any type of Chemical weapons agents even for a small quantity even for a defensive purpose, I'm not sure that was even a part of the ceasefire or resolutions.
because if they were still in power and the appropriate time would have come they would have produce these type of weapons at much larger scale for offensive purposes.
But they could have produced them on a large scale anyway, regardless of whether they'd kept small amounts or not. When you're talking about trace amounts for testing and producing large amounts for offensive use, one has nothing to do with the other.
Like I said, I'd hate to see us push this point because it just isn't very strong. I think you'll find more military types agreeing with me on that.
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posted on
04/10/2006 12:33:49 PM PDT
by
XJarhead
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