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March 2003 Top Secret Memo: TRANSFER OF SPECIAL AMMUNITION (POTENTIAL CHEMICAL WEAPONS) Translation
Pentagon/FMSO Iraq Pre-War Documents ^ | April 17 2007 | jveritas

Posted on 04/17/2006 8:40:37 AM PDT by jveritas

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To: SittinYonder
Thanks for the two articles. I should have remembered reading that one about the mole but I didn't :-(
181 posted on 04/17/2006 3:44:01 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: jveritas

Bump.


182 posted on 04/17/2006 3:45:07 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("left unchecked, Saddam Hussein...will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton)
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Sorry, got to the party late...
Attaboy, jveritas! Don't burn out though. Make sure you get your mind off of documents and on to some R&R periodically.

Since most of the important comments have already been made, I'll stick to the lighter stuff by pointing out that you guys are all wrong.

SPECIAL WEAPONS ARE THE ONES THAT GET FIRED FROM A SHORT YELLOW TUBE!


183 posted on 04/17/2006 3:45:39 PM PDT by james500
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To: Spunky
Hugh Hewitt Scroll down he has a write up on this thread.
184 posted on 04/17/2006 3:46:47 PM PDT by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Spunky

No problem ... just had to get home from work to find them. That's the great thing about FR. I forget three times as much as I ever remember, but someone else can always remind me.


185 posted on 04/17/2006 3:48:11 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: jveritas; Coop

Kudos, for the heavy lifting, JV. Let me second Coop's excellent point and add one more: Cross-link (read "footnote the Hell out of") as much of this as possible. The loony left won't buy in, anyway, but it won't be for a dearth of factual data exposing the cavernous divergence between reality and their perception of it.

Keep updated off-site backups of your hard drive volume(s) or, better, operate synchronized mirror volumes at multiple locations. Insurance against the "prone to sudden disappearance" characteristic of some kinds of information.

Ka-BUMP!


186 posted on 04/17/2006 4:10:26 PM PDT by HKMk23 (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: eyespysomething

"The spelling of names...

Rasheed and Rashid.

Al Mira, Al Mirah, Al-Mirah, Al-Mira

Abdallah and Abdullah.

Are these still the same, even with the different spellings? Does Al Mirah mean the mirror?"

Hard to say, but many names don't have a common spelling even though many linguists use a common arabic dictionary.


187 posted on 04/17/2006 4:27:06 PM PDT by RayRobisonblog
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To: SittinYonder

absolutely, especially when you consider that there is ubdoubtedly internal Iraq sources that have never been revealed for their own protection.


188 posted on 04/17/2006 4:29:00 PM PDT by RayRobisonblog
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

thank you


189 posted on 04/17/2006 4:29:48 PM PDT by RayRobisonblog
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To: jveritas
jveritas,

Is their any clue in the document what the 14.7mm and 23 mm shells were for? Were they actually called 'special ammo' or were they along for the ride as defensive use munitions?

I think they are too small to be chemical munitions.
190 posted on 04/17/2006 4:30:06 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: avacado

sure thing, it concerned me as well


191 posted on 04/17/2006 4:31:10 PM PDT by RayRobisonblog
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To: Dog; Coop; jveritas; SittinYonder; eyespysomething
Extensive writeup at Powerline:

Saddam's Archives: We're Getting Warmer
April 17, 2006

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As regular readers know, we've been cautious about drawing conclusions from the tiny number of Iraqi documents that have so far been made public under Project Harmony. But today, jveritas at Free Republic, whose translation efforts we linked to here, has come up with what appears to be a highly significant memorandum.

This is how he introduces the translation:..........

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See beginning of this thread or the link.....

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The apparent significance of this document requires no elaboration. Transferring a load of ordinary munitions from Najaf to Baghdad would presumably not require the approval of the Army's Chief of Staff; nor would it be the subject of a top secret memo; nor would arrangements for "special vehicles" be necessary. Hugh Hewitt writes:

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More at the Powerline Link above..........

192 posted on 04/17/2006 4:31:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: jveritas; RayRobisonblog; Dog; Coop

You guys need to see some of the questions being raised on the Powerline Blog,...see link above....


193 posted on 04/17/2006 4:39:00 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; jveritas

Interesting the Powerline readers say the munitions are too small to deliver WMD. Is there another meaning of "special ammunition"?

The 14.5 mm round was used originally for anti-tank rounds, though by the 1950s it was no longer effective against tanks but remained effective against other armored vehicles.

It's also a Russian round. Wonder if the "special ammunition" is what Russia gave them?


194 posted on 04/17/2006 4:39:43 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; jveritas; eyespysomething

The first priority ammunition from the document is all large enough to deliver WMD. jveritas ... is there anything about the document that might suggest why one was first priority and one was second priority? Does the classification of first vs. second priority mean something more than what's obvious (ie. is "priority" a code word for something else or can it be translated in another way)?


195 posted on 04/17/2006 4:43:11 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Is there a way I can log in at Powerline and answer some of the questions?


196 posted on 04/17/2006 4:43:25 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: SittinYonder
Why are they focusing on the 14.5 mm and 23 mm caliber shells which was listed as a second priority and not focus on the 122 mm, 130 mm, and 155 mm caliber shells that were listed as first priority and that were traditionally used to deliver Chemical Weapons. The Word "SPECIAL" in Iraq is not used loosely. In fact the Iraqi did a huge investigation of the AL Qadisya Air Force base after the UN found a file that has the word "Special on it". The Al Qadisya air force base and all military bases were instructed not to show anything called "Special".

Special Ammunition is not any other ammunition, what is special about 155 mm shells if it does not contain Chemical Weapons. The Iraqi used the term "Special Ammunition" exclusively to designate "Chemical Weapons".

197 posted on 04/17/2006 4:49:20 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: SittinYonder; Ernest_at_the_Beach; eyespysomething
The document was clear that the heavier caliber "Special ammunition" shells carry the higher priority for transfer and relocation.

Most of this 262 pages document is about spreading different types of ammunitions, and only this 9 pages top secret memo use the term "Special Ammunition". As I said before this term is not loosely used by the Iraqis it is a very specific term to designate "Chemical Weapons Ammunition".

198 posted on 04/17/2006 4:53:54 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Tarpon

Conventional air defense munitions.


199 posted on 04/17/2006 4:54:19 PM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop

Yeah I hear you, but is there any reason that conventional ammo would be on the manifest along with the chemical munitions? Seems odd that they were consigned the same "special" status, even though they were cat 'B'.

I was wondering if there was anywhere in the document that would further explain.


200 posted on 04/17/2006 4:56:40 PM PDT by Tarpon
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