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Minutemen to Bush: Build Fence or We Will
Associated Press ^ | ARTHUR H. ROTSTEIN

Posted on 04/20/2006 6:12:54 AM PDT by 300magnum

TUCSON, Ariz. - Minuteman border watch leader Chris Simcox has a message for President Bush: Build new security fencing along the border with Mexico or private citizens will.

Simcox said Wednesday that he's sending an ultimatum to the president, through the media, of course — "You can't get through to the president any other way" — to deploy military reserves and the National Guard to the Arizona border by May 25.

Or, Simcox said, by the Memorial Day weekend Minuteman Civil Defense Corps volunteers and supporters will break ground to start erecting fencing privately.

"We have had landowners approach," Simcox said in an interview. "We've been working on this idea for a while. We're going to show the federal government how easy it is to build these security fences, how inexpensively they can be built when built by private people and free enterprise."

Simcox said a half-dozen landowners along the Arizona-Mexico border have said they will allow fencing to be placed on their borderlands, and others in California, Texas and New Mexico have agreed to do so as well.

"Certainly, as with everything else, we're only able to cover a small portion of the border," Simcox said. "The state and federal government have bought up most of the land around the border. I suspect that's why we'll never get control of the border."

But he said the plan is to put up secure fencing that truly will be an effective deterrent, and to show how easily it can be accomplished.

Simcox gave this description of the envisioned barrier-and-fencing complex:

Start with a 6-foot deep trench so a vehicle can't crash through; behind it, roll of concertina (coiled, razor-edged barbed wire), in front of a 15-foot high heavy-gauge steel mesh fence angled outward at the top.

Behind the fence will be a 60- to 70-foot wide unpaved but graded dirt road, along with inexpensive, mounted video cameras that can be monitored from home computers. On the other side of the road will be a second, 15-foot fence, with more concertina wire on its outside.

"It's a very simple, effective design based on feedback we've had from Border Patrol and the military," Simcox said. "It's a fence that can be built on the cheap, effective and secure."

Simcox said supporters will try to build the fencing with volunteer labor. Surveyors and contractors have offered to help with the design and survey work, he said, and some have said they will provide heavy equipment.

Simcox said those involved in the planning hope to keep costs to between $125 and $150 a foot.

Access to land literally on the border is an issue because so much is state-leased trust property or federally owned, he said.

"You may have to deal with a situation where private property owners erect their own fences and may be faced with the president sending the National Guard to prevent them from protecting their private property," Simcox said.

He said the Minuteman plan is "to keep turning up the heat" until President Bush has to respond somehow.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: borderfence; bordersecurity; bushamnesty; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; invasionusa; minutemen; openborders
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1 posted on 04/20/2006 6:12:56 AM PDT by 300magnum
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To: 300magnum

Hilarious. (Doubtless the admin. will dig up a dusty law that says you can't build a fence on an international border without govt. approval.)


2 posted on 04/20/2006 6:17:33 AM PDT by hershey
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To: 300magnum

They should create a "wall fund" I'd donate right away.


3 posted on 04/20/2006 6:19:11 AM PDT by HHKrepublican_2 (www.Rogers2006.com)
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To: hershey

If its private property, they can build a theme park on it for all the Gov't can do.


4 posted on 04/20/2006 6:20:14 AM PDT by HHKrepublican_2 (www.Rogers2006.com)
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To: 300magnum
Let's see if Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano is sent packing in November and then we'll see just how much of a fence there will be built.




5 posted on 04/20/2006 6:20:31 AM PDT by G.Mason (Others have died for my freedom; now this is my mark ... Marine Corporal Jeffrey Starr, KIA 04-30-05)
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To: 300magnum

Great idea!!!!
Perhaps we should inform our gutless, ballless, clueless congress-critters( mine are Kind, Kohl, and Findsgold.......can't describe them any better) that this year our donations go to the fence fund rather than their campain funds


6 posted on 04/20/2006 6:21:58 AM PDT by newcthem (Thought I was an American.......now I find I'm just a racist.)
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To: newcthem

POST A THREAD! titled just that...It will galvanize quickly


8 posted on 04/20/2006 6:31:12 AM PDT by HHKrepublican_2 (www.Rogers2006.com)
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To: newcthem

Heh. Yahknowwhat? That's a great idea...


9 posted on 04/20/2006 6:32:48 AM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: 300magnum

Oooohhh ... Vincente Fox ain't gonna be too happy about that.


10 posted on 04/20/2006 6:34:59 AM PDT by shekkian
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To: 300magnum
Start with a 6-foot deep trench so a vehicle can't crash through; behind it, roll of concertina (coiled, razor-edged barbed wire), in front of a 15-foot high heavy-gauge steel mesh fence angled outward at the top.

Behind the fence will be a 60- to 70-foot wide unpaved but graded dirt road, along with inexpensive, mounted video cameras that can be monitored from home computers. On the other side of the road will be a second, 15-foot fence, with more concertina wire on its outside.

"It's a very simple, effective design based on feedback we've had from Border Patrol and the military," Simcox said. "It's a fence that can be built on the cheap, effective and secure."

Why don't they just build the Berlin Wall while they're at it?

The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen.

11 posted on 04/20/2006 6:35:27 AM PDT by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: 300magnum

Won't this fence inhibit the migration of gila monsters? (/s)


12 posted on 04/20/2006 6:35:59 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: 300magnum
Go right ahead, Mr. Simcos.

Of course you will be using union labor and union rules, following every OSHA regulation, etc.etc., I presume.

13 posted on 04/20/2006 6:36:13 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: 300magnum

Actually this is a worthy idea. We are conservatives, are we not? It is liberals that go running to the government for everything.


14 posted on 04/20/2006 6:36:57 AM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: Roccus
spelling is correct.


15 posted on 04/20/2006 6:38:49 AM PDT by Jason_b
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To: HHKrepublican_2
Donate directly to the FENCE FUND:

http://www.minutemanborderfence.com/
16 posted on 04/20/2006 6:38:55 AM PDT by Barney59 ("Time wounds all heels.")
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To: 300magnum
Once again private enterprise leads the way!

Once again Government need to be shown the way.

17 posted on 04/20/2006 6:40:58 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Barney59
Oh man, it's too early... here's a working link:

This one works / The Minutemen Border Fence Project Donations

Sorry about that / B59
18 posted on 04/20/2006 6:41:18 AM PDT by Barney59 ("Time wounds all heels.")
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To: LPM1888
The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen.

I don't agree.

19 posted on 04/20/2006 6:42:19 AM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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To: HHKrepublican_2

they have to get building permits...remember it isn't a free country


20 posted on 04/20/2006 6:43:28 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: 300magnum

Great Idea Bumparooni ...


21 posted on 04/20/2006 6:44:07 AM PDT by Babu
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To: LPM1888
Why don't they just build the Berlin Wall while they're at it?

Hey they can have a "private" draft and have their own militia "supervising" the building ala the building the of the Berlin wall.

22 posted on 04/20/2006 6:45:29 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: LPM1888
Why don't they just build the Berlin Wall while they're at it?

Hey they can have a "private" draft and have their own militia "supervising" the building ala the building the of the Berlin wall.


23 posted on 04/20/2006 6:46:53 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: LPM1888
The Minute Men of 1775 protected America from foreign invaders (British) and a hostile, unjust government (the English Crown). Their counterparts of 2006 protect America from foreign invaders (illegal aliens) and a hostile, unjust government (the Federal and state governments). Losing this country to an influx of illegals in the 21st Century is as much a threat as its loss to British bureaucrats and soldiers was in the 18th Century. God bless the Minute Men.

Your comparison of a border wall to the Berlin Wall is ill conceived. The Communists built the wall to keep its enslaved subjects from escaping to freedom. This wall, if built, will protect free men from losing their freedom to hordes of Third Worlders. You might as well analogize the slave ships that brought Africans against their will to this country to the vessels that brought people seeking freedom and opportunity to our shores.

24 posted on 04/20/2006 6:48:26 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: HHKrepublican_2

KELO anyone???????????????


25 posted on 04/20/2006 6:49:05 AM PDT by NAVY84
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To: 300magnum

Amen. I will be proud to donate a foot of fence!
Maybe to sell this idea, we could have our names on every foot donated!

I would also be proud to have an illegal (thwarted in his attempt at crossing) to read (in spanish) "This section of fence donated by...ME!"


26 posted on 04/20/2006 6:49:19 AM PDT by Cyclops08
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To: Cyclops08
I would also be proud to have an illegal (thwarted in his attempt at crossing) to read (in spanish) "This section of fence donated by...ME

LOL! That'd be kewl.

27 posted on 04/20/2006 6:53:52 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: HHKrepublican_2

Well, you'll need a lot of donors.

2000 miles X 5280 ft/mile x $150 = $1.584B


28 posted on 04/20/2006 6:54:21 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: HHKrepublican_2

I just sent my donation for 2 feet of fence.


29 posted on 04/20/2006 6:54:47 AM PDT by BubbaBobTX (I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could.)
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To: Baynative

Oh hell yes!!!! Great idea, wish I had thought of it first!


30 posted on 04/20/2006 6:58:07 AM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: HHKrepublican_2

"They should create a "wall fund" I'd donate right away."

Oh, I'm sure they will be doing just that in the very near future. But, heck, I'll donate.


31 posted on 04/20/2006 6:58:25 AM PDT by no dems (Illegal Immigration? Congress best do something or look for a Civil War to break out.)
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To: LPM1888

Perhaps you'd feel a little differently if it was your property being trampled on, your house broken in to, equipment stolen, piles of dirty diapers and discarded plastic containers and clothes, etc. What would be your solution......standing at the border handing out maps and travel $?


32 posted on 04/20/2006 6:59:47 AM PDT by american spirit
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To: Wallace T.

Yes, but the Berlin Wall worked...no one ran to West Berlin through the Wall. So would a border wall work. It would mean people who wanted to come to America would have to come legally.


33 posted on 04/20/2006 7:00:33 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: Dane
Of course you will be using union labor and union rules, following every OSHA regulation, etc.etc., I presume.

I presume that volunteers working for free on private land would not be subject to the usual union thuggery and mordita.That the government chooses to knuckle under to such is a whole other ball of stupidity.

34 posted on 04/20/2006 7:01:12 AM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: 300magnum

Once again, the Minutemen are leading the way to the protection of our private property and national sovereignty!


35 posted on 04/20/2006 7:03:53 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: plain talk
The border is not all private property. The fence will create bottlenecks to make it easier on the Border Patrol. Combine this with State Governors and Legislatures passing laws prohibiting illegals from receiving government subsidies and cracking down on companies that hire illegals and much progress will be made that the Feds do not want made. Truth is that a fence can be built by border states if the right government is elected and funded by bonds leaving only federal land where access is easy.

If these measures are taken those who wish to work in America will have a couple options.

1. Sneak in illegally through narrow federal land bottlenecks and move to liberal havens such as Massachusetts or Vermont where the laws are favorable to them.

2.Go through the proper channels to receive green cards, become accounted for and either leave when the card expires or request a path to citizenship.

This will cause Mexican immigrants to view those who do sneak in as cheaters and the stake the new citizens or even those with workers permits will have in keeping illegals out will be the same as ours.

36 posted on 04/20/2006 7:04:13 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: 300magnum

Just wait till the EPA hears about this and declares the property "protected".


37 posted on 04/20/2006 7:05:49 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: LPM1888

Threatening your good deal with the illegals, eh?


38 posted on 04/20/2006 7:05:56 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Kennedy and Kerry, the two Commissars of the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts!)
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To: Wallace T.
The Communists built the wall to keep its enslaved subjects from escaping to freedom. This wall, if built, will protect free men from losing their freedom to hordes of Third Worlders. You might as well analogize the slave ships that brought Africans against their will to this country to the vessels that brought people seeking freedom and opportunity to our shores.

BTTT
39 posted on 04/20/2006 7:07:01 AM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: LPM1888
The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen.

Hey, they are just doing the job that a certain 535+1 Americans won't. That should justify whatever they choose to do, right?

40 posted on 04/20/2006 7:08:10 AM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: LexBaird
Get er done......I am all for it...I would love to see the politician make them take it down...he/she would be a done...

yesterday in Denver the DUMB students walked out...I call them dumb because only 50% finish..and that 50% can't read or write....lots of Mexican flags.....mostly illegals...all border baby's..lets get the war started and get it over with...I for one will not let Illegals take over this country....it is an invasion....
41 posted on 04/20/2006 7:08:41 AM PDT by Youngman442002
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To: Wallace T.
Your comparison of the Illegal Aliens to "Foreign Invaders" is ridiculous and disgusting. They just want a better life for themselves and their families. That is exactly the same type of people who have created the America that we know today.

Your attempt to use fear tactics to promote your agenda is pathetic.

42 posted on 04/20/2006 7:09:01 AM PDT by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: LPM1888

Why don't they just build the Berlin Wall while they're at it?



um....because they are trying to keep people OUT not IN?


43 posted on 04/20/2006 7:09:25 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (Procrastinators of the world UNITE!!!.....Tomorrow.)
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To: american spirit
Perhaps you'd feel a little differently if it was your property being trampled on, your house broken in to, equipment stolen, piles of dirty diapers and discarded plastic containers and clothes, etc. What would be your solution......standing at the border handing out maps and travel $?

Come on man, really! Why do these ranchers need all that land anyway. I mean I don't have that much property why should they get it? So they can act like a bunch of Nazis and oppress a bunch of poor migrants yearning for a better life? Maybe if they put trash cans on their property the migrants would deposit them in the can./sarc

44 posted on 04/20/2006 7:11:08 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: GAB-1955
More than 260 people died trying to cross the Berlin Wall between 1961 and 1989. About three times that number were killed attempting to flee westward from elsewhere in East Germany

Actually 260 people died trying to cross the Berlin wall and that is the Official estimate, the number was probably higher.

BTW, do have a picture of communist leader Erich Honneker haning in your home or office? Since you seem to admire so much the communist building of the wall.

45 posted on 04/20/2006 7:12:22 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: LPM1888
"That is exactly the same type of people who have created the America that we know today."

No, the people who created the America that we know today immigrated LEGALLY.

What part of ILLEGAL seems to escape your comprehension.

Title 8 - Section 1025 states that anyone who fails to pass through an inspection when entering the country is guilty of a misdemeanor. After being deported and again entering without inspection, the charge is elevated to a felony. The law is on the books, Nimrod.

46 posted on 04/20/2006 7:13:58 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Kennedy and Kerry, the two Commissars of the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts!)
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To: HHKrepublican_2

Send a Brick to build a wall
http://www.send-a-brick.com/brick.htm ^

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1617030/posts


47 posted on 04/20/2006 7:14:04 AM PDT by Rakkasan1 (they love you in Mexico until you pay in pesos.)
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To: LPM1888

Why don't they just build the Berlin Wall while they're at it?

The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen.
___________________________________________________________

Foolish words. You might want to break open a history book or 2.

The BERLIN WALL was to keep their people IN...not out. HUGE difference.

The Minute Men are the example of the Constitution of these United States of America.


48 posted on 04/20/2006 7:14:11 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: Redleg Duke

No, just welcoming good people to America.


49 posted on 04/20/2006 7:14:44 AM PDT by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: LPM1888

" The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen."

Not for most Americans.........time for you to head back to the DU barn.


50 posted on 04/20/2006 7:14:54 AM PDT by newcthem (Thought I was an American.......now I find I'm just a racist.)
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