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Minutemen to Bush: Build Fence or We Will
Associated Press ^ | ARTHUR H. ROTSTEIN

Posted on 04/20/2006 6:12:54 AM PDT by 300magnum

TUCSON, Ariz. - Minuteman border watch leader Chris Simcox has a message for President Bush: Build new security fencing along the border with Mexico or private citizens will.

Simcox said Wednesday that he's sending an ultimatum to the president, through the media, of course — "You can't get through to the president any other way" — to deploy military reserves and the National Guard to the Arizona border by May 25.

Or, Simcox said, by the Memorial Day weekend Minuteman Civil Defense Corps volunteers and supporters will break ground to start erecting fencing privately.

"We have had landowners approach," Simcox said in an interview. "We've been working on this idea for a while. We're going to show the federal government how easy it is to build these security fences, how inexpensively they can be built when built by private people and free enterprise."

Simcox said a half-dozen landowners along the Arizona-Mexico border have said they will allow fencing to be placed on their borderlands, and others in California, Texas and New Mexico have agreed to do so as well.

"Certainly, as with everything else, we're only able to cover a small portion of the border," Simcox said. "The state and federal government have bought up most of the land around the border. I suspect that's why we'll never get control of the border."

But he said the plan is to put up secure fencing that truly will be an effective deterrent, and to show how easily it can be accomplished.

Simcox gave this description of the envisioned barrier-and-fencing complex:

Start with a 6-foot deep trench so a vehicle can't crash through; behind it, roll of concertina (coiled, razor-edged barbed wire), in front of a 15-foot high heavy-gauge steel mesh fence angled outward at the top.

Behind the fence will be a 60- to 70-foot wide unpaved but graded dirt road, along with inexpensive, mounted video cameras that can be monitored from home computers. On the other side of the road will be a second, 15-foot fence, with more concertina wire on its outside.

"It's a very simple, effective design based on feedback we've had from Border Patrol and the military," Simcox said. "It's a fence that can be built on the cheap, effective and secure."

Simcox said supporters will try to build the fencing with volunteer labor. Surveyors and contractors have offered to help with the design and survey work, he said, and some have said they will provide heavy equipment.

Simcox said those involved in the planning hope to keep costs to between $125 and $150 a foot.

Access to land literally on the border is an issue because so much is state-leased trust property or federally owned, he said.

"You may have to deal with a situation where private property owners erect their own fences and may be faced with the president sending the National Guard to prevent them from protecting their private property," Simcox said.

He said the Minuteman plan is "to keep turning up the heat" until President Bush has to respond somehow.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: borderfence; bordersecurity; bushamnesty; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; invasionusa; minutemen; openborders
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To: 300magnum

I pulled these two stories from my companies morning news clips. Before you begin your daily Michael Savage inspired rant & rave, frothing at the mouth swearing commentary stating that until a Wall is up you are voting third party, I suggest you study the facts.

Seeking to Control Borders, Bush Turns to Big Military Contractors
New York Times 05/18/2006

WASHINGTON, May 17 -- The quick fix may involve sending in the National Guard. But to really patch up the broken border, President Bush is preparing to turn to a familiar administration partner: the nation's giant military contractors.

Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and Northrop Grumman, three of the largest, are among the companies that said they would submit bids within two weeks for a multibillion-dollar federal contract to build what the administration calls a "virtual fence" along the nation's land borders.

Using some of the same high-priced, high-tech tools these companies have already put to work in Iraq and Afghanistan -- like unmanned aerial vehicles, ground surveillance satellites and motion-detection video equipment -- the military contractors are zeroing in on the rivers, deserts, mountains and settled areas that separate Mexico and Canada from the United States.

It is a humbling acknowledgment that despite more than a decade of initiatives with macho-sounding names, like Operation Hold the Line in El Paso or Operation Gate Keeper in San Diego, the federal government has repeatedly failed on its own to gain control of the land borders.

Through its Secure Border Initiative, the Bush administration intends to not simply buy an amalgam of high-tech equipment to help it patrol the borders -- a tactic it has also already tried, at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars, with extremely limited success. It is also asking the contractors to devise and build a whole new border strategy that ties together the personnel, technology and physical barriers.

"This is an unusual invitation," the deputy secretary of homeland security, Michael Jackson, told contractors this year at an industry briefing, just before the bidding period for this new contract started. "We're asking you to come back and tell us how to do our business."

The effort comes as the Senate voted Wednesday to add hundreds of miles of fencing along the border with Mexico. The measure would also prohibit illegal immigrants convicted of a felony or three misdemeanors from any chance at citizenship.

The high-tech plan being bid now has many skeptics, who say they have heard a similar refrain from the government before.

"We've been presented with expensive proposals for elaborate border technology that eventually have proven to be ineffective and wasteful," Representative Harold Rogers, Republican of Kentucky, said at a hearing on the Secure Border Initiative program last month. "How is the S.B.I. not just another three-letter acronym for failure?"

President Bush, among others, said he was convinced that the government could get it right this time.

"We are launching the most technologically advanced border security initiative in American history," Mr. Bush said in his speech from the Oval Office on Monday.

Under the initiative, the Department of Homeland Security and its Customs and Border Protection division will still be charged with patrolling the 6,000 miles of land borders.

The equipment these Border Patrol agents use, how and when they are dispatched to spots along the border, where the agents assemble the captured immigrants, how they process them and transport them -- all these steps will now be scripted by the winning contractor, who could earn an estimated $2 billion over the next three to six years on the Secure Border job.

More Border Patrol agents are part of the answer. The Bush administration has committed to increasing the force from 11,500 to about 18,500 by the time the president leaves office in 2008. But simply spreading this army of agents out evenly along the border or extending fences in and around urban areas is not sufficient, officials said.

"Boots on the ground is not really enough," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Tuesday at a news conference that followed Mr. Bush's announcement to send as many as 6,000 National Guard troops to the border.

The tools of modern warfare must be brought to bear. That means devices like the Tethered Aerostat Radar, a helium-filled airship made for the Air Force by Lockheed Martin that is twice the size of the Goodyear Blimp. Attached to the ground by a cable, the airship can hover overhead and automatically monitor any movement night or day. (One downside: it cannot operate in high winds.)

Northrop Grumman is considering offering its Global Hawk, an unmanned aerial vehicle with a wingspan nearly as wide as a Boeing 737, that can snoop on movement along the border from heights of up to 65,000 feet, said Bruce Walker, a company executive.

Closer to earth, Northrop might deploy a fleet of much smaller, unmanned planes that could be launched from a truck, flying perhaps just above a group of already detected immigrants so it would be harder for them to scatter into the brush and disappear.

Raytheon has a package of sensor and video equipment used to protect troops in Iraq that monitors an area and uses software to identify suspicious objects automatically, analyzing and highlighting them even before anyone is sent to respond.

These same companies have delivered these technologies to the Pentagon, sometimes with uneven results.

Each of these giant contractors -- Lockheed Martin alone employs 135,000 people and had $37.2 billion in sales last year, including an estimated $6 billion to the federal government -- is teaming up with dozens of smaller companies that will provide everything from the automated cameras to backup energy supplies that will to keep this equipment running in the desert.

The companies have studied every mile of border, drafting detection and apprehension strategies that vary depending on the terrain. In a city, for example, an immigrant can disappear into a crowd in seconds, while agents might have hours to apprehend a group walking through the desert, as long as they can track their movement.

If the system works, Border Patrol agents will know before they encounter a group of intruders approximately how many people have crossed, how fast they are moving and even if they might be armed.

Without such information, said Kevin Stevens, a Border Patrol official, "we send more people than we need to deal with a situation that wasn't a significant threat," or, in a worst case, "we send fewer people than we need to deal with a significant threat, and we find ourselves outnumbered and outgunned."

The government's track record in the last decade in trying to buy cutting-edge technology to monitor the border -- devices like video cameras, sensors and other tools that came at a cost of at least $425 million -- is dismal.

Because of poor contract oversight, nearly half of video cameras ordered in the late 1990's did not work or were not installed. The ground sensors installed along the border frequently sounded alarms. But in 92 percent of the cases, they were sending out agents to respond to what turned out to be a passing wild animal, a train or other nuisances, according to a report late last year by the homeland security inspector general.

A more recent test with an unmanned aerial vehicle bought by the department got off to a similarly troubling start. The $6.8 million device, which has been used in the last year to patrol a 300-mile stretch of the Arizona border at night, crashed last month.

With Secure Border, at least five so-called system integrators -- Lockheed, Raytheon and Northrop, as well as Boeing and Ericsson -- are expected to submit bids.

The winner, which is due to be selected before October, will not be given a specific dollar commitment. Instead, each package of equipment and management solutions the contractor offers will be evaluated and bought individually.

"We're not just going to say, 'Oh, this looks like some neat stuff, let's buy it and then put it on the border,' "Mr. Chertoff said at a news conference on Tuesday.

Skepticism persists. A total of $101 million is already available for the program. But on Wednesday, when the House Appropriations Committee moved to approve the Homeland Security Department's proposed $32.1 billion budget for 2007, it proposed withholding $25 million of $115 million allocated next year for the Secure Border contracting effort until the administration better defined its plans.

"Unless the department can show us exactly what we're buying, we won't fund it," Representative Rogers said. "We will not fund programs with false expectations."



Defense Firms Prepare to Compete For Border-Surveillance System
The Wall Street Journal 05/18/2006

Defense companies are gearing up to compete for a multibillion-dollar contract they hope will unlock the elusive homeland-security market. But the government's plan for the proposed border-surveillance system remains unclear.

The Department of Homeland Security's proposed Secure Border Initiative, or SBI, program has taken on new significance with President Bush's call Monday for tougher border controls. Defense heavyweights Lockheed Martin Corp., Northrop Grumman Corp. and Raytheon Co., among other companies, plan to bid this month to provide technology for border security.

Known as SBInet, the program entails upgrading border areas with motion sensors, cameras and unmanned aircraft, valued at an estimated $2 billion in its initial phase. Government officials have declined to attach a value to the overall program. The contract, which is expected to be awarded in September, would be the biggest homeland-security program since the department in 2004 awarded a contract to Accenture Ltd. to monitor foreign visitors to the U.S. Known as U.S. Visit, that program could amount to $10 billion over a decade.

SBInet has attracted defense companies looking for new revenue sources as Pentagon spending growth slows, but they have also been frustrated by the slow development of opportunities in the homeland-security market after it was trumpeted as a growth area following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The latest initiative may pose even bigger challenges than U.S. Visit in creating secure borders. Previous attempts to use technology to control the border have been checkered, and new tools, such as unmanned planes, face hurdles in how they will be deployed. Even if the new technologies work, the Department of Homeland Security has yet to define other elements of the initiative, potentially undermining the broader effort.

For instance, until now, SBI has concentrated on the expedited removal of illegal aliens, rotating them through detention sites quickly to end the current catch-and-release system. Officials caution that plans to augment border security with upgraded sensors and additional law enforcement and military personnel will be useless if the government doesn't build additional facilities to temporarily house detained border-jumpers.

SBInet is billed as "a signature effort" for the department. An audiovisual presentation released earlier this year depicted crowds of illegal aliens storming urban border crossings both in trucks and trudging in long columns along rural trails. The presentation showed how the geography of the southern border funnels illegal human migration into three main routes.

When the Border Patrol concentrates on one illegal crossing zone, the human traffic shifts -- sometimes hundreds of miles -- to easier crossing sites, according to the Border Patrol. Michael Jackson, deputy secretary of homeland security, has given contract bidders wide latitude to devise a technological solution, including satellite communications, to weave together a comprehensive method of managing such border issues


321 posted on 05/18/2006 6:52:53 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

freepmail


322 posted on 05/18/2006 7:03:27 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: NavyCanDo
Before you begin your daily Michael Savage inspired rant & rave, frothing at the mouth swearing commentary stating that until a Wall is up you are voting third party, I suggest you study the facts.

Uh, exactly what frothing at the mouth commentary are you referring to, or did you post to me by accident? :-)

323 posted on 05/18/2006 8:18:02 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: 300magnum
Sorry, not meant for any individual, I just attached my message to the top "post reply" - - It's just the general comments I have been reading on FR or hearing on the radio on this immigration issue Making me a little angry that we the people that put Bush in office, who believe he was the "Right Man" for the job following 9/11 are now largely abandoning him.
324 posted on 05/18/2006 8:26:10 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo
I hear ya bro. It appears we have a lot of "fair weather friends" with the "What have you done for me lately?" attitude.
325 posted on 05/18/2006 9:25:02 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: newcthem

Great Idea! Now I know what to do with the little bit of money I can contribute. Better them than the RNC.


326 posted on 05/18/2006 9:27:18 AM PDT by alarm rider (Irritating leftists as often as is humanly possible....)
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To: 300magnum
[ "We've been working on this idea for a while. We're going to show the federal government how easy it is to build these security fences, how inexpensively they can be built when built by private people and free enterprise." ]

The problem is building a fence with mandated Union Labor(like on all federal gov't jobs) overseen by federal gov't employees.. The cost skyrockets and completion dates could be years.. Oh! and cost overruns are almost expected.. Only thing worse would be if the United Nations were handleing the job.. then it wouldn't get done at all..

327 posted on 05/18/2006 9:41:17 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: LPM1888
The racists and bigots who have stolen the name of the Minute Men are only an example of racism and bigotry. That is something for all Americans to be ashamed of.

There are black people joining the Minutemen. Are they racists and bigots too?

328 posted on 05/18/2006 10:21:39 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: Colorado Buckeye; LPM1888
Want to help put up a billboard like this in Colorado?

I think I saw one of those in New Mexico last year. Are these veterans racists and bigots as well?

329 posted on 05/18/2006 10:26:21 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: tx4guns

1.58 trillion would be 1.58 x 10E12. You seem to be off by a factor of 10E3.


330 posted on 05/18/2006 10:30:39 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: tx4guns
Sorry, I stand corrected. 1.58 Billion. Don't know where my brain was on that one.

Never mind...

331 posted on 05/18/2006 10:39:24 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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