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Mexico screwed up on illegal immigrants — listen up Republicans
BrookesNews.Com ^ | Monday April 24 2006 | Dick McDonald

Posted on 04/24/2006 3:00:05 PM PDT by Brian Allen

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To: oldbill

"You middle class suckers will be making your weekly trips to the unemployment office, while the illegals, now legal take over your jobs at half the pay."

We can't blame it all on the illegals. When Ronald Reagan first was elected the ratio of major CEO pay to low level workers was around 40 to 1. Now the top CEO pay ratio is somewhere between 400 and 1,000 to one. What is wrong with this picture. Of course they want cheap illegal labor, otherwise they couldn't afford such outrageous ratios. This is probably one reason they have to send so many jobs overseas to cheap countries like India. It is probably also why medical care has become so expensive. Somehow we have to shame these people back to some reasonable rate of compensation, or terrible things are likely to happen in the future to cure their greed.


61 posted on 04/24/2006 11:18:27 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: el_texicano

"When the vote comes up the Dems go first."

This could not happen, because a roll call vote is done in alphabetical order with Rs and Ds all mixed up together.


62 posted on 04/24/2006 11:32:26 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: rovenstinez
"Instead of trying to FIX the Immigration laws in the USA, maybe we here in Mexico need to FIX our laws to make them Business friendly"
 
That would require El Presidente Fox and the other disciples of Comrade Trotsky to create a middle class in Mexico.
 
The middle class always makes the oligarchs nervous. 
 
That's why they are so busily going about the business of exporting the poverty of Mexico to the United States.
 
Doing so flattens the playing field the masses compete on, divides them against themselves, and moves the top of the pyramid futher out of reach.
 
Isn't class warfare fun? 
 
Marx must be dancing in his grave.

63 posted on 04/24/2006 11:33:32 PM PDT by VxH (This species has amused itself to death.)
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To: gleeaikin
"or terrible things are likely to happen in the future to cure their greed."
 
Ok, who wants cake?

64 posted on 04/24/2006 11:41:19 PM PDT by VxH (This species has amused itself to death.)
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To: Brian Allen

What do you mean by the terms "criminal alien invaders"? Do you mean that illegal immigrants are criminals because they immigrated illegally, or do you mean that they are now actively engaged in criminal activity in the US? If you're excited because they immigrated illegally, then are you equally concerned about the tens of millions of Americans who break the law every year by flagrantly exceeding the speed limits on our highways and cheating on their incomes taxes? Do you want to prosecute all of those people too?


65 posted on 04/24/2006 11:42:48 PM PDT by defenderSD (¤¤ Wishing, hoping, and praying that Saddam will not nuke us is not a national security policy.)
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To: VxH
"The middle class always makes the oligarchs nervous."

Why is that? We have a huge middle class in America, and the wealthiest people here are not nervous about that. It's socialists & communists who make the oligarchs nervous.

66 posted on 04/24/2006 11:47:21 PM PDT by defenderSD (¤¤ Wishing, hoping, and praying that Saddam will not nuke us is not a national security policy.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

That graphic represents such as simplistic, childish analysis resulting apparently from a short attention span and difficulty dealing with complex issues. Maybe some poeple should cut down on their caffeine consumption and get more exercise...that might help. Throwing away TV remote controls could help too.


67 posted on 04/24/2006 11:50:08 PM PDT by defenderSD (¤¤ Wishing, hoping, and praying that Saddam will not nuke us is not a national security policy.)
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To: Brian Allen
"The Bushs are not "new world order-ists,""
 
 
Well, somebody's speech writer sure had an affinity for the three words in question:
 
Excerpt, George Bush Senior's September 11, 1990 speech before Congress:
 
"We stand today at a unique and extraordinary moment. The crisis in the Persian Gulf, as grave as it is, also offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective -- a new world order -- can emerge: a new era"
 
Excerpt, George Bush Senior's Jan 16th 1991 speech before Congress:
 
"When we are successful, and we will be, we have a real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peace-keeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the U.N.'s founders." 
 
Excerpt, George Bush Senior's March 6, 1991 speech before Congress:
 
"Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order. "
Quack Quack, Waddle Waddle - well, at least it's a kinder, gentler kind of duck.
 
 
Right wing, left wing - It's all duck.
 
Still, having said that, if duck is all that's on the menu then the taste of genus Duckus Bushus Georgious seems to be a bit more palatable than that of genus Duckus Looserasaurus Algorus or Duckus Forbus Kerrius Heinzus.   I voted for the one that didn't make me throw up.
 
One should always try to choose the lesser of two weevils.
 
Got Novus Ordo Seclorum?

68 posted on 04/25/2006 12:43:05 AM PDT by VxH (This species has amused itself to death.)
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To: VxH

"The middle class always makes the oligarchs nervous"

That must be why they are trying so hard to destroy the middle class in this country with the outrageous 400 to one salary ratios. I hear the founder of Costco has bucked the trend by paying himself $350,000 per year and his workers around $50,000. There is a nice 7 to 1 ratio. I think I'll start giving as much business as I can to Costco.


69 posted on 04/25/2006 12:43:35 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: defenderSD
"It's socialists & communists who make the oligarchs nervous."

Orwell seemed to think that they were one and the same.
 
I'm not sure he was wrong.   Especially in the former and current Soviet (dis)Union - the model he articulated in "The theory and practice of Oligarchical Collectivism" seems to be quite accurate.
 
Personally, I think what he described is a predictable part of human nature.

70 posted on 04/25/2006 1:02:29 AM PDT by VxH (This species has amused itself to death.)
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To: defenderSD
"the wealthiest people here are not nervous about that."
 
I don't think many of the wealthiest people here are Oligarchs.
 
To me, an Oligarch accumulates wealth by operating outside the constraints of the law.
 
In a Republic, that's not acceptable.
 
Here in the USA the law still applies, more or less, to all - rich and poor.   Just ask Ken Lay.
 
But you have to get caught - and there are plenty of places in the world where organizations can operate beyond the legal constraints of any Republic.
 

71 posted on 04/25/2006 1:30:42 AM PDT by VxH (This species has amused itself to death.)
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To: gleeaikin
"we should work a deal that if the Coyotes "

Yeah...they stay on their side and we don't imprison them for life.

"Of course, this will probably send more of them to Canada for border crossing,"

However, if there are no jobs here and they can't get taxpayer money the difficulty of getting here via Canada adds a further obstacle to an endeavor with less reward.

"If legislation is approved to allow people already in the country to become legal..."

....then all legislators who voted for it should be impeached, tarred and feathered.
72 posted on 04/25/2006 3:28:29 AM PDT by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: Brian Allen

Can't be said loud enough or repeated often enough.


73 posted on 04/25/2006 3:37:07 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: Brian Allen
"This thread is discussing America's Sovereign Borders and national security and the criminal-alien invasion and hostile..."

Blah, blah, blah.

You managed to get nearly every single emotion-based key word into one sentence.

Congratulations...you're part of the problem.

This President is not out of touch with anything, nor were the previous five Presidents who have stood by and watched the numbers grow, while effectively doing nothing about it.

Nothing will change.

The Democrats may take House and Senate using you and other like you, but they will do very little to insult their Hispanic voting block.

You should spend less time ranting, and more time educating yourself into the underlying reasons why it is in the government's best interest NOT to stem back the flow of illegal aliens.

Here's a clue...it has to do with economics.

The Democrats MAY take the House and Senate this year...that's a possibility, and if they do, you can expect two things:

Now...you are free to go about your next emotion-based rant.

Carry on.

74 posted on 04/25/2006 5:31:42 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Brian Allen

It's obscene that Pubbies are willing to hand over the sovereignity of the US on a silver platter to a bunch of lawbreakers.

The Name of the Pubbies Game is to assume the Hyphenate-Fellate position hoping that leaning over will get them a couple votes.

They've convinced themselves that the illegal whine is some sort of "civil rights" movement and that they will be on the wrong side when the smoke clears.

The Pubs are insane if they think these people are going to vote for them.



75 posted on 04/25/2006 6:03:05 AM PDT by Liz (We have room for but one flag, the American flag." —Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: Mogollon
Shut down public services across the country to illegals and send in local authorities to arrest employers of illegals. The illegals will leave when there are no jobs or any other types of support available.....

Now is the time for law-abiding citizenry of America to come to the aid of their country. Lawmakers seem to have conveniently forgotten that, we are a nation governed by the rule of law. There are serious consequences for ignoring lawbreaking. Ignoring lawbreaking is tantamount to aiding and abetting. Failing to report lawbreaking is a crime in itself.

PARTIAL LIST OF ILLEGAL ALIENS' FEDERAL CRIMINAL FELONIES


1 - Use of illegal ID or documents
2 - Federal income tax evasion
3 - Re-entry into USA after deportation
4 - Obtain/Operate vehicles with illegal ID
5 - ID theft/fraud - Social Security fraud
6 - Knowingly gaining employment fraudulently
7 - Recruiting other illegal aliens workers
8 - Transporting illegal aliens
9 - Harboring &/or housing illegal aliens
10 - Undermining US national security
11 - Registering/Voting using fraudulent documentation
12 - Conspiracy to violate federal statutes
13 - Uttering false statements to public officials
14 - Obstructing law enforcement
15 - Securing government monies with false documents
16 - Bank fraud--getting mortgages with phony documents.

FREEPER ACTIVISM: If duly elected officials, under oath, are encouraging ILLEGALS to break the law, to obtain the unlawful right to vote, and obtain unauthorized government benefits using fraudulent documentation, and if elected and appointed officials did, in fact, allow illegals to break the law to serve on municipal councils, and if illegals are making monetary (taxing) decisions for U.S. Citizens, this might be a violation of the Hobbs Act. If elected officials took campaign contributions from said illegals, this could be characterized as extortion, and/or bribery, and a violation of the Hobbs Act.

The Hobbs Act was used recently to nail four TENN state legislators and their aides, arrested under the federal Hobbs Act, charging extortion, conspiracy to extort and attempted extortion, and accepting bribes as agents of the state. The Hobbs Act covers extortion by public officials, as follows: 2403 Hobbs Act -- Extortion By Force, Violence, or Fear

SOURCE October 1997 Criminal Resource Manual 2403 http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm02403.htm

9-131.000 THE HOBBS ACT -- 18 U.S.C. § 1951
9-131.020 Investigative and Supervisory Jurisdiction

Primary investigative jurisdiction of offenses in 18 U.S.C. § 1951 lies with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Inspector General's Office of Investigations, Division of Labor Racketeering (formerly the Office of Labor Racketeering), United States Department of Labor, is also authorized to investigate violations of 18 U.S.C. § 1951 in labor-management disputes involving the extortion of property from employers by reason of authority conferred on investigators as Special Deputy United States Marshals. Supervisory jurisdiction over 18 U.S.C. § 1951 is exercised by the following offices with respect to the offenses noted:

1. Extortion under color of official right or extortion by a public official through misuse of his/her office is supervised by the Public Integrity Section, Criminal Division.

2. Extortion and robbery in labor-management disputes is supervised by the Labor-Management Unit of the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section, Criminal Division.

3. All other extortion and robbery offenses not involving public officials or labor-management disputes are supervised by the Terrorism and Violent Crimes

Demand that the DOJ enforce the laws, and prosecute anyone who aids and abets illegal activities, including legislators who ignore rampant lawbreaking.

EMAIL ASKDOJ@USDOJ.GOV

76 posted on 04/25/2006 6:18:13 AM PDT by Liz (We have room for but one flag, the American flag." —Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; B4Ranch

Thank you for your attempted critique.

You should spend less time pathologically projecting and more time educating yourself into the underlying reasons why it [Serves almost totally irrelevant systemically-corrupt politicians' and the permanent bureacracy's] interests to not defend our nation against the criminal alien invasion and increasingly hostile colonization.

Here's a clue...it has to do with our politicians' and the permanent bureacracy's absolute corruption.

<< .... some guy named Julio, his wife, ten kids, his brothers, and his parents moving in next door to you. >>

Too late, Racist, I am in Southern California and they already do - on both sides, behind and across the street.

And nobody but you minds. Unlike you, who never misses an opportunity to project his own morbid racism into whatever he is projectile spewing on any given occasion, including this one, we are not racists and we are not talking about people named "Muhummid," "Poh Lyn" -- nor yet, Speedy, even, "Gonzales."

What the rest of us are talking about is Rule of Law and about an out of control and disconnected imperial presidency. And about the totally abrogated responsibility to defend our nation against invasion of those who have co-opted those congressional positions once reserved to our representatives and to our states' representative's, our senators -- and of those every bit as individually and/or systemically corrupt foreign and domestic agents and lobbyists and feral bureaucracrats who own, operate, control and enrichen them.

ping


77 posted on 04/25/2006 3:23:02 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Life's only certainties include the absolute corruption of those who collect and spend our taxes.)
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To: Brian Allen
Another major point -- illegal immigration from Latin America/Mexico will bring more catholicism:

An individual on Free Republic posted that he was personally aware that drug dealers were active in their local catholic church and donated large sums of money (this is a fact EVERYWHERE drug dealing is rampant). Also, another item posted on Free Republic mentions a catholic priest saying that the money still does good in spite of the fact that a criminal donated it.

Next, a quote from the book Boss of Bosses by Joseph O'Brien and Andris Kurins (FBI agents) published by Simon & Schuster in 1991 on page 354. The FBI agents had gone to see the grave marker of the the mafia boss Paul Castellano who was catholic. And I quote,

"Now it was the caretaker's turn to look skeptical. 'Sure,' he said. 'If you were such good friends, you'da been at the funeral.'

'We're FBI agents,' said Andy Kurins.

They showed their credentials, and suddenly the caretaker was eager to chat as he led the way. 'Cardinal wouldn't allow a public Mass, you know, on acounta he was a gangster. Me I don't think that's right. First off, who's to judge? Second, who needs a Mass more? Plus, Castellano was good to the Church. Coupla years ago, he gave enough money so the old nuns from St. Anne's could get a new elevator and wouldn't have to climb those stone steps. The money's good enough but the man's soul ain't? Me, I don't buy that.'

The catholic church apparently will not take harsh measures to weed out organized crime figures due to the fact that they donate large sums of money.

78 posted on 04/25/2006 3:26:18 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: defenderSD

Are you saying that I am over simplifying this issue?

Childish? Short attention span? Actually, it's the other way around. It's not a complex issue. Some people have too much time and inflated evaluations of their reasoning ability, thus painting many shades of gray where few are needed.

Sometimes things can be over analyzed. Don't make a Gordian Knot out of a half hitch.


79 posted on 04/25/2006 5:21:05 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: Brian Allen
My Senator is up for reelection this November. I told her that if she voted for amnesty in any form I would do everyrhing I could to see that she was not reelected. I think the senate got several messages like that, that's why the deal McCain had worked out fell thru at the last minute.

I'm going to call her (the senator) office tomorrow and tell her that I want a flat (no amendments) bill passed to secure the border. And that I want it passed by July 4th or I will do everything I can to see she is out of a job in November. Talk is cheap, I'm NOT interested in campaign promises.

The elected know that the person who is royally pissed will work twice as hard to get them out of office as a supporter will work to keep them in.
80 posted on 04/25/2006 8:59:41 PM PDT by GooberHead (Those who don't demand their rights don't have any. - US Supreme Court)
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