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John Mccain "I'd rather have clean government than the 1st amendment"
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Posted on 04/29/2006 8:04:53 PM PDT by SDGOP

"He [Michael Graham] also mentioned my abridgement of First Amendment rights, i.e. talking about campaign finance reform....I know that money corrupts....I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected, that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I'd rather have the clean government."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antiamericansenator; dirtbag; lamemcvain; libertarians; mccain; mccainnewoverlord; mccastro; mcme; rinowatch
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To: cva66snipe
Makes sense.

One (two-part) comment:


Has W even made a half hearted threat to VETO any tripe McCain dreams up including Campaign finance reform?

First, why would he threaten to veto the Incumbent Protection Act? Especially when his "team" holds the majority?

Second, the further along he gets into the "final lap" of his administration, the more certain it becomes that he will never veto anything, period.

I am convinced that there is a pathology at work. Some kind of adolescent deal, where he's gonna show 'em, he'll show 'em that he's no quitter. It's like the kid who shows up for school, rain or shine, healthy or sick as a dog (and infecting hundreds of students and teachers!), so that at the end of the year, he can get that gold star, pat on the back, and have his name called out for having a perfect attendance record. Even one absence, no matter how justified, would mean NO award!

That's a mightly low horizon, isn't it. It's the kind of thing you see with kids who were raised by cold, demanding, distant parents, who never quite got that "nurturing" thing going. (As an aside, it might also explain the perverse fixation on "compassionate conservatism", which, as a slogan, is about as dandy as "Economic Democracy", which as you will recall, was Clinton's Chief Economic Advisor Derek Shearer's term for "Socialism", which he decided needed a new monica... um, "moniker". because the word "Socialism" had certain "negative connotations" in this country.)

It's not just angst-driven teenagers and Presidents of the United States that exhibit this behavior. You'll also see it with the poor downtrodden janitor who pushes his mop and pail day in and day out, year after year, constantly walking past custom-tailored executives who look down their noses at him (if they even see him at all), who, to show the world that he's just as good as "those guys" (if not better), shows up for work regardless of his health, the weather, and so forth, so that after 30 years of drudgery, he can get a genuine gold-plated ballpoint pen with the company logo, and a rubber-stamped "certificate" for a "perfect work attendance record."

Everyone needs a dream. Everyone needs a vision. How sad... how utterly sad that some folks latch onto something like that as their enduring legacy. ("Look, kids... see that man in the picture? That was your grampaw. He never missed a day of work. Nope, not a single one. No, he didn't get a reward for that, or a raise, or a pension or anything, but he did get a nice card and a pen when he retired, right before he went to the nursing home. And that's what really matters in life -- getting the recognition for a perfect record like that!")

Yeah, sure.

301 posted on 04/30/2006 2:40:28 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: SDGOP

I think the McCain haters oughta try to remember something. Shrub can't run again. And even if he could, McCain has something shrub never got from his nice, NWO backgound in some Maine estate, or from running his little baseball team.

McCain has a pair that spent years in a camp.


302 posted on 04/30/2006 2:41:54 AM PDT by djf (Bedtime story: Once upon a time, they snuck on the boat and threw the tea over. In a land far away..)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

John McCain corruptly panders to the arrogance of journalism. John McCain was accused of corruption in the "Keating Five" scandal. Ever since the "Keating Five" scandal, John McCain has been ruthless about preventing anyone from accusing McCain of corruption. He passed McCain-Feingold to outlaw our freedom to criticize him, simultaneously pandering to journalism to prevent them from criticizing him.
We have a winner!

This is THE definitive explanation of the phenomenon known as "John McCain"!

This paragraph should go front and center on the front page of every conservative website!

You done good, friend. You done real good!

303 posted on 04/30/2006 2:50:10 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: EternalVigilance
That second photo... I've always been awed by the striking resemblance between that "leader" and Slick, particularly when each of them struck their "shared-trademark" arms-folded, "Yeah, what?" pose.

I've never seen side-by-side photos of the two of them in that pose -- but I'd sure like to see something like that!

304 posted on 04/30/2006 2:54:01 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: cva66snipe
Now we know who will likely propose the ISP mandatory snooping bill. Forget that site you were on yesterday? Don't worry as a service to all citizens the federal government will require ISP to keep records for at least two years on all the web sites you visit.

That's just Phase One.

Phase Two will be a requirement for the ISPs to provide real-time access to the data as it's logged. Bandwidth is cheap -- but not as cheap as freedom.

The technology and infrastructure is already to the point tht it's feasible to implement NOW. And they'll get it, too. Oh, sure, first pass there'll be a bit of an outrage -- so, they'll back off for a few months, and then slip it into the middle of a huge bill, a few hundred pages into the "NO ONE reads this far into the gobledegook" section of the bill. A few lines of fine print slipped in as an amendment to an unrelated bill, with a different name from the original, and there ya go. All hail Our Glorious Leaders!

I'm expecting them to do something similar with their demands for search engine query data. After "burdening" the vendors with a series of increasingly "PITA" datamining demands, they'll finally say, "Look, it'll be easier for all of us -- and less expensive too -- if you simply echo the queries to us as they arrive. You won't need to hassle with logs, comply with picayune requests for all different kinds of datamining... it'll be strictly "set it and forget it" mode. Just turn on the hose, and let us take care of the nitty gritty!"

305 posted on 04/30/2006 3:04:04 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: SDGOP

Any shred of credibility that McCain may have had with me is lost forever with that statement. God help this nation if the 2008 ticket is Hillary! vs McCaine (mispelling intentional, now who stole the strawberries).


306 posted on 04/30/2006 3:06:10 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: SDGOP

He actually said that?


307 posted on 04/30/2006 3:12:19 AM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: Don Joe
Oh, sure, first pass there'll be a bit of an outrage -- so, they'll back off for a few months, and then slip it into the middle of a huge bill, a few hundred pages into the "NO ONE reads this far into the gobledegook" section of the bill. A few lines of fine print slipped in as an amendment to an unrelated bill, with a different name from the original, and there ya go. All hail Our Glorious Leaders!

The hose and senate rules are so screwed up {purposefully so} No person and especially not out elected can be certain what law is being enacted when. The amendments to bills unless specifically related to the title of the bill should not be allowed. Plenty of change needs to come. There are too many lawyers in office. Write the bills in layman's terms short, simple, and to the point. No bill except the federal budget should be over 4-5 pages long either. If they want more bills write another one. It's not wise to sign your name to what you haven't read first yet our elected do just that very thing day after day.

Well ones things for certain if they have time on their hands to write some of the pathetic stuff written in the past 10 years then they have far too much time in session. It should at least be cut in half then as well as their pay.

308 posted on 04/30/2006 3:21:40 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: pcottraux

>>McCain is the American Hugo Chavez.<<

McCain is a turd. Pure and simple; a turd.


309 posted on 04/30/2006 3:39:30 AM PDT by thelastvirgil (Incumbent politicians: PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE.)
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To: Jibaholic
If I had any shares of McCain on the prediction markets, I'd start selling. He just lost the nomination.

McCain is in a comfortable lead at 40% at Tradesports.com. No sign of any selloff. Allen is in a distant second place at 22%, Romney is at 14%, and Guiliani at 10%. Rice is in fifth place at 6%.

310 posted on 04/30/2006 4:07:15 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Enhance Capitol security: Censure Cynthia!)
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To: rock58seg
I will not vote for McCain for anything

McCainiac is not fit to be a dog catcher--he would try to muzzle all the dogs because he would believe it created a "clean shelter".

:-)
311 posted on 04/30/2006 4:13:10 AM PDT by cgbg (Should traitors live long enough to have book deals?)
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To: Don Joe
the janitor

That was quote a post, there--worth a couple of reads.

As you have figured out many children of the rich and powerful share this pathology--a narrow-minded vision of the world. That is why they have so much trouble thinking "outside the box". They don't even know the box is there.
312 posted on 04/30/2006 4:17:37 AM PDT by cgbg (Should traitors live long enough to have book deals?)
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To: wagglebee

"Well, I'd rather McCain just shut the hell up and retire."


Keep him talking...he just digs his grave deeper and deeper.


313 posted on 04/30/2006 4:31:49 AM PDT by Proud Conservative2 ("When people show you who they are...BELIEVE THEM the first time..." Maya Angelou)
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To: hellinahandcart

unbelievable.


314 posted on 04/30/2006 4:33:17 AM PDT by sauropod (Gael Murphy calls Kristinn her very own "teddy bear")
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To: Babu

"The Pubbie nominee will be either Romney or Allen."

Allen?

http://www.issues2000.org/senate/George_Allen.htm

Pay special attention on how he stands on the second amendment and gun ownership. I cannot back anyone that feels the way he does on this one issue alone.

Look at his answer on topic 10 ..Strongly Oppose means you believe: More guns mean more killing. Limit availability of guns by whatever means are effective. The 2nd amendment does not mean an unlimited right to any and all firearms.


315 posted on 04/30/2006 4:47:33 AM PDT by Proud Conservative2 ("When people show you who they are...BELIEVE THEM the first time..." Maya Angelou)
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To: Torie

As though you of all people, a ComPost-chewing dung beetle who predicted a President Kerry, have any foresight into presidential elections...


316 posted on 04/30/2006 4:52:57 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: SDGOP
"I'd rather have clean government than the 1st amendment"

Interesting, as well as telling, that he sees the two as mutually exclusive.

317 posted on 04/30/2006 4:57:16 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Onelifetogive; All
this is pretty remarkable. Listen to the flow of his remark, which sheds light on his (skewed...) reasoning. This man is an elitist, thinks we don't know jack, and that he can govern us for our benefit better than we ever possibly could. From where I'm looking, the only difference between John McCain and Hillary Clinton at this point is the Pants Suit.

In a nutshell, Johnny boy thinks it's a choice between hypocritical speech, corruption (which apparently in his eyes, only "he" has nobly taken to task) or a "clean" government, again defined by his highness. Not a mention about how his "noble" law illegally and unconstitutionally clamps what and when we can say it. Oh, Johnny-boy, if that were the all-of-the-world, it's a wonder we ever survived the other 229 years of our Nation's existence... we didn't have you to protect us from the corruption that surely existed back then!

Senator McCain, I know you or one of your supporting hacks will be sure to read any comments about this, simply 'cause you're a RINO politico hack, yourself. Here's some news for you: Corruption is a sin that never truly goes away, because its seed can be found in each human breast. THIS IS WHY WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT, dividing power among the three branches so that WE the PEOPLE can LIMIT the power of corruption and/or it's spread over us, and so that WE can exercise our LEGITIMATE RIGHT to keep DEMAGOGUES like Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Al Gore and YOU out of the White House.

It's bad enough, Senator, that you are either too damned foolish or truly do not care a whit about this to see that your self-congratulatory pat-on-the-back for the finance law is not a step towards (your definition of...) "clean" government, but rather a symptom of the disease - your act muzzled the People, and did nothing to "clean" the special interest affects from our political process - does "527" jog any thoughts, Senator? Does the name George Soros ring a bell?

One last time, Senator, in caps so you can Read. It. Slowly. And. Clearly...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

CGVet58

318 posted on 04/30/2006 4:57:18 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: modhom

"... I'd rather have a clean gun than a government where politicians..."

LOL!!! LOVE This!


319 posted on 04/30/2006 5:02:39 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: djf
"If you decide to torture him, you probably don’t get the right information because torture doesn’t work."
"Eventually, I gave them [the VC] my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."
Newsweek: "If Al Qaeda had hidden a nuclear bomb in New York and a suspect involved in the plot had been captured, would you permit torture?"

"You do what you have to do," replied McCain.


320 posted on 04/30/2006 5:06:31 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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