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U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols (telling the Mexican government)
Daily Bulletin ^ | 5/9/2006 | Sara A Carter

Posted on 05/09/2006 6:21:25 AM PDT by IrishMike

While Minuteman civilian patrols are keeping an eye out for illegal border crossers, the U.S. Border Patrol is keeping an eye out for Minutemen -- and telling the Mexican government where they are. According to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Web site, the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants -- and if and when violence is used against border crossers.

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed.

"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said Monday.

"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."

Minuteman members were not so sanguine about the arrangement, however, saying that reporting their location to Mexican officials nullifies their effectiveness along the border and could endanger their lives.

"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.

"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; falsestory; getaclue; gwot; illegalimmigration; illegals; incorrectstory; loudobbs; mexicans; mexico; minutemanproject; minutemen; moonbatbarking; nationalsecurity; notaccurate; nutcases; saraacarter; saracarter; wot
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......< "Once an illegal alien is apprehended, they can request counsel," he said. "We have to give their counsel the information about their apprehension, and that includes where they are apprehended, whether a Minuteman volunteer spotted them or a citizen."

Martinez said Mexico's official perception of the civilian groups is that they are vigilantes, a belief the Border Patrol hoped to allay by entering into the cooperative agreement>........

IT SEEMS BOTH TH US GOVERNMENT AND THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT CONSIDERS THE'MINUTEMEN'...'VIGILANTES'.

1 posted on 05/09/2006 6:21:27 AM PDT by IrishMike
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To: IrishMike

Unbelievable. Now if the Minutemen start building a wall, I suppose the Border Patrol is going to go out with bolt cutters?


2 posted on 05/09/2006 6:23:53 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: IrishMike

This is outrageous! Our government has no business telling foreign governments of U.S. citizens' movements.


3 posted on 05/09/2006 6:23:56 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: IrishMike
This would be like the cops telling burglars what homes are part of a neighborhood watch and what times they are active.

Someone should be fired over this, but, hey, this is the federal government.

4 posted on 05/09/2006 6:24:10 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: IrishMike
a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed.

The "migrant's" rights? What about America's rights?
5 posted on 05/09/2006 6:24:46 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: IrishMike
Minuteman volunteer spotted them or a citizen.

The Minutemen are not citizens?
6 posted on 05/09/2006 6:25:30 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: IrishMike

Why do we even bother to have laws, our own government act in collusion with illegal aliens and foreign governments against it's own people.

The government refuses to do it's job and when the citizens try to do something the government actively world against them.

Claire, is it soon?


7 posted on 05/09/2006 6:27:41 AM PDT by Hawk1976 (Borders. Language. Culture. AAA-0. Free Travis Mcgee.)
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To: P-40

OYu have the rigth to pay your taxes, shut up and sit down.

This is the government you voted for at work.

Prety sad.


8 posted on 05/09/2006 6:28:15 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Hawk1976

world = works, not enough coffee yet.


9 posted on 05/09/2006 6:28:29 AM PDT by Hawk1976 (Borders. Language. Culture. AAA-0. Free Travis Mcgee.)
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To: IrishMike
"This...simply makes two basic statements--that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type..."

Oh really? Which type of lawlessness are you not allowing?

10 posted on 05/09/2006 6:28:50 AM PDT by Tracy V. (Hell is the impossibility of reason)
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To: IrishMike

People need to be fired or prosecuted over this. This is disgusting.


11 posted on 05/09/2006 6:29:01 AM PDT by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: IrishMike

Is Bush a traitor or what?


12 posted on 05/09/2006 6:30:31 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con, American Male (NRA))
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To: IrishMike

outrageous...totally and completely outrageous.


13 posted on 05/09/2006 6:30:52 AM PDT by sofaman ("The Argument from Intimidation is a confession of intellectual impotence." Ayn Rand)
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To: IrishMike
the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants --

I'm friggin' speechless.

14 posted on 05/09/2006 6:31:20 AM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: IrishMike

Geez, we need to weed out the goofy liberal traitors from the border patrol


15 posted on 05/09/2006 6:31:26 AM PDT by irishfox
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To: IrishMike

that migrants' rights are being observed.

They don't have any rights on this side of the border but a quick deportment. THey are CRIMINALS! Isn't that the way the Mexican gov't looks at invaders in their country?


17 posted on 05/09/2006 6:34:02 AM PDT by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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To: IrishMike
"We have to give their counsel the information about their apprehension, and that includes where they are apprehended, whether a Minuteman volunteer spotted them or a citizen."
Uh...I believe that is the same. The Minutemen are citizen volunteers.
Many times, we were told not to go out to Minuteman calls.
Well, there you have it. Can't have the citizens helping in this endeavor. This is sickening.
"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.

"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."
Simcox is spot on with these comments. Like I said, it is sickening and clear that elements of our own government does not want this problem resolved or assisted by American citizens who are patriotic and trying to help. Begins to make one wonder just exactly what it is that they are afraid of.
18 posted on 05/09/2006 6:35:20 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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"New world order"

19 posted on 05/09/2006 6:36:33 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush!)
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To: IrishMike

I'm not surprised.


20 posted on 05/09/2006 6:38:50 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: IrishMike

I smell State Department orders given to Border Patrol via Fox Buddy Bush. Keep it up Bush. When the people turn on the GOP in November you can claim all the credit due to ya for making it all possible.


21 posted on 05/09/2006 6:41:19 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: IrishMike
I am real close to losing my faith in Bush and his administration. If I were to be polled, I'd be one of those conservatives that has lost faith in the President.

This is absolutely ridiculous. What laws have the Minutemen broke to deserve to be dragged threw the mud like this? It's disgusting!!!!!
22 posted on 05/09/2006 6:41:46 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: IrishMike

If you vote for the same, you'll get more of the same.

So far, the GOP aren't proposing any significant changes.


The choice is the wacko left progressive wing of the Democrat Party or the rino wacko progressive wing of the Republican party.

There is no viable 3rd choice, unless enough people show their disgust and go elsewhere.

If you vote for the same, you'll get more of the same.


23 posted on 05/09/2006 6:42:00 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Jeff Head

Well, the mods just took the other thread out of "Breaking News".

Don't want too many people seeing how fed up many of us are with this Administration. They'll probably move this one to chat next.


24 posted on 05/09/2006 6:42:02 AM PDT by Cagey (Doesn't play well with others)
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To: IrishMike

Charging the Mexican government $10,000 for each one illegal alien we return to them would solve this issue once and for all.

12 million illegals X $10,000 each would earn the US Government 120 Billion dollars.... beats the heck out of raising taxes on American citizens!


25 posted on 05/09/2006 6:42:57 AM PDT by conservative physics
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To: IrishMike

No wonder Bush's poll number are in the tank among us Conservatives...!


26 posted on 05/09/2006 6:42:58 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: IrishMike

So our government is calling Mexico to warn them where not to cross illegally?


27 posted on 05/09/2006 6:43:18 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: IrishMike

The Minutemen were infiltrated by "skinheads" who are dangerous. This destroyed their image. The Minutemen need a way to "vet" their volunteers.


29 posted on 05/09/2006 6:43:41 AM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: IrishMike

Welcome to the United States of Mexico.

Co-Presidents Bush and Fox.


30 posted on 05/09/2006 6:43:55 AM PDT by Supernatural (Its getting dark, but its not there yet.)
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To: The South Texan
I am real close to losing my faith in Bush and his administration

Goodness what more do you need....?

31 posted on 05/09/2006 6:44:38 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: griswold3

I'm calling a hug Bravo Sierra on this. The Minutemen do vet their people and any indication of what you indicate gets anyone applying or in the organization the immediate boot.


32 posted on 05/09/2006 6:45:29 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: IrishMike

OK Bushbots: could someone please explain how this can be anything but outright treason.


33 posted on 05/09/2006 6:45:40 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: TomGuy
There is no viable 3rd choice, unless enough people show their disgust and go elsewhere.

Hopefully, they will.
34 posted on 05/09/2006 6:45:43 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: IrishMike
" A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed"

If there was any doubt to "our" gov'ts position this clarifys it.

Absolutely traitorous,no other way to describe it.

35 posted on 05/09/2006 6:46:44 AM PDT by Kakaze (I'm now a single issue voter.....exterminate Al Quaida)
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To: IrishMike

This really needs to be under Breaking News - I had it there but it got pulled as a dup.


36 posted on 05/09/2006 6:46:48 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Cagey
The other thread was pulled.

There are several issues where BUsh has done fine and contiunues to do fine with my support. I agree with and support the actions in Afghanistan and Iraq. We are winning there and our enemies are being drawn to fly traps where they can be fought and eliminated there while we help the people there create much more stable and friendly nations towards us.

In general (outside of the major AWB issue) I support his stand on the 2nd Amendment.

In general I suupport his stance on abortion.

The tax cuts have been critical to the economy and nbeed to be made permanent.

His ideas for social security need to be pursued.

However, his actions as regards the border, the presecription drug program, big "compassionate" government spending, campaign finance reform and (as I said earlier) the Assault Weapon Ban are reprehensible and not worthy of support.

...and, having said that, a Gore or a Kerry would have been infintely worse on all counts.

As to the polls...that's all they are. The only important poll and approval raiting was taken in November 2004. There's another mid term poll coming up, and then the big one in November 2008.

37 posted on 05/09/2006 6:46:58 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: B Knotts

George Bush -- regardless of what you think about his leadership of the War on Terror -- is Jimmy Carter redux.


38 posted on 05/09/2006 6:47:32 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: SouthernFreebird

Not much. The Liberatrain party will have my support this November along with Kinky Freidmen for governor here in Texas.


39 posted on 05/09/2006 6:47:46 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Cagey

No kidding. Admittedly, this one was posted first, but I suspected they'd pull that one because it was in Breaking News. Which is where this belongs, frankly. It's outrageous.

I'm sure the usual suspects will be along to make excuses.

I'm not even one that follows this stuff all that carefully, and think we need more legal immigration. But, this is absolutely egregious, and we need to see some immediate action on this, as well as apologies.


40 posted on 05/09/2006 6:47:55 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: IrishMike
This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type...

How funny is that? If USA Today/Gallup were to poll me today, I too would give President Bush a negative rating.

41 posted on 05/09/2006 6:47:58 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: ARCADIA
" OK Bushbots: could someone please explain how this can be anything but outright treason."

The silence will be deafening, this is indefensible.

42 posted on 05/09/2006 6:48:05 AM PDT by Kakaze (I'm now a single issue voter.....exterminate Al Quaida)
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To: SouthernFreebird
The other thread just disappeared so I'll say it again.

The mods are being very strict on this story.

43 posted on 05/09/2006 6:48:08 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: griswold3
The Minutemen were infiltrated by "skinheads"

Just guessing, but I assume you have some kind of proof of this "infiltration"?
44 posted on 05/09/2006 6:48:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: SouthernFreebird

The Border Patrol would not like citizens disclosing their whereabouts or investigations.

Another example of illegals having more rights than American citizens.


45 posted on 05/09/2006 6:49:08 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: The South Texan

If I go third party, I think it's going to be Constitution party. The Libertarians stance on abortion and moral values are pretty weak at best.


46 posted on 05/09/2006 6:50:10 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: TomGuy
The choice is ...

So, ultimately we're at the point where the choices are "Really, really bad" and "Absolutely ghastly".

Hobb's (Hobson's?) Choice.

47 posted on 05/09/2006 6:50:29 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Cagey
Well, the mods just took the other thread out of "Breaking News". Don't want too many people seeing how fed up many of us are with this Administration. They'll probably move this one to chat next.

The stench can't be masked anymore. There is a lot of outrage at the President and GOP right now by conservatives that they very well have earned. Congress needs to cut it's ties from Bush and correct the course of this nation ASAP back to the ideas that got them there in 94. If they don't they'll be playing minority for years to come.

48 posted on 05/09/2006 6:50:42 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: P-40
"What about America's rights?"

You have no rights, you are nothing more then an insignificant source of revenue.

49 posted on 05/09/2006 6:51:07 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: IrishMike
From that "dusty old document" written by "evil old men."

That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive to these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The pubbies are gonna take a BIG hit in November. They could loose the House and the Senate at this rate.

50 posted on 05/09/2006 6:51:08 AM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ 2005, Texas Minutemen El Paso, Oct and April 2006)
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