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Iran Declares War
The New York Sun VIA Little Green Footballs.com ^ | 5-11-06 | editorail

Posted on 05/11/2006 8:44:27 AM PDT by blasater1960

New York Sun Editorial May 11, 2006

President Ahmadinejad's letter to President Bush, widely interpreted as a peaceful overture, is in fact a declaration of war. The key sentence in the letter is the closing salutation. In an eight-page text of the letter being circulated by the Council on Foreign Relations, it is left untranslated and rendered as "Vasalam Ala Man Ataba'al hoda." What this means is "Peace only unto those who follow the true path."

It is a phrase with historical significance in Islam, for, according to Islamic tradition, in year six of the Hejira - the late 620s - the prophet Mohammad sent letters to the Byzantine emperor and the Sassanid emperor telling them to convert to the true faith of Islam or be conquered. The letters included the same phrase that President Ahmadinejad used to conclude his letter to Mr. Bush. For Mohammad, the letters were a prelude to a Muslim offensive, a war launched for the purpose of imposing Islamic rule over infidels.

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KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; crushislam; globaljihad; iran; iranletter; israel; war; wot
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1 posted on 05/11/2006 8:44:30 AM PDT by blasater1960
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To: blasater1960

Iran declared war on Nov. 4, 1979. We have just not taken them up on it yet.


2 posted on 05/11/2006 8:46:52 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (Rice 2008)
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To: blasater1960

Time for Operation Salamis...though the Administration will probably call it some lame PR name like "Operation Freedom's Da Bomb."


3 posted on 05/11/2006 8:48:20 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (TRY JESUS. If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.)
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To: bondjamesbond
Iran declared war on Nov. 4, 1979. We have just not taken them up on it yet.

Bears repeating.

4 posted on 05/11/2006 8:48:56 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (TRY JESUS. If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.)
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To: blasater1960

Let's finish their 30 year reign of Muslim terror and despotism. And do it damned quick.


5 posted on 05/11/2006 8:49:16 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: blasater1960

Who in his/her right mind would see this as "a peaceful overture". Has no one paid attention to this guy's former outbursts?


6 posted on 05/11/2006 8:50:35 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: mgc1122

This coded letter coupled with the new wipe out Israel comment today SHOULD have the CIA scrambling....


7 posted on 05/11/2006 8:51:27 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Yup. They are secretly hoping Jimmy Carter gets back into the White House, then they will own the middle east as we cut and run.


8 posted on 05/11/2006 8:52:36 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Politicians and the U.S. Government are liars, cheats and thieves, in it for their own gain.)
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To: mgc1122

...couldn't agree more. Like I have always said; "Don't ever put me in charge. The terms 'rolling thunder' and 'collateral damage' would take on entirely new meanings."


9 posted on 05/11/2006 8:52:56 AM PDT by Banjoguy (I refuse to 'Google' anything at anytime.)
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To: blasater1960

"Peace only unto those who follow the true path."

Hallowed are the Ori.
Hallowed are the followers of the Ori.


10 posted on 05/11/2006 8:56:29 AM PDT by CygnusXI (Where's that dang Meteor already?)
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To: mgc1122

Hooah! Exactly.. Has to end sometime, might as well be now before they have the means to be an even bigger pain.


11 posted on 05/11/2006 8:59:05 AM PDT by Andy28 (Proud US Army DEP'er, shipping in June. Hooah!)
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To: blasater1960
"Peace only unto those who follow the true path."

A phrase with great meaning in Islamic tradition.
A phrase which has been previously used as a declaration of war in an effort to rid the world of non-Muslims.
A phrase which is being used, quite likely, as a prelude to Iranian violence against Israel and/or the US.

And when the fighting starts, our leaders will fall all over themselves saying "This is not a war against Islam ..."

12 posted on 05/11/2006 8:59:25 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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To: CygnusXI


You think there are parallels there...me thinks u r right, and on purpose.


13 posted on 05/11/2006 8:59:35 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: Mr. Silverback
"The letters included the same phrase that President Ahmadinejad used to conclude his letter to Mr. Bush. For Mohammad, the letters were a prelude to a Muslim offensive"...

Hummmm coincedence???

14 posted on 05/11/2006 9:00:06 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: bondjamesbond
Iran declared war on Nov. 4, 1979. We have just not taken them up on it yet.

Thank You - my thoughts exactly. They started it, not us.
15 posted on 05/11/2006 9:00:38 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Support American sovereignty - boycott employers of illegal aliens)
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To: blasater1960
For some reason Jimminy Cricket just started singing "When You Wish Upon a Star" in my head and it may be there all day.

TT
16 posted on 05/11/2006 9:02:06 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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17 posted on 05/11/2006 9:02:13 AM PDT by evets (bbq)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Operation Salamis...nice

How about Operation Issis or Operation Diocletian?


18 posted on 05/11/2006 9:02:45 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: bondjamesbond

What? He wants to convert to Christianity?


19 posted on 05/11/2006 9:03:02 AM PDT by aliquis
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To: evets

?


20 posted on 05/11/2006 9:04:37 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: blasater1960

I was sorry that it wasn't possible to read the whole NY Sun article. However, that the phrase is the traditional phrase for the traditional "convert or die" letter, indeed, the very same phrase used by Mad Mo himself, is certainly interesting.

I'm a little puzzled as to why they didn't translate it, though; perhaps so as not to upset anybody? (I'm a translator and am very suspicious of untranslated phrases, because Muslim translators sometimes leave dangerous phrases uninterpreted or attempt to paraphrase them to make them less warlike and hence misleadingly peaceful.)

In any case, there was much discussion yesterday of the meaning of this letter as the standard final warning, and the fact that it used that particular phrase certainly confirms that idea. Hopefully more people are aware of the historical background to the phrase - and I hope somebody gets out there and translates it for the NSA.


21 posted on 05/11/2006 9:05:31 AM PDT by livius
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To: blasater1960
I'll repeat a comment I made yesterday;

Islamofacists have a practice of warning their enemy before they strike by offering them peace if they will willingly convert to Islam and worship Allah. It concerns me greatly that this letter from Amadinijhad to Bush could be that "last letter of warning". See the portions I've highlighted below.

Laura Mansfield has brought this to our attention in her May 8th blog. I think her point is valid.

We had better be on high alert, and not get caught off guard! - OB1

***********************************************

Divine prophets have promised:

All prophets, speak of peace and tranquillity for man -- based on monotheism, justice and respect for human dignity.

Do you not think that if all of us come to believe in and abide by these principles, that is, monotheism, worship of God, justice, respect for the dignity of man, belief in the Last Day, we can overcome the present problems of the world -- that are the result of disobedience to the Almighty and the teachings of prophets -- and improve our performance?

Do you not think that belief in these principles promotes and guarantees peace, friendship and justice?

Do you not think that the aforementioned written or unwritten principles are universally represented?

Will you not accept this invitation? That is, a genuine return to the teachings of prophets, to monotheism and justice, to preserve human dignity and obedience to the Almighty and His prophets?

.......Liberalism and Western-style democracy have not been able to help realize the ideals of humanity. Today these two concepts have failed. Those with insight can already hear the sounds of the shattering and fall of the ideology and thoughts of the Liberal democratic systems.

We increasingly see that people around the world are flocking towards a main focal point -- that is the Almighty God. Undoubtedly through faith in God and the teachings of the prophets, the people will conquer their problems. My question for you is: "Do you not want to join them?"

.......Mr. President,

Whether we like it or not, the world is gravitating towards faith in the Almighty and justice and the will of God will prevail over all things.

17 posted on 05/09/2006 5:00:27 PM CDT by OB1kNOb (Locusts aren't the only thing that swarm across borders wreaking havoc on the invaded nation.)

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22 posted on 05/11/2006 9:06:46 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Locusts aren't the only thing that swarm across borders wreaking havoc on the invaded nation.)
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To: blasater1960
Hummmm coincedence???

Not bloody likely. Thanks for posting this, bTW. Without this article, I might not have understood that final phrase and it's earthshaking significance.

23 posted on 05/11/2006 9:08:19 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (TRY JESUS. If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.)
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To: livius

I agree with you and shouldnt the MSM show some responsibility for preparing the public for what this *could* mean?


24 posted on 05/11/2006 9:08:45 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: blasater1960
This is very significant, Ahmadinejad see himself as a herald to the 12th Imam. I wonder if anyone in the press will comment upon his closing statement? This Ahmadinejad is so blinded by his belief system that he may strike first.
25 posted on 05/11/2006 9:10:01 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence")
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To: OB1kNOb

Excellent post. This is chilling indeed. I wonder if this mad man already has a nuke or two?? He is acting like it.....


26 posted on 05/11/2006 9:11:33 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: 2001convSVT

This guy is one spooky character. I also read elseware that he is sending troops to Sudan for a possible back-door into the Negev in Israel...


27 posted on 05/11/2006 9:17:29 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: blasater1960
I-ma-wack-job may be declaring war Muhammed....

Say...that'd make a catchy little tune...

I-ma-wack-job and I'm ok,
I plot all night and I blather all day.

I make a-bombs and eat my lunch,
I eat from the lava-try.
On Wednesdays I go shoppin'
And bugger boys in threes.

I rag on Bush, I skip and jump,
I like to fool the Press.
I put on women's clothing,
How do you like my dress?

I posture and strut, I wear high heels,
Suspendies and a bra.
I wish I'd been a girlie,
Just like my dear Imam.

28 posted on 05/11/2006 9:17:30 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I can't complain...but sometimes I still do.)
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bump


29 posted on 05/11/2006 9:18:10 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: CygnusXI
Hallowed are the Ori.

Thanks for the best chuckle of the day so far.

I may stop laughing if I think about it too hard.

30 posted on 05/11/2006 9:18:33 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I can't complain...but sometimes I still do.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Well Done! Except I got a visual of that monkey in a dress!


31 posted on 05/11/2006 9:20:13 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: blasater1960
shouldnt the MSM show some responsibility for preparing the public

Bizarre. I have this feeling that we are all just sleepwalking right now. I actually think Bush is probably paying attention and preparing, which is one of the reasons we are hearing so little out of Washington these days and probably also one of the reasons for the appointment of Hayden.

But amazingly enough, the main reaction of the Dems yesterday seemed to be, "Awww, isn't that sweet, see, all he's saying is give peace a chance..." So even if the press did report it, that wouldn't be enough to convince people who don't want to hear it.

32 posted on 05/11/2006 9:23:02 AM PDT by livius
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To: bondjamesbond

Agreed. They invaded our country and took hostages. Little Peanut was stupid to recognize that fact.


33 posted on 05/11/2006 9:24:01 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Crush Code Pink, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of the womyn)
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To: Mr. Silverback
After 9/11, when we were trying to guess what the military response operation would be called, my mother came up with a great one: Operation Avenging Eagle.

I just loved that.
34 posted on 05/11/2006 9:24:53 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Pudding won't fill the emptiness inside me . . . but it'll help.)
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To: blasater1960
Excellent post. This is chilling indeed. I wonder if this mad man already has a nuke or two?? He is acting like it.....

Yes, he does act like he's already got something. It's almost as if he's trying to provoke Israel into launching an airstrike. That way he can send a nuke or order the one's he already prepositioned to be exploded. It sounds crazy but this guy is just a little too arrogant for comfort.

35 posted on 05/11/2006 9:25:19 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: blasater1960; jveritas
jveritas, I wonder if our resident Arabic expert can throw any light on this - it certainly sounds ominous in light of the tradition cited, but I have no way of knowing whether the author is correct. It makes sense to me........

The key sentence in the letter is the closing salutation. In an eight-page text of the letter being circulated by the Council on Foreign Relations, it is left untranslated and rendered as "Vasalam Ala Man Ataba'al hoda." What this means is "Peace only unto those who follow the true path." It is a phrase with historical significance in Islam, for, according to Islamic tradition, in year six of the Hejira - the late 620s - the prophet Mohammad sent letters to the Byzantine emperor and the Sassanid emperor telling them to convert to the true faith of Islam or be conquered. The letters included the same phrase that President Ahmadinejad used to conclude his letter to Mr. Bush. For Mohammad, the letters were a prelude to a Muslim offensive, a war launched for the purpose of imposing Islamic rule over infidels.
36 posted on 05/11/2006 9:25:45 AM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: livius
It's like Mars Attacks, as a Rush caller noticed.
37 posted on 05/11/2006 9:26:33 AM PDT by txhurl (Mas boicot, por favor!)
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To: bondjamesbond

I agree.


38 posted on 05/11/2006 9:28:14 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Enhance Capitol security: Censure Cynthia!)
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To: livius
"I'm a translator and am very suspicious of untranslated phrases, because Muslim translators sometimes leave dangerous phrases uninterpreted or attempt to paraphrase them to make them less warlike and hence misleadingly peaceful."

It is interesting to hear you say that. I have wondered. Are we getting the most accurate rendering...

39 posted on 05/11/2006 9:28:34 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: Velveeta; JustPiper; MamaDearest; WestCoastGal; nw_arizona_granny

FYI


40 posted on 05/11/2006 9:28:46 AM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: aliquis
What? He wants to convert to Christianity?

LOL!

41 posted on 05/11/2006 9:30:06 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (TRY JESUS. If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.)
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To: livius
Bizarre. I have this feeling that we are all just sleepwalking right now.

"Strong delusion" are the Biblical words that keep coming to my mind. - OB1

42 posted on 05/11/2006 9:33:44 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Locusts aren't the only thing that swarm across borders wreaking havoc on the invaded nation.)
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To: sarasota
"Who in his/her right mind would see this as "a peaceful overture". Has no one paid attention to this guy's former outbursts?"

Now where is your political correctness today?

We're all supposed to play stupid and pretend Islam is just another way of "worshiping" the God of the Bible.

I'm still searching the Bible for ANY commonalities between Allah and God. So far I haven't found anything about eternal life in a brothel in the Bible, though.

I have no trouble finding common traits between Allah and another prominent Bible figure, however, i.e., the father of lies and Destruction of human souls, Satan.

43 posted on 05/11/2006 9:35:37 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

Little Peanut and Klinton....Iran, unfinished business and Usama unfinished business and North Korea gets nukes during Klinton, unfinished business...The Rats!


44 posted on 05/11/2006 9:37:01 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: Rushmore Rocks; StillProud2BeFree

Thanks, RR.

Pinging SP2BF

>>>>Vasalam Ala Man Ataba’al hoda

Do you have a translation for the above?


45 posted on 05/11/2006 9:41:44 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: bondjamesbond

About time, don't you think?


46 posted on 05/11/2006 9:43:12 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: Velveeta; StillProud2BeFree

I should have pinged Laura myself.........sorry.


47 posted on 05/11/2006 9:43:55 AM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: txflake

It really is like Mars Attacks; it has all the earmarks of a genuine Grade B movie.


48 posted on 05/11/2006 9:44:44 AM PDT by livius
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To: OB1kNOb

"We increasingly see that people around the world are flocking towards a main focal point -- that is the Almighty God. Undoubtedly through faith in God and the teachings of the prophets, the people will conquer their problems. My question for you is: "Do you not want to join them?" "

Convert or die then. OK, then some of us will die but all of Iran's ruling ayatollah leadership will die to the man. I guess we will see who the true God of this universe is - the one who promotes peace, freedom and happiness for ALL MANKIND or the god of slavery, lies and murder. For those who believe that Islam is a religion of peace - Amadinijhad is simply practicing the true faith of Islam.


49 posted on 05/11/2006 9:46:02 AM PDT by quantfive
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To: OB1kNOb

Here's my question: Why didn't the prime minister of Israel get a letter like this?


50 posted on 05/11/2006 9:46:45 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (TRY JESUS. If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.)
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