The First Entirely Positive,“How do we Help Solve the Illegal Immigration Problem?" Thread

5.12.06 | ohioWfan

[ohioWfan]

I’m going to try something entirely new to Free Republic………..start a thread restricted to practical, positive. pro-active things that this huge forum filled with good people who love this country can actually DO about helping to solve the illegal immigration problem, and how we can ‘encourage’ our leaders at all levels to get their acts together.

This is not a thread for venting or attacking (Heaven knows, that‘s been done plenty around here!). Let’s keep it entirely positive……..no attacks on the President and ‘Bushbots’ or the GOP………or on each other, from EITHER side. No threats to ’kick the GOP bums out’ …….we all know that the risk of having Dems in power is too great for that irresponsible threat. NO name-calling from EITHER side……..’Jorge‘ and ‘El Presidente‘ both qualify as disrespectful name-calling. (Perhaps we can all just ignore anyone who tries to turn this into a hostile thread, and punch the abuse button, but NOT engage in battle with him/her). Disagree, but be respectful about it.

What we really need are practical things we can do……with links to key Senate and Congressional offices, the White House, as well as STATE and LOCAL government offices, examples of THOUGHTFUL and POSITIVE letters to our leaders that will actually be read, and responded to. Phone numbers, and ideas for THOUGHTFUL and POSITIVE phone calls to leaders. What we also need are specific PRAYER requests for you, so that those of us who believe that our God is the God of the impossible can be on our knees in prayer for the details of this immense problem. We need fervent prayer for the President and Congress, as well as our State and Local authorities. And we need Freeper creativity!

We are LEGION, and together, I believe we can make a difference in moving this engine down the track more rapidly.

There are people who are very angry with the President and the Republicans in Congress, and people who still respect and admire the President greatly, and are angry with the Republicans in Congress……..and even some who are NOT angry with the Republicans in Congress (OK……..maybe not..... :)………..but we ALL want to end this invasion, and help our brothers and sisters in the Southwest to have their safe and normal lives return, and prevent the invasion from moving further.

Those of us outside the region may not understand what things are like, but we want to, so if those of you in the affected states could give us more details about how bad this is, without belittling us because we don’t live there, it would be much appreciated. We know it‘s bad, and we care about it, even though we cannot fully appreciate it from where we sit.

There is a great work force of pro-Bush people out in freeper lurker land who have been shoved out of the discussion by bashers. There are lots of us who want to know what’s going on, but wouldn’t go on a standard immigration thread if our lives depended on it, because the disdain for us there is palpable. We may agree with the idea of a guest worker program, or we may not, but we don‘t want to be labeled just because our ideas are different.

So…… LET US HELP YOU, PLEASE! We are activists, and we are willing to work.

Tell us what we can do. Let’s band together on this important issue to do whatever we can do to put pressure on Congress, the White House, state and local governments………polite, respectful pressure……….as well as encouraging them when they do make good decisions, and see what happens.

What do you think? Can we be pro-active and actually get something done? Can we discuss this without rancor, but with the common goal in mind to rescue our beloved country from invasion?

If you think so, please ping those who will, without personal attacks, tell us their stories, and let us get involved in getting something done. This thread is not to place blame, but to come up with solutions.

This is America………..and we are Freepers! Let’s ROLL!

[Lurker]

Not before, during treatment. If they can't produce 'em call the BP and have them look into things. Once the word gets out that "La Migra" is watching hospital ERs that crap will come to a screeching halt.

L

[skeeter]

He's branded himself into immigration reform

As in the House's definition of reform, or the Senate's?

If the former, I wish him Godspeed.

[SoCalPol]

Both of us living in the same city we see what most on FR do not.
As we have stated, we would like to see more of a clean up but since this has been going on especially since the 1990s
we need to first secure the border and take it from there.

I am sitting 15 miles north from the largest and busiest border crossing in the world. It is another front in the
war on terror in more ways than one.

The two extremes on the border issue both need to get real.
The ones who wold rather spite the republicans because they don't get their way and give us a democrat
and
the ones who don't want to hear about the border issue
and just think happy thoughts

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The both extremes, Get Real and Get onboard.

[CAluvdubya]

The problem there is not with immigration, it's with whatever form of benighted, hyper-paternalistic socialism you got goin' there in San Diego that gives out such benefits.

Guess again if you think CA is the only state that does this. Other states have their own share of benefits going. Many states don't allow LO to ask for documentation. From there a whole host of benefits can be had.

[kerryusama04]

You said that legalizing those that are here would demand prevailing wages and then drain social services. That does not compute.

It computes. I explained it in the previous post. We need to assess the actual demand for unskilled labor and estimate the wage for legal workers to fill those positions prior to granting anesty for anyone or else we will increase the demands on our social service exponentially. The current system is simply unfair. We allow people to break our laws so that we can artificially keep our cost of living down while retarding wage increases for citizens. This is the "bubble" of the 21st century IMHO.

The problem for the guest workers is that if they are not working then they have to leave.

Teddy Kennedy and crew will never allow this. I saw an LS400 in Memphis a while back with a "W - still the President" sticker on it being driven by a successful black man. The left needs victimology to survive, and they will never kick out hungry, poor, homeless people.

But yes, without illegal labor rates you will be surprised at the at least temporary inflation rates. It will have a ripple effect so you had best be prepared.

I'm no fool, and I anticipate this. The market always corrects itself. John Deere will invent something to replace those overpriced laborers!

[ohioWfan]

THANK you, T! (From you that means a lot! :)

[Texasforever]

Since prices are generally set at what the market will bare, I suspect there will be little or no noticeable difference should all illegals be forced back to whence they came.

No, supply just dries up and you are back into inflation. Now I know you think that all will be peaches and cream but there is a reason that only one in ten people owned their own home in the fifties and now better than half own their homes. Homes are the most labor intensive commodity we sell right now.

[Torie]

Let's let them know that we want our laws enforced.

The laws when it comes to employers are largely unenforceable without a much better ID system, and a cross checking and information sharing mechanism, so fake SS numbers can be identified, and the employer will need a paper trail that the SS numbers have been verified as real, and ones held by those that are here legally.

[ohioWfan]

I haven't thought about Dual citizenship, Lib.

Any thoughts, anyone?

[Rokke]

"Not that I'm against a wall, but I think we can skin the cat without spending all that money on contractors who'd most likely just hire illegals to build the damned thing anyway."

Bingo. Although I am against the wall. It would be hugely expensive and walls never work. You are exactly right though. The problem is solvable without spending more money. Especially with federal programs, which are the LEAST cost effective programs on the planet.

[ohioWfan]

Good point, Torie. So is it the Congress that needs to improve the ID system?

[brazzaville]

Good evening.
"The $64 question is, of course, what to do with the 11-20 million criminals in our midst?"

Once we have reduced the flow to a trickle, we can solve the problem of the ones already here.

As long as there are two, or three, or 5, sneaking in to replace each one we deport we can't hope to control it. Michael Frazier

[eeriegeno]

Step six: Require that illegal aliens can either find their way back home or be drafted into the military for a three year period to relieve the troops in Iraq who would be redeployed to protect our borders. At the end of the three year period, citizenship would be granted.........

[investigateworld]

After the borders are sealed and 90% of the illegals are booted and lettuces hit $5.00 a head, then the following would be workable.
Allocate each 'district' in Mexico so many worker positions.When someone from that district screws up, like DUI, criminal behavior, then that district loses a slot.
The peer pressure to not embarrass the 'familia' would make for positive contributions by the rest.
(I know, too simple to work) No worker to be brought in without the employer paying for their health insurance. No females of child bearing age of course.

[CAluvdubya]

Yes, doodlelady, Bilbray has my vote! And I'm not staying home! LOL

[b9]

The House.

[mthom]

"smart" wall= virtual fence= not a fence at all

[ohioWfan]

That's part of what I'd like to help accomplish here, SoCal.

Create an opportunity for all of us to see what YOU see, and to understand that this is serious........without being being beaten about the head until bloody. :)

SO many freepers have been avoiding these threads completely, and we NEED to have this information so that we can be aware of what's really going on.

[Texasforever]

It computes. I explained it in the previous post. We need to assess the actual demand for unskilled labor and estimate the wage for legal workers to fill those positions prior to granting anesty for anyone or else we will increase the demands on our social service exponentially.

That is already assessed. The market knows exactly how much unskilled labor is required. The dirty little secret is that in less than four years we will see the largest exodus from the workforce in our history with the retirement of the boomers. We will also see, for the first time, the tax payer pyramid invert with more people retired than working. Unless the tax base is somehow expanded it is going to get ugly fast because the boomers are going to be real militant when it comes to social security and medicare.

[skeeter]

Now I know you think that all will be peaches and cream but there is a reason that only one in ten people owned their own home in the fifties and now better than half own their homes.

I suspect cheap money has more to do with that than the ultra-affordable price of housing, don't you?