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The First Entirely Positive,“How do we Help Solve the Illegal Immigration Problem?" Thread
5.12.06 | ohioWfan

Posted on 05/12/2006 5:47:27 PM PDT by ohioWfan

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To: quadrant

Excellent points


861 posted on 05/13/2006 10:43:39 AM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God bless and protect our troops and their CIC.)
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To: quadrant
Therein lies the rub. They really, really consider this their country, if you look at their map they basically consider everything West of the Mississippi as stolen from Mexico. Obviously, they haven't been taught the real history of the land.

When you see some of the advocates on Fox they will come out and say there shouldn't be any North American borders and should be free to roam from Central Americal to Canada and back.

The one guy who is the most arrogant of them all -- well almost -- Juan something -- just wrote a book and O'Reilly had him on this week... I can't even watch that guy he's so smarmy.

862 posted on 05/13/2006 10:44:08 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: kstewskis

What is going to be fascinating is the court challenges to his enforcement. Let's hope they get a Bush appointed judge instead of a Clinton judge.


863 posted on 05/13/2006 10:45:40 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

"Anyone who thinks the dems are not going to run on the border issue should listen to these ads..."

Thanks for confirming that my thoughts on Goldwater are right. The Dims are now all over this issue - - see my post not too far above this one on the Hill and Chuckie show (yuck!)


864 posted on 05/13/2006 10:46:20 AM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God bless and protect our troops and their CIC.)
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To: Seattle Conservative
Not suprising at all, except Hillary can't seem to make up her mind what she is for or against, can she? I can see the Kerry flip-flop ads all over again in '08.

I thin Howard Dean is changing the play book -- actually I think they all changed their playbook last week. I saw Pelosi came out and said "We are not going to impeach the President."

Bait and switch if you ask me, but how many will fall for it because the dems are now saying they want strong borders?

We need to be very careful of the Trojan Horse called the Democratic Party.

865 posted on 05/13/2006 10:50:43 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I can't think of any election, in my lifetime, that will be more important than 2008...

Agreed! Our folks aren't taking it that seriously.


866 posted on 05/13/2006 10:50:44 AM PDT by ConservativeGreek
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To: Seattle Conservative

Thanks for the info SC. I'll need to dig further. I don't know that I understand exactly how the misdemeanor would work. A "civil penalty" doesn't sound very strong to me. It has definitely got to have serious consequences or it means squat.


867 posted on 05/13/2006 10:51:34 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: ConservativeGreek

I was reading the National Geographic article this morning on Hugo Chavez. I couldn't help but hear the sounds of Hillary, ringing in my ears, saying "we're going to take from you for the common good." (Hillary Clinton in San Francisco at a speech with Barbara Boxer in 2004).


868 posted on 05/13/2006 10:52:58 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

"We need to be very careful of the Trojan Horse called the Democratic Party."

Excellent way of putting it Carolyn! And, you are so right - -we must be verrrrrry careful and diligent on pointing out their lies as well as the ones of the MSM.


869 posted on 05/13/2006 10:54:55 AM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God bless and protect our troops and their CIC.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Sadly, Mexico is a country that has lived on romantic illusions since its founding.


870 posted on 05/13/2006 11:13:17 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: ohioWfan

"IMO, the most important thing is that we all agree that this has to be stopped, and that we all need to be pushing our own representatives to get going NOW."

bump!


871 posted on 05/13/2006 11:14:34 AM PDT by windchime (democrats: No Hope....All Hate)
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To: windchime
Thanks for the BUMP, windchime. Over 870 posts and almost entirely pro-active and positive.

Let's go from here, shall we?

872 posted on 05/13/2006 11:17:14 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi LIBERATION Vet! THANKS, son!!.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I agree, and bttt


873 posted on 05/13/2006 11:27:59 AM PDT by SnarlinCubBear (We're all legal in His eyes, but not in the USA...there's a difference)
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To: Dane
Farmers and contractors are not evil.

No one said that law-abiding farmers and contractors are evil.

874 posted on 05/13/2006 11:29:25 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

to take from you for the common good."

Yep, their common good is government and themselves.


875 posted on 05/13/2006 11:56:11 AM PDT by ConservativeGreek
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To: Dane
Farmers and contractors are not evil.

Straw Dog.

The key here as Spiff pointed out is "law abiding". There will be a window but this will and is closing. If individuals or companies continue to engage in unlawful illegal employment practices they need to be prosecuted severely.

The American people are not stupid nor unreasonable. If farmers legitimately need imported labor then it shall be but Americans are no longer just going to accept the status quo or that any particular premise about it is necessarily true. You could say we are all from Missouri now because you are going to have to show me.

876 posted on 05/13/2006 12:17:36 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: DamonSt

The problem with ANY government agency has always been, and ever shall be, the entrenched bureaucrats who have made this their career. The "appointee" has an easy or hard time depending on who is at the top. GW's appointees were guaranteed a bad time simply because of WHO appointed them- nothing more.

Homeland Security is the only agency I am willing to cut some slack. For ONCE it has to do with actual Constitutional requirements to protect the country and the borders from foreign threats. It is the ONLY agency that does.

It is unfortunate that the employees of these agencies have turned them into the "ministries" that Orwell warned us about.


877 posted on 05/13/2006 12:22:14 PM PDT by 13Sisters76
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To: ohioWfan
I only know, for sure and certain, PERSONALLY, that N.Y.C. and Chicago have these laws and that they have been in place for at least three decades.

OTOH, I have read and heard that other locals have them; however, that is not exactly first hand knowledge. Though I do believe that this IS factual and true. It is up to everyone to learn about just WHAT is really true about the place they live. I suspect, that it may surprise some and make everyone angrier than a disturbed hornets' nest.

Ohio, or parts of it, may very well have these laws/statutes as well.

Yes, it IS incumbent upon everyone to find out the facts and do something at THE LOCAL LEVEL! It's long past time for supposed Conservatives to get involved, at home, and to stop yelling for the federal government to solve the problems that should be taken care of in one's onw community. After all, aren't we supposed to be for a smaller fed government?

878 posted on 05/13/2006 12:27:56 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ohioWfan

Conn. requires TWO forms of ID, to be presented, before one is allowed to enter the voting booth.


879 posted on 05/13/2006 12:34:11 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Final Authority
You're being childish and not adding anything worthwhile to this thread.

Didn't you read the header? Your post is precisely what was asked NOT to b e posted, since it is not only counter productive, but emotional and ridiculous.

880 posted on 05/13/2006 12:37:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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