Posted on 05/12/2006 5:47:27 PM PDT by ohioWfan
I’m going to try something entirely new to Free Republic………..start a thread restricted to practical, positive. pro-active things that this huge forum filled with good people who love this country can actually DO about helping to solve the illegal immigration problem, and how we can ‘encourage’ our leaders at all levels to get their acts together.
This is not a thread for venting or attacking (Heaven knows, that‘s been done plenty around here!). Let’s keep it entirely positive……..no attacks on the President and ‘Bushbots’ or the GOP………or on each other, from EITHER side. No threats to ’kick the GOP bums out’ …….we all know that the risk of having Dems in power is too great for that irresponsible threat. NO name-calling from EITHER side……..’Jorge‘ and ‘El Presidente‘ both qualify as disrespectful name-calling. (Perhaps we can all just ignore anyone who tries to turn this into a hostile thread, and punch the abuse button, but NOT engage in battle with him/her). Disagree, but be respectful about it.
What we really need are practical things we can do……with links to key Senate and Congressional offices, the White House, as well as STATE and LOCAL government offices, examples of THOUGHTFUL and POSITIVE letters to our leaders that will actually be read, and responded to. Phone numbers, and ideas for THOUGHTFUL and POSITIVE phone calls to leaders. What we also need are specific PRAYER requests for you, so that those of us who believe that our God is the God of the impossible can be on our knees in prayer for the details of this immense problem. We need fervent prayer for the President and Congress, as well as our State and Local authorities. And we need Freeper creativity!
We are LEGION, and together, I believe we can make a difference in moving this engine down the track more rapidly.
There are people who are very angry with the President and the Republicans in Congress, and people who still respect and admire the President greatly, and are angry with the Republicans in Congress……..and even some who are NOT angry with the Republicans in Congress (OK……..maybe not..... :)………..but we ALL want to end this invasion, and help our brothers and sisters in the Southwest to have their safe and normal lives return, and prevent the invasion from moving further.
Those of us outside the region may not understand what things are like, but we want to, so if those of you in the affected states could give us more details about how bad this is, without belittling us because we don’t live there, it would be much appreciated. We know it‘s bad, and we care about it, even though we cannot fully appreciate it from where we sit.
There is a great work force of pro-Bush people out in freeper lurker land who have been shoved out of the discussion by bashers. There are lots of us who want to know what’s going on, but wouldn’t go on a standard immigration thread if our lives depended on it, because the disdain for us there is palpable. We may agree with the idea of a guest worker program, or we may not, but we don‘t want to be labeled just because our ideas are different.
So…… LET US HELP YOU, PLEASE! We are activists, and we are willing to work.
Tell us what we can do. Let’s band together on this important issue to do whatever we can do to put pressure on Congress, the White House, state and local governments………polite, respectful pressure……….as well as encouraging them when they do make good decisions, and see what happens.
What do you think? Can we be pro-active and actually get something done? Can we discuss this without rancor, but with the common goal in mind to rescue our beloved country from invasion?
If you think so, please ping those who will, without personal attacks, tell us their stories, and let us get involved in getting something done. This thread is not to place blame, but to come up with solutions.
This is America………..and we are Freepers! Let’s ROLL!
Haven't seen any helmets, shields, swords, breastplates there, etc. but there's a section I don't bother with...perhaps they're in it ??? (Ok, did you start this or did I?)
I think you're right, txr.
Just saw this article. IMHO the Dims and illegals are going to have a more difficult time calling those who want no amnesty and more border controls 'racists' after this (though, I suspect they'll overlook it and find a way):
Hispanic American Coalition Tells Frist No to Amnesty
CNSNews.com ^ | 5/12/06 | Melanie Hunter
Posted on 05/13/2006 9:20:53 AM PDT by AmericaOne
Hispanic American Coalition Tells Frist No to Amnesty
(CNSNews.com) - A coalition of Hispanic Americans is teaming up with U.S. House leaders in sending a letter to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) to express their opposition to legislation that would grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. The coalition, called You Don't Speak for Me!, was formed after the recent demonstrations by illegal aliens and their supporters who want the government to grant them amnesty. "When it comes to immigration policy, the United States Senate apparently doesn't speak for anyone, except the people who have broken our laws and cheap labor business interests," retired Col. Al Rodriguez said in a press release. "National polls - especially those done after the May 1 illegal alien protests and boycott - show that an overwhelming majority of Americans oppose the kind of amnesty being promoted by the Senate and the White House. That opposition includes millions of Americans who are of Hispanic heritage," said Rodriguez, whose coalition plans to hold a press conference on Tuesday at 2:30pm in the Cannon House Office Building
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1631671/posts
I'm pretty sure it was you, tx. ;)
That's a horrific story, McGavin. We do need to fix this. No doubt.
Did you forget to add the tags, or are you dismissing this entire thread and it's pro-active thrust?
Can anyone elaborate on this?
I'd want to know more about it. If it in anyway takes the "teeth" out of enforcement or makes it little more then a slap on the wrist. I am vehemently against doing this.
"From where?", I asked.
You don't seem to want to answer that so I will make a proprosal.
Here is what I proprose then. Since we have an estimated 11 million illegals here now, most of whom (I'll say 8 million) are from Mexico/Central America/South America (M/CA/SA) and we assume the rest are from other parts of the world, we need to balance that out? Right? That leaves a differential of 8 million.
So. First, we secure our southern border and northern border. Then, taking up to 3 million legal immigrants, who meet our qualifications, per year from these other ethnic regions around the world. (Note: we are not taking 3 million each, but a total of three million each year till they reach that 8 million goal per ethinc region):
1. The European Union/Great Britain
2. Eastern Europe
3. Russia/The Balkan States
4. China
5. Western Asia
6. Southern Asia
7. The Middle East
8. The African Tribal Nations
9. South Africa
10. New Zealand/Australia/South Pacific
11. The Eskimo/Aleut/Northern Peoples
12. The Carribean
That's the best I can come up with. Any more?
In the meantime (you knew there was one of those, didn't you?) we put a moratorium on immigration from the M/CA/SA region until that quota of 8 million from each of those other regions is met bringing in a limit of 3 million per year regardless of the makeup.
That means we have to bring in 96 million from those other 12 regions. Dividing that by 3 million means that the moratorium on the M/CA/SA region would last 32 years.
I could go for that.
It seems to me, that businesses with a "need" for guest workers could submit a request for them(that might include ILLEGALS already working for them since they know their work history.) Everyone else can be fair game for deportation. Businesses that hire ILLEGALS under the table would be subject to fines that would literally bankrupt them.
"House wants to change 'felony' to a 'misdemeanor'
Can anyone elaborate on this?"
I can only find this right now, but know I have seen/heard other comments on it.
'Strong border security,' no felonies, led to waves of public protests
Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau ^ | April 12, 2006 | GEBE MARTINEZ and SAMANTHA LEVINE
Posted on 04/12/2006 7:02:52 AM PDT by Dubya
WASHINGTON - After the widespread marches in support of illegal immigrants, top Republican congressional leaders retreated Tuesday from the portion of a House bill that would make illegal immigration or visa violation a felony.
"It remains our intent to produce a strong border security bill that will not make unlawful presence in the United States a felony," House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee said.
Their joint written statement came as GOP leaders seek a balance between easing public criticism of the bill and preserving the law-and-order approach to illegal immigration as demanded by many social conservatives.
A felony charge would subject illegal immigrants — there are about 12 million in the United States — to a year in jail before deportation. It would also apply to students, tourists and others who overstay their visas.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1613702/posts
BTW, how many 'safe' houses have they raided in the Phoenix or Yuma area in the past few weeks? I've lost count. We had one only a couple of blocks from us. When we had neighborhoood watch meeting, with the local police, several people pressed on the activities at that house and the office said: It's a drop house for illegals...
Police knew, but let it continue until last Memorial Day weekend when they raided that house and four others in an early morning, planned, raid with help from surrounding communities SWAT. Most police departments in small towns are not equiped to handle the influx of problems this is bringing.
I agree that the laws must be enforced, but the first step is a mental alignment.
We - and Mexico - must agree that the two countries are separate entities; that the border is a real and defined geographic, cultural, linguistic, economic, and political boundary; and that no right exists either in law or fact to cross the border without the consent of the government of either state.
If true, then this proves that vigerous surveilance and enforcement does work.
I can't think of any election, in my lifetime, that will be more important than 2008... this is the big one, the one we have all dreaded since 2000.
I agree. Once upon a time there used to be those few "rough" areas, and if you avoided them, all was well.
Not anymore, they have spread like a malignant disease. And if you are not directly in one, you are still a target because their spawn will come into your neighborhood, and take what doesn't belong to them.
Thank goodness for our neighborhood watch programs. When it comes right down to it, we need to open our windows, sit on the porch a little more often, and look after each other these days.
Pederson (wealthy businessman) has been running his ads with outright lies about Kyl -- actually putting McCain's words and immigration bill into Kyl's mouth (so to speak) and then trying to say how 'independent' a democrat he is and how HE will do something about the borders, etc..
Anyone who thinks the dems are not going to run on the border issue should listen to these ads...
If true, then this proves that vigerous surveilance and enforcement does work.
This is good news, because Phoenix is a major staging area for shipment out to other areas of the country. Both drugs and human cargo.
This just went into effect a couple of days ago. I'll be interested in the statistics in the next few weeks/months.
I hope the other sheriff's in the surrounding counties take notice, and enforce our State law.
Great job Ohio!
We need to address how to have 12 million workers in a full employment economy.
Pray for W and Our Troops
"The ACLU is playing it's usual deceit game."
So are the Dims, and, they will continue to do so.
Rush already mentioned in the past few months that we should just adopt Dingy Harry's immigration proposal from about 1993 (Harry Reid has done a complete 180 on his thoughts from back then, and, of course whitewashed it - - my guess is that if Bubba had been in office and wanted it, he would support it now.
Of course, Howard Dean read the polls and came out last week and said we needed to get tough on border security.
It's been in the news today that the Pres is going to talk about sending troops to the border Mon night (stories last week were on the Pentagon asking the House to pass a bill allowing them to do just that and the House passing said bill). While the stories on the Pres's speech are the usual 'sources say' and I'm not sure anyone knows for sure what the Pres is going to say, Hill and Chuckie have again read the polls and have already come out today, trying to steal a little of the President's thunder and look 'tough' on Nat'l security (I suppose they'll still find a way to pander to the Hispanic community) (see the article below - I hope Chuckie doesn't trip over anything running to the microphones). How do they know Bush is sending NG to the border (though it might be a good assumption) and how do they know he's going to say no guns? If the troops are armed, are they going to say "Glad he listened to us"??
Bottom line is the Pubbies need to listen to this base and also get on top and out in front of this issue NOW and NOT let the Dims, who have been dragging their feet, pandering to unions and the Hispanics, and previously blocking discussions and amendments in the Senate take this issue over.
Hillary and Schumer have been their normal, disingenious selves:
Flashback: Hillary Clinton, Charles Schumer Nix Border Security Bill
NewsMax ^ | July 16, 2005
Posted on 04/23/2006 3:57:44 PM PDT by santorumlite
Hillary Clinton, Charles Schumer Nix Border Security Bill
New York's two senators, Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer - who have been complaining since the London bombing attacks that the federal government hasn't done enough to protect the U.S. from terrorists - voted against legislation to enhance border security on Thursday.
Clinton and Schumer turned thumbs down on two amendments to a Department of Homeland Security spending bill, which, according to the Washington Times, would have funded plans for 2,000 new Border Patrol agents and more than 5,000 new detention beds to house illegal aliens.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1620181/posts
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