Posted on 05/14/2006 5:49:04 PM PDT by AmericaOne
From a couple of earlier FR post, ”Bush set for immigration speech and ”House/Senate Conference: Hastert Turning His Back On Us????”, it appears that Speaker Hastert is indicating that he favors appointing members who support amnesty to the Conference Committee. Both President Bush and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist are pressuring Hastert to secure a guest worker amnesty for which the President can claim credit by stacking the Conference Committee with amnesty backers!
We need to REALLY put pressure on the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus (Tancredo, Hayworth, King, etc.) to start flexing some of their own political muscle.
Tancredo, Hayworth and the rest of the 90 + members of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus (CIRC) still have a very powerful ace up their sleeve, if they are willing to use it.
If these reports are true and Hastert will do whatever it takes to get an Amnesty bill thru the House, then what the CIRC has to do is first go up to Hastert and warn him that if he packs the House side of the Conference Committee with those who favor amnesty and/or tries any shenanigans in getting an Amnesty bill thru the House (like he did for the Medicare Prescription Drug Plan), then they will do the following:
1. Immediately announce that they are publicly withdrawing their voting support for Speaker Hastert, probably by temporarily leaving the Republican Caucus. That would mean that Speaker Hastert would no longer have the majority of votes in the House to remain speaker. Remember, for voting on the Speaker of the House, the whole house votes for the Speaker, not just the majority party. Remember the bru ha ha a few years back when a Democrat crossed party lines to vote for Hastert as Speaker.
2. This would then force Hastert out as Speaker immediately, since he no longer has the majority of the House backing him as Speaker.
3. There would then be two possibilities of this:
a. This would mean that if the GOP wants the next Speaker to be from the GOP for the rest of this Congress, then they had better pick someone who the CIRC approves of. The CIRC can really show some leverage here, either they will cast their votes for someone who agrees with them on immigration or if they do not support whom the rest of the GOP puts up as Hastert’s replacement, they then can:
b. The CIRC membership does not cast a vote for Speaker, sits out the election and Pelosi picks up the Speaker ship by default (YIKES). I doubt the rats would vote to retain Hastert or any other Republican as speaker.
The CIRC potentially holds an awful lot of leverage and power here, if they are willing to exercise it. I suggest we all contact the members of the CIRC and remind them of this. Give them the encouragement they need to pull this off, if it is needed. Below is the link to the CIRC membership where you can get contact info for their members:
http://tancredo.house.gov/irc/members.html
I know this is a stretch, maybe even a “Nuclear Option”, but it can happen and should happen (option a. above, hopefully), if this story is true and Hastert intends on selling the American People out. If this story is true, then Hastert deserves to be FIRED IMMEDIATELY by his House colleagues.
BTTT
Stop the vanities. There are hundreds of existing illegal threads already. Sheesh.
It's up to the house of representatives. The senate is ready to sale us out big-time.
People can post whatever they want. You don't decide.
I'm with you on that point.
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If you don't like the topic, then don't click on the thread link!!!
I agree. I feel that Frist should be fired as well as Hastert, though I don't think there are 28 Republican Senators who would vote to fire him as Majority Leader, let alone that many who would even attempt to filibuster. The only part of Congress where Amnesty can be stopped in the House. I do not believe there are currently 40 senators that would filibuster a bill that has Amnesty in it.
"though I don't think there are 28 Republican Senators who would vote to fire him as Majority Leader"
If there are 28 willing to vote against him, you can bet that they're all of a more RINOesque thread than he. We'd end up with Senate Majority Leader Snowe or some other nonsense.
Frist is corrigible, at least. Problem is, he's corrigilbe from the left and right.
Ken Mehlman, Chairman
Email: Chairman@gop.com
Jo Ann Davidson, Co-Chairman
Email: Info@gop.com
It appears it's too late.
Don't feel bad about a few 'crashers', they've even labled your thread with keyword "BASHBUSH", but it's on almost all the anti-amnesty threads (and worse). There seem to be only a handful of them, but their contempt is growing worse.
Anyway, thank you for this thread and all of the important information! I would like to see Tancredo make a run in '08.and I will continue to e-mail encouragement.
Excellent that you posted this, if I may add:
Links to the complete text of SB 2611
The Senate Citizenshhip Give Away Bill and other Freebies for Illegal Aliens
Senate Poised to Launch Broad Immigration Debate Monday May 11, 2006
by Congressional Quarterly
Senate leaders have cleared the way for a freewheeling debate on immigration starting Monday that is likely to occupy the chamber for the two weeks leading up to the Memorial Day recess. Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., announced they will launch a no-holds-barred floor debate over immigration legislation addressing border security, a temporary guest worker program and a path to legalization for millions of undocumented immigrants already in the United States.
If the Senate, as expected, refuses to limit debate on a pending small-business health insurance bill, the immigration bill will be on the floor Monday, Frist said. Frist and Reid reached agreement on the appointment of Senate conferees to negotiate a final bill with the House, which passed its own immigration measure last December.
There will be 26 Senate conferees, an unusually large group. The top seven Republicans and five Democrats from the Judiciary Committee will serve, along with seven additional senators from each party to be named by Frist and Reid.
However, if we don't stop the President and the Senate from pushing Amnesty down our throats by May 31 - which they have vowed to do - then there won't be any illegal aliens - they will become citizens and the contractors won't be breaking the law.. Put your efforts into stopping the House / Senate compromise - Conferee Committe than will we working starting Monday to ram Amnesty down our throats.
Will the Americans living here need to file for immigration papers for our country, I mean we will be the outsiders(foreign group) in the country before long. Do we need to have preverential treatment like the others, I guess that will never happen.
Yes my friend can you say selloouts?
Nice Wall. I like it!!!
Oh golly, we had high hopes for a little while.
I am also sending the RNC my thoughts about their Amnesty plans. See below:
You want to send a message to the RNC that they will hear loud and clear??? Then do the following:
Send them one of these instead of a donation, using the RNC's own postage paid return envelopes!!!
Send one along to a politically like-minded relative or friend who opposes Amnesty, but doesn’t visit Free Republic!!!
Artwork originally created by FREEPER Prime Choice, of sacredcowburgers.com. Below is the link to the original:
http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/leftovers/showpics.cgi?heres_my_donation
The RNC will miss your money more than they will miss your vote!!! If you do not have access to a printer, then write “Secure Our Borders, Stop Catering to Illegals, Then We Will Send American Dollars” or something similar on your donation slip and return it to the RNC in their postage paid envelopes will work as well as sending the “peso”!!!
If you do want to give financially to Republicans, give only to individual candidates/politicians who support or vote to secure our borders and don’t cater to illegals!!!
See my post #24.
Thanks for the info on SB 2611. Go ahead and add the links to the complete text of SB 2611.
As far as there won't be any more illegal aliens, the employers will just bring in another new batch on illegals. When (hopefully never) the current illegals get legalized, then they will demand the employers pay them the same wages and benefits they pay Americans or legal immigrants. The employers will just fire them and replace them with new illegals. Then the current illegals turned legal will just go on welfare and we'll pick up the tab for that one. Then another Amnesty!!! The beat goes on!!!
Does that make them Bushbots? ;)
So do I and I will also continue to encourage Tancredo any way I can. In 08, immigration will likely be the big issue.
I'd go with an electrified fence and German Shepards though
These were the picks of none other than your president. These are the the pressure-valve RINOs that - by design - have been put in at the top to prevent a TRUE conservative agenda from ever happining. Plan on seeing more of Bubba & elder Bush together. Good buddies, right? An anyone here that doesn't see a HUGH problem here better understand how this corrupt "Two-Party Cartel" has sold us out.
A1 You should advertise this camPAIN to the media!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1632125/posts?page=3#3
Have activists who share our views publicize it!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1632125/posts?page=5#5
Get that picture to every National and Regional organization!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1632125/posts?page=6#6
Get the word out on post #24
It looks like English will truly be the second language very soon, if this Amnesty Bill is passed. Even if this Amnesty bill gets defeated, if our borders aren't secured and our immigration/labor laws are not enforced, then English, in time, will be the second language. And of course, once spanish is the majority language, then spanish will be the official language. Probably made that way by decree and we will all have to learn spanish or else. No accomadations will be made for those who speak English only.
Thanks for the links. I will do so. Though I believe that Michael Medved is pro-amnesty. I think he got chased off the air for a day when he said he was backing the President on Amnesty. The callers ripped him a new one!!!
ping
the pubbies have a problem. their choices like those of the people on flight 73 are between certain death and near certain death.
If they allow the illegals citizenship--the illegal/legals will do what they did after 1986: vote democratic and tip the country to a democratic majority as they have done in california and that because after 1993 in California many mexicans began voting in california to preserve gov bennies--for which the dems excel. There won't be social security benefit for Americans of retirement age from the illegals/legals because they will suck up what ever they put into the economy--as they are now. They won't yield a net gain. ie they won't pay for anyone's social security.
Everyone but everyone who has ever been to any government building that dispenses anything from health care to drivers lisences can't help but notice that the place is swamped with foreigners. Basically the welfare state system set up in the 1960's is being totally gamed by foreigners.
What the president looks like he is about to do will demoralize the republicans bringing on the effects of the 1992 & 1996 elections. There may not even be a third party but when W builds in a reversal of the fortunes of the war of 1848--it creates a kind of passivity in people when they see their leaders commit them to the status of world historical losers.
If Bush decides to put up a wall and expel the illegals then there is a chance to preserve Republican majorities. It would be helpful to promise that the USA will kill the cost of water desalination and transport so as to make it economically possible to turn the deserts 1000 miles from any desert seacoast -- green. (this would increase the habitable size of the USA by a third and double the habitable size of Mexico.)This work is already ongoing and will be accomplished in five years or so--or in about the same time frame that GM promises to have a cost effective fuel cell car. For GM as it is for the GOP its do or die time.
imho its a mistake for the bush's to put worries about fox ahead of worries about the USA. In any case if the USA returned the illegals to Mexico it would be a great boon to their economy because they would suddenly get an influx of skilled labor that they didn't have before (albeit mixed with expensive troublemakers) and a people who would have a good picture of what a successful country looks like and demand the same for their own. Perhaps they would even demand good government.
Not sure if I should post this here on this post but I came across this during a library research project:
"Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
/r/ jane
Banshees ;)
LOL!
Middle of the night and can't sleep. When you get a chance, can you post something that makes clear exactly what needs to be said so that I can e-mail each of these members?
Since you started the thread and have a good understanding of what is possible, I'd just like to have some small 'text' of what best to say in order to accomplish that goal. PM me if necessary.
TIA
Keyword: MAYISVANITYMONTH
lol. think of all we could accomplish if we were all on the same page!
Below is a sample of what I e-mailed them last week. I hope this helps.
Dear Congressman XXXX,
I am not one of your constituents (I wish I were), but I feel that I have to pass this idea on to you concerning the upcoming Amnesty for Illegal Aliens bill working its way thru the Senate, that will wind up in a conference committee with the House. Please share this idea with the rest of your fellow Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus members.
I am writing you because I do not trust Speaker Hastert one bit on doing the right thing when it comes to immigration reform and the Amnesty issue in particular. There have been some reports that Speaker Hastert might try to use his immense power to get an Amnesty Bill passed. I hope those reports are wrong and Hastert will not ram any Amnesty Bills thru the House. I believe that the House Majority Leader, Rep. Boehner, and most of the rest of the GOP House leadership, are with the American People and will do nothing to get Amnesty Legislation approved. I cannot say the same about the most powerful figure in the House, Speaker Hastert.
I fear that Hastert will pack the upcoming conference committee with those Republicans and Democrats who favor the Senate approach to immigration reform, open borders and Amnesty. Further, I feel he may attempt some kind of shenanigans if an Amnesty Bill ever makes it out of any conference committee onto the floor of the House for a vote.
Remember what Hastert pulled when the Medicare Prescription Drug Plan came up for a vote. Everyone went to bed on a Friday night thinking it was defeated (they already had enough votes logged to defeat the bill that night), only to find out Saturday morning that it passed because Hastert extended the voting time well past normal house voting cut-off time rules. This allowed President Bush to badger or politically blackmail enough "on the fence" GOP congressman to switch their votes from "nea" to "yea" to pass that bill. Hastert will likely pull the same thing if an Amnesty heavy bill makes it to the floor.
There is one way that this can be stopped. You and the other 90 + members of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus (CIRC) still have a very powerful ace up your sleeve, if you all are willing to use it.
What you all have to do is first go up to Hastert and warn him that if he packs the House side of the Conference Committee with those who favor amnesty and/or pulls any shenanigans to make it easier to get the Amnesty Bill passed, then you all will do the following:
1. Immediately announce that you all are publicly withdrawing your voting support for Speaker Hastert, probably by having to temporarily leaving the Republican Caucus. That would mean that Speaker Hastert would no longer have the majority of votes in the House to remain speaker.
2. This would then force Hastert out as Speaker immediately, since he no longer has the majority of the House backing him as Speaker.
3. There would then be two possibilities of this:
a. This would mean that if the GOP wants the next Speaker to be from the GOP for the rest of this Congress, then they had better pick someone who the CIRC approves of. The CIRC can really show some leverage here, either you all will cast your votes for someone who agrees with you on immigration or if you do not support whom the rest of the GOP puts up as Hastert’s replacement, they you can:
b. The CIRC membership does not cast a vote for Speaker, sits out the election for speaker and Pelosi picks up the speaker ship by default (YIKES). I doubt the Democrats would vote to retain Hastert or any other Republican as speaker.
The CIRC potentially holds an awful lot of leverage and power here, if you are willing to exercise it.
I know this is a stretch, even a "nuclear option", but it can happen and should happen (option a. above, hopefully), if Hastert intends on selling the American People out. He deserves to be fired IMMEDIATELY by his House colleagues. We can't trust the Senate and President Bush on doing the right thing when it comes to immigration or Amnesty for illegal aliens. It looks like we may not be able to trust Speaker Hastert to do the right thing, either. All we can hope or pray for is the GOP led House holding the line and defeating any Amnesty legislation that makes it to the House.
May God Bless You and All that you do!
Respectfully,
AmericaOne
I agree.
Thank you so much! If you don't mind I will use something VERY similar. You've been most helpful!
Just remember that Hastert and Frist were both selected by the Democrats.
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