Why Should Those who've Entered US Illegally be Offered Citizenship?

R.K. Davis

[azhenfud]

Why does President Bush and many US Senators believe it is our responsibility to offer foreign nationals who've chosen to ignore our immigration code a chance at US citizenship sometime in their future?

How can a reward for illegal behavior justifiably be linked to better security for the United States of America?

Truthfully, there is no logical connection between the two, so it would seem Lawmakers would make eventual citizenship available only to those who would return to their country of origin to follow the lawful method of immigration.

For aliens who choose otherwise, allowing their limited stays within the country under a guest worker program, provided they pass screenings, pay back taxes, a registration fee, and the precious $2000 penalty Lawmakers have envisioned could give the President a method of "bringing those workers out of the shadows" he so earnestly and passionately desires, it would treat those aliens compassionately - but with a choice of their stay, and deliver a package to Conservatives which is anything but amnesty.

Basically, if one has entered the US illegally and has been here five years or more, they would remove the hope of ever becoming a US citizen but can participate in a guest worker program. Those who choose to enter legally would be fast-tracked to citizenship and may also participate in a guest worker program in the interim. Removal procedures should remain an option for those refusing or not qualifying for either class.

We can have a guest worker program without amnesty. We can entertain guest workers without rewarding them with citizenship.

[azhenfud]

What think ye?

[Ptaz]

Why does President Bush and many US Senators believe it is our responsibility to offer foreign nationals who've chosen to ignore our immigration code a chance at US citizenship sometime in their future?

This is one issue I differ greatly from the President on and am somewhat sad that he's not taking a more conservative approach. Basically they're doing this because it's the easy way out. They don't have to deal with deportation. They don't have to deal with the cost of deportation. They don't have to deal with the legal hassles of deportation. The ramifications for our country making it easy for illegals to gain citizen will haunt us for centuries to come (if we all last that long).

[DB]

Hold employers and property renters accountable.

Eliminate the jobs and the place to live and they will go home.

[DB]

They don't have to deport them if they take away their job opportunities and their housing.

Start enforcing the laws about employing illegals. Start fining employers, and imprisoning those who are determined to do it over and over.

No job, no stay.

[NRA2BFree]

I don't know why our President and our Senators are selling out America/Americans to mob rule. It beats all I've ever seen. It seems like they have sold us out because of their big corporate donors, and yet, I don't see how that's going to help those donors.

Once the "illegals" become "legal" they will "DEMAND EQUAL RIGHTS", which is the theme of their demonstrations. Once they are "legal", they will DEMAND BETTER PAY AND BENEFITS, and the unions have joined with them to make sure that happens. THAT is NOT what those donors want. They want that "cheap labor" so how in the heck is granting 12 million illegals going to help them? Suffice to say, their actions will destroy our culture and the political landscape of America because the traitors are going to be thrown our of office, and replaced with RATS.

[southernerwithanattitude]

We should offer them citizenship! Citizenship, BACK in their OWN country!

[ballplayer]

Wait shortly you will be hearing proposals to raise the age to retire and collect social security .We need the money to pay benefits for all these illegals !

[stopem]

One explanantion:

Citizenship = VOTES

Because absolutely nothing else makes any sense whatsoever.

There is no logic to allowing a bunch of invaders to be rewarded.

The fact that they STOLE some Americans identity and it is a FELONY they are rewarded with being able to collect social security.

How does that make any sense?

They not only broke the law when they broke in they continually break laws all the while they are here and they are rewarded with :

1. getting jobs illegally!
2. Not paying taxes!
3. Obtained welfare benefits!

And now add social security.

No NONE of what our "lawmakers" are doing with the illegals make any sense at all.

We have very good laws on the books that are not only NOT being enforced but are ignored. In other countries if the politicians broke the laws the way they are and reward lawbreakers the way they are the politicians would be arrested.

[hershey]

That wouldn't suit Mexico at all. They're pushing dual citizenship, but only for Mexicans. It wouldn't be a two way street (but you knew that).

[stevem]

We have had a legal guest worker program of sorts for as long as I have been in the work force, nearly four decades. One of my coworkers of years ago, a European, went through it. The point is, we have had such a program for a long time, and the Republic hasn't yet sunk into the abyss.

It seems to me you can tweak such a program without throwing common sense to the wolves. Charitable immigration should never ever be a goal. Assimmilation of immigrants is the only way this nation can hope to retain her culture over the long run. Charitable immigration in the numbers Bush is suggesting makes no sense.

We can debate forever why infusing liberalism into the mix today is different at its core than immigration of the past. Thomas Sowell has dealt with that at length.

Any change in the system is moronic until the border has been secured.

[from occupied ga]

Why Should Those who've Entered US Illegally be Offered Citizenship?

They shouldn't. Kick 'em out.

[backhoe]

I don't know why our President and our Senators are selling out America/Americans to mob rule. It beats all I've ever seen. It seems like they have sold us out because of their big corporate donors, and yet, I don't see how that's going to help those donors. Once the "illegals" become "legal" they will "DEMAND EQUAL RIGHTS", which is the theme of their demonstrations. Once they are "legal", they will DEMAND BETTER PAY AND BENEFITS, and the unions have joined with them to make sure that happens. THAT is NOT what those donors want. They want that "cheap labor" so how in the heck is granting 12 million illegals going to help them? Suffice to say, their actions will destroy our culture and the political landscape of America because the traitors are going to be thrown our of office, and replaced with RATS.

Indeed.

You all know I started, and maintain, this post of links:

-Thunder on the Border-- (Minuteman Project)--

But that aside, consider this:

Bill permits 193 million more aliens by 2026

 

100 Million More at the Door?: Heritage Foundation claims new law allows flood over next 20 years.

 

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014100.php

Reconquista, Here We Come!

The Heritage Foundation and Senator Jeff Sessions try to blow the whistle on the Senate's compromise immigration "reform" bill, via the Washington Times:The Senate immigration reform bill would allow for up to 193 million new legal immigrants -- a number greater than 60 percent of the current U.S. population -- in the next 20 years, according to a study released yesterday.

Sen. Jeff Sessions, Alabama Republican who conducted a separate analysis that reached similar results, said Congress is "blissfully ignorant of the scope and impact" of the bill...

Take a look at the numbers:

Take a look at the numbers:

[ConsistentLibertarian]

Here's one answer he might give.

Y'all remember when I was saying Social Security was bankrupt so we had to do som'in about it? And y'all remember how eventually I had to admit my proposal wouldn't help make it solvent? Well shucks, I have a new idea. If we let tens of millions of Mexicans become citizens, we'll work our way around the poplulation bubble. It's either that or some of y'all need to start smoking more so you die pretty much as soon as you'd stop paying Social Security taxes and before you can collect any payments. Since I don't think I'm gonna have much luck gettin enough of y'all to die real close to retirement, looks like massive immigration is the only option 'sides WAY higher taxes, and by God I'm not about do anything that's gonna force WAY higher taxes down the road.

[mewzilla]

Pardon one offense, and you encourage the commission of many.

Publilius Syrus

[Personal Responsibility]

give the President a method of "bringing those workers out of the shadows

Out of the shadows? I live one town over from Farmingville, the site of the documentary. I go to the 7-11 featured in the film every day. It is SWAMPED with illegals starting at about 7am. There are at least 50-60 guys just hanging around on the corners waiting to get picked up.

They are no more in the shadows than I am.

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

They only talk about the ones that work and forget to mention the millions committing welfare fraud and the millions raping, robbing, killing and running drugs.

[fortheDeclaration]

No citizenship for illegals.

I have no problem with a guest worker program if they have been here a number of years and are gainfully employed.

[stopem]

And here is their explanation and "LOGIC"
We allow 20 MILLION lawbreaking invaders to stay and be rewarded for breaking the law BUT
on top of the 20 million who broke our laws we will ADD another
100 MILLION "guest" workers!!!!

You are correct in your analysis but see that's too logical for our great "lawmakers" to comprehend!! Suddenly the liberal dims are king and they are running the show and the Republican lawmakers are allowing them to.....WHY????

[olezip]

I think that we need more time to develop a set of options of how best to deal with illegal aliens that have been in this country for any number of years. But first we must secure our borders. You stop the leak before you get out the mops and buckets. In 1986 when Reagon granted amnesty to illegals already here without securing our borders, what we have today is what we accomplished. We encouraged more foreigners to illegally enter our country. By placing the issue with those already here in the front of the line instead of dealing with the real problem, we are reapplying a failed policy. I, for one, am far from convinced that the Senate is serious about securing our borders.

Like other forms of political correctness we illogically are saying that the more important problem is how to deal compassionately with illegal aliens already here, instead of fixing the source of the problem. This is compounded by the desire of many lawmakers to work on trade barriers instead of border barriers. The form of the bill that had 193 million new immigrants over the next 20 years (in fine print) just says we have an open border policy.

Given the health screening that took place at Ellis Island for my ancestors, I get the feeling that our country is in a state of decay as we have outbreaks of hepatitis, mumps, tuberculosis, AIDs, etc. because we want open borders. Our immigration policy discriminates against white Europeans thanks to Teddy Kennedy in 1965. This whole situation is troubling.

We should just secure our borders, and then take the time needed to rework our immigration policy, including how best to deal with illegals.

[stopem]

Okay I have to ask, we can see the horror of it all what can WE do about it? Our "lawmakers" have taken leave of their senses and they are allowing liberal socialist dims to run the show, what can WE do about it???