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North American Union to Replace USA? ("is this the plan?" alert!)
HumanEventsOnline.com ^ | 5/19/2006 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 05/19/2006 6:56:03 AM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: mjolnir
President Bush far from some sort of lackey to the Wall Street Journal's editorial page. He believed in steel tariffs...

Indeed, Bush enacted steel tariffs, in a craven attempt to purchase swing state electoral votes. He is also for ethanol subsidies, in another free trade WSJ apostasy. Overall, Bush hews to WSJ free trade/open borders to the extent that political expediency allows. Bush' s border gestures such as the National Guard deployment are analogous to the steel tariff, that is a minor transgression providing political cover to an overall theme of WSJesque free trade/open borders.

221 posted on 05/19/2006 11:30:34 AM PDT by Plutarch (Trading amnesty for border security will yield neither an end to amnesties nor border security.)
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To: Calpernia

I'm not going to play your childish game of semantics. If you want to play word games grab a scrabble board and go find a friend.


222 posted on 05/19/2006 11:32:31 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Dark Skies

I said this several months ago.


223 posted on 05/19/2006 11:32:36 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (We're living in the Dark Ages.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN
the important question is, if you believe this, what are you going to do?

Support the most conservative candidates you can find. Those on The Liberty Committee make a very good start. They've championed sovereignty and many other conservative causes over the years.
224 posted on 05/19/2006 11:34:07 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: CIB-173RDABN
Ok guys, you win. You are all correct, I am wrong.

Not me. I'm just stirring up trouble so folks have sumpin to have fun with on a Friday afternoon.

225 posted on 05/19/2006 11:35:14 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: pbrown

You asking me questions in reference to my questions is not answering my questions.

(now say that 5x fast!)

I'm not sure NGO monies have stopped funding abortions.

This CDC report was made to support the funding. They are still included in the 28 initiatives of Healthy People 2010.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/wk/mm4847.pdf <--Note: CDC

Achievements in Public Health, 1900–1999 <--Note: Report on ACHIEVEMENTS

Note: Small Excerpt on the highlights of this report:


During the 20th century, the hallmark of family planning in the United States has been the ability to achieve desired birth spacing and family size (Figure 1). Fertility
decreased as couples chose to have fewer children; concurrently, child mortality declined, people moved from farms to cities, and the age at marriage increased (1 ).

(snip)

In 1912, the modern birth-control movement began. Margaret Sanger (see box), a public health nurse concerned about the adverse health effects of frequent childbirth, miscarriages, and abortion, initiated efforts to circulate information about and provide access to contraception (9 ). In 1916, Sanger challenged the laws that suppressed the distribution of birth control information by opening in Brooklyn, New York, the first family planning clinic. The police closed her clinic, but the court challenges that followed established a legal precedent that allowed physicians to provide advice on contraception for health reasons. During the 1920s and 1930s, Sanger continued to.....

(snip)

Small excerpt of date chart:


1970
Family Planning Services and Population Research Act creates Title X of the Public
Health Service Act
1972
Medicaid funding for family planning services authorized
1973
Supreme Court (Roe vs. Wade) legalizes abortion


226 posted on 05/19/2006 11:35:33 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Artemis Webb

You said my conclusions were wrong. What were my conclusions?

You came on here and attacked me. I'm asking why.


227 posted on 05/19/2006 11:36:20 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Artemis Webb
Those are good points, but they still don't satisfactorily explain Bush's behavior.

Bush is suffering much more politically by ignoring the immigration problem than he would be if he was doing something about it. He let his poll numbers fall to Nixonian levels before finally jumping onto a no-lose political issue --and even then, only half-heartedly.

Even more importantly, how can Bush's immigration policy be explained in light of his "war on terror"? Certainly, Bush's heart is in fighting radical Islam. So how can this same man ignore millions of unscreened aliens flooding across our southern border?

Regarding the political unification of North America, economic cooperation would be the first step in political unification, as in the EU. The EU has changed from a free trade bloc into a political entity. For example, the EU is trying to hinge Poland's entry into the EU on Poland decriminalizing abortion.

One world government may be a pipe dream, but so was the Third Reich. Pipe dreams can have real world consequences.

228 posted on 05/19/2006 11:36:54 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Plutarch
Indeed, Bush enacted steel tariffs, in a craven attempt to purchase swing state electoral votes.

Craven? Sure, if you're jaded enough to not see that President Bush is someone who says what he means, means what he says and stands on principle. President Bush does largely agree with the Wall Street Journal on free trade, as does virtually every conservative. He also differs with them on borders-- thus the National Guard providing support.

A cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Based on your words and that definition, you appear to be a cynic with regard to President Bush.

229 posted on 05/19/2006 11:42:15 AM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: Dark Skies
The only acceptable way to do this would be for Mexico to renounce its sovereignty and join the USA. We would have to realign the Mexican states, perhaps split a few USA states (like California and Texas), and increase the size of Congress.

The government would remain a USA constitutional government. Maybe we can repeal the 17th amendment while we're at it to give the states back some of their local power. This might entice some of the Mexican states that might otherwise think that they will be lost in the "inside the Beltway" silo of Washington DC. We would also need to make a one-time exemption to allow all foreign-born citizens at the time of ratification to be eligible to become President.

On the plus side, all illegal Mexicans in the USA would automatically become citizens by virtue of Mexico joining the Union. If we want to build a wall, we can do it at the new USA/Guatamalan border.

-PJ

230 posted on 05/19/2006 11:53:05 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Calpernia
I'm not sure NGO monies have stopped funding abortions.

Here is the entire memorandum.

Memorandum January 22, 2001

MEMORANDUM FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE UNITED STATES AGENCY FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT

SUBJECT: Restoration of the Mexico City Policy

The Mexico City Policy announced by President Reagan in 1984 required nongovernmental organizations to agree as a condition of their receipt of Federal funds that such organizations would neither perform nor actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other nations. This policy was in effect until it was rescinded on January 22, 1993.

It is my conviction that taxpayer funds should not be used to pay for abortions or advocate or actively promote abortion, either here or abroad. It is therefore my belief that the Mexico City Policy should be restored. Accordingly, I hereby rescind the "Memorandum for the Acting Administrator of the Agency for International Development, Subject: AID Family Planning Grants/Mexico City Policy," dated January 22, 1993, and I direct the Administrator of the United States Agency for International Development to reinstate in full all of the requirements of the Mexico City Policy in effect on January 19, 1993.

GEORGE W. BUSH

Is that what you meant? It shows where NGO's cannot use American taxpayer dollars to provide abortions.

231 posted on 05/19/2006 12:07:41 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Coleus; pbrown

Coleus is better with the history of the prolife monies.

But, I'm wondering if this:

>>It shows where NGO's cannot use American taxpayer dollars to provide abortions.<<<

is the wording. Many of the businesses that launder monies to the NGOS do it through 'Foundations'. The NGOs also receive monies from international entities.

So, maybe that moots the 'American taxpayer dollar' reference.


232 posted on 05/19/2006 12:10:58 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia; Coleus
If Coleus is more knowledgeable than I am about 'foundations' shifting monies to NGO's, I'll go with his judgment.

I don't see how Bush would be fooled by that. He's anti-abortion and I would think he has people keeping an eye out for such a bait-n-switch.

233 posted on 05/19/2006 12:19:34 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: mjolnir
Craven? Sure, if you're jaded enough to not see that President Bush is someone who says what he means, means what he says and stands on principle.

One would need be far gone into Bushbotiasm to have seen Bush's speech on Monday and conclude Bush was a straight shooter.

Cynical about a politician?? You've got me there. I plead guilty.

234 posted on 05/19/2006 12:20:30 PM PDT by Plutarch (Trading amnesty for border security will yield neither an end to amnesties nor border security.)
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To: pbrown

That was exactly my point in watching what becomes of the UMDNJ investigation.

If we are doing serious clean up....then that should result in real arrests and a stop to the laundering at that source.

And note, the post I made showing the Merrill Lynch/UMDNJ/Praxis Project links TO illegal immigration.

But, if UMDNJ gets swept under the rug, we are all in BIG trouble.


235 posted on 05/19/2006 12:27:02 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
This site might interest you.

http://www.green-umbrella.net/

It talks about USAID, and UNFPA.

236 posted on 05/19/2006 12:27:21 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Calpernia
But, if UMDNJ gets swept under the rug, we are all in BIG trouble.

I read that thread and I agree, if swept under the rug, we're all in big trouble.

I see too much money involved for it to go away. But then again, I thought Able Danger would destroy many political careers.

237 posted on 05/19/2006 12:30:31 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Dark Skies
This was the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy.

There's nothing "hidden" about it. We're going to lower our standard of living to "even things out" with Mexico with the hopes that collectively, some generation down the road, we can all pull ourselves back up to the standards we once enjoyed.

I hope it succeeds, but only our great-grandchildren will know for sure. In the meantime, hand over what you own for the collective "good".

238 posted on 05/19/2006 12:32:33 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Aquinasfan

First of all you are very reasonable and very polite (not my strong suit). I thank you for your approach.

I cannot disagree with you on his inaction on the border issue!!

Where we obviously do disagree is the issue of economic cooperaton. I simply don't have a problem with free trade.

Besides...If I don't have Juan making my burrito how the hell am I gonna live? :o)


239 posted on 05/19/2006 12:34:57 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: pbrown

Looks like green-umbrella.net likes the Pleistocene Park theory.

BTW, UNFPA is extreme with population control. Look at this link.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1586697/posts?page=22#22


240 posted on 05/19/2006 12:35:13 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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