North American Union to Replace USA? ("is this the plan?" alert!)

HumanEventsOnline.com ^ | 5/19/2006 | Jerome R. Corsi

[calcowgirl]

LOL. That Canadian Action Party is too biased to really be useful. There is more good stuff posted since then, though. There simply is an overload of information, but amazingly, not much of it covered in the news.

[calcowgirl]

Nice leftist agenda, huh? Here's a 1992 snapshot on Pastor:

Copyright Hearst Communications Inc., Hearst Newspapers Division Nov 29, 1992

Pastor at top of list to replace ambassador to Mexico Carmina Danini, Mexican Affairs

One of the names at the top of the list to replace John Dimitri Negroponte as U.S. ambassador to Mexico is that of former Carter administration official Robert A. Pastor.

Pastor is a professor of political science at Emory University in Atlanta, and director of the Latin American and Caribbean Program at Emory's Carter Center, named after former President Jimmy Carter.

In 1977-1981, Pastor was director of Latin American Affairs on the National Security Council.

In 1985-86, he was a Fulbright professor at El Colegio de Mexico, a prestigious university and research institute.

The last time I interviewed Pastor, he asked me to send regards to his friend, Mexican Consul General Humberto Hernandez Haddad.

For those interested in learning more about Pastor, I recommend his 1988 book (co-authored with Jorge Castaneda of Mexico), "Limits to Friendship: The United States and Mexico."

(snip)

[nicmarlo]

There are over 800 posts. Go to the beginning of the thread where posts are made with links to articles and documents.

I'm not redoing what you can find all by yourself. When you find something I've said regarding a document I posted, or directly referred to, that you dispute, YOU point that out to me, ask your direct question, and THEN I will answer.

In the meantime, post something other than just YOUR own spin/opinion about someone else's opinion or posted document.

[nicmarlo]

Just got home and will be trying to catch up with your posts....looks like some interesting info was found; thanks for the pings.

[nicmarlo]

That Canadian Action Party is too biased to really be useful.

Thanks for reading it through; I'll be doing that myself here shortly (didn't have a chance this a.m.); what I did think was helpful (which you also mentioned) was that it referred to specific other documents (dated back to 2001).

[nicmarlo]

I prefer my US Citizenship and a secure nation, thank you very much!

As do I. Thanks for posting that paragraph.

[texastoo]

Regarding post #958, I was reading Pastor's remarks to congress. I think.LOL

[nicmarlo]

The ultimate enforcement mechanism for the North American Union is a police state.

This is not the only/first group to mention this. I found a different document the other day about MP's training in a U.S. City.....I'll have to find that and then I'll post it here. (That may have something to do with what they're looking at, also, but, of course, I can't state that as a fact.)

[nicmarlo]

Thanks for posting those docs, hedge.

[nicmarlo]

From the "February 2001" document you linked at post 942, it states this:

The best way to assure security is not at our borders with Canada and Mexico and not by defining "security" in conventional and narrow terms. We need to think about these issues in the context of a continent that is integrating economically and socially at a rapid rate.

[nicmarlo]

Before assuming the presidency in December 2000, Vicente Fox voiced support for a European Union of North America, an institutional arrangement that would eventually result in the creation of a common market, the free movement of labor, and a common currency. (p.17)

How interesting.

[nicmarlo]

There is no doubt that the elites don't want a vote on this merger of NA and we will never have one.

That does appear to be a consistent theme. Since the citizens won't be allowed to vote and make any decisions about what the elites have planned, just who are the "stakeholders" referring to? How low a rung on the ladder of the elites are the "stakeholders." Who's deciding the qualifications for "stakeholders" and what are the qualifications for "stakeholder"? Membership in CFR?

[nicmarlo]

...the U.S. government has never organized itself to address the difficult domestic-continental trade-offs that define North American relations.

exactly what "domestic-continental trade-offs"?

[hedgetrimmer]

More Stuff

Partners in North America - Parliamentary Reports

Canada and Mexico Parliamentary Cooperation

[hedgetrimmer]

Robert Pastor curriculum vitae

[calcowgirl]

Regarding post #958, I was reading Pastor's remarks to congress. I think.LOL

Oh, you're right! Sorry about that. I've read so many different documents that I'm on information overload!

[calcowgirl]

I agree that the background is informative. I do think that the CSIS document I posted in #945 is one of the more comprehensive and informative items I've found (and less biased). I pulled it from the Canadian Embassy site (about 25 page doc)

http://canada.usembassy.gov/content/can_usa/economicintegration_csis_0703.pdf

[nicmarlo]

re: Pastor's testimony to congress last month

Some proponents of NAFTA argued erroneously that free trade would reduce the flow of migrants, but the opposite happened [Note: this is a fact, though the number of jobs have increased, wages have not] because the development strategy implicit in NAFTA encourages foreign investment near the border, which serves as a magnet to attract labor from the center and the south of Mexico. [Note: also at Mexico's northern border has been an increase in drug trafficing and violent crimes.] Surveys suggest that roughly 90 percent of all Mexican illegal migrants do not come to the United States because they lack jobs; they have them. They seek higher wages. [Note: They not only get higher wages in the U.S., they also get free handouts from employers and free benefits off law-abiding, taxpaying legal U.S. citizens.] Illegal migration is unlikely to shrink until the income gap begins to narrow. None of the current proposals - walls, guest worker programs, more border patrol, and “regularization” - will solve the problem, and most could make it worse. (p. 4)

So much for the spin that illegals don't have jobs in Mexico

Forging a North American Community

It is time to stop debating NAFTA and start addressing the agenda for North America’s second decade. We should begin by articulating a vision of a North American Community where each state recognizes that instability or recession in one affects the others, and each benefit from the others’ success. When the value of a neighbor’s house rises, this has a positive effect on the other homes. (p. 5)

One big happy interdependent family

The paramount challenge for North America is to close the income gap separating Mexico from its northern neighbors. [At what cost of U.S. and Canadian citizens? This is socialism. Take from the wealthy and give to the poor. Why is Mexico so poor when it's elites are so rich?] The European Union demonstrated this could be done. From 1986-2003, the per capita GDP of the four poorest countries of the EU – Spain, Portugal, Greece, and Ireland - rose from 65% of the EU average to 82%. About half of the $500 billion was spent poorly, but....[NO BUTS....this is what happens when you USE A CORRUPT SYSTEM (socialism) to take money from those who earn, and give it to CORRUPT GOVERNMENTS, INSTITUTIONS, and PEOPLE.] the investment in communications and roads that connected these countries to the richer markets worked.

...establish a North American Investment Fund...Mexico needs also to undertake fiscal, energy, electricity, and labor reforms. However, instead of making the aid conditional or waiting for Mexico to do the reforms, the three leaders should decide how each would contribute to the community’s goal of narrowing the gap. This approach could give Mexico the leverage to undertake the reforms. [Canadian and American citizens, yet, again, funding Mexico, before they even prove they have ceased being corrupt. Isn't this like throwing pearls before swine?]

...The U.S. contribution over ten years would be about one-third of what it has spent in Iraq in the last three years...[Nearly $9 billion of money spent on Iraqi reconstruction is unaccounted for because of inefficiencies and bad management | I suggest MORE OF THE SAME will happen under such a scheme of money transfers to Mexico.]

...the best way to assure the security of North America is not at our borders with Canada and Mexico and not by defining “security” solely by fences, but rather by forging a consensus with our neighbors to build a North American Security Perimeter....

There's that recurring theme again of focusing on EXTERNAL BORDER reinforcement on the perimeter of the entity now known as the "North American Union" and reducing focus on INTERNAL BORDERS between Canada/USA and USA/Mexico.

The three leaders should hold annual summits, but to make sure the meetings are not just photo-ops, a North American Advisory Council should be established. (p. 6)

Yet another committee, with taxpayers paying yet more salaries and benefits.

A North American Education plan should include funding for scholarships, research, and Centers for North American Studies.

Yet another committee.

If a North American Investment Fund is not possible at this time, Congress should consider amending the immigration bill to establish a Commission to study alternatives for closing the income gap.

Is this part of the "comprehensive immigration" plan that the President wants implemented?

[nicmarlo]

I'll read that one next, lol!

[nicmarlo]

Thanks hedge...looks like I've got lots of homework.