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From Truthout, an apology, of sorts, for reporting Rove's indictment (Marc Ash Interviewed By Salon)
Salon.Com ^ | May 20, 2006 | Tim Grieve

Posted on 05/21/2006 4:11:10 AM PDT by PJ-Comix

A week after proclaiming that Karl Rove has already been indicted on charges of perjury and lying to federal investigators, Truthout has issued a rather inscrutable partial apology.

"The time has now come. . . to issue a partial apology to our readership for this story," Truthout Executive Director Marc Ash said in a post on the site Friday. "While we paid very careful attention to the sourcing on this story, we erred in getting too far out in front of the news cycle. In moving as quickly as we did, we caused more confusion than clarity. And that was a disservice to our readership and we regret it. As such, we will be taking the wait-and-see approach for the time being. We will keep you posted."

An apology for "getting too far out in front of the news cycle"? How's that again? Where we come from, reporters try to get out in front of the news cycle. It's called aggressive reporting, breaking some news, a scoop. And it's not the sort of thing that warrants an apology -- unless, of course, you've gotten the story wrong.

So is Truthout saying that Jason Leopold's reporting was wrong? We put that question to Ash this morning, and his answer seemed to be a pretty unequivocal no. Although Rove's lawyer and his spokesman have both said that Leopold's story was false, Ash said that Truthout still believes that Patrick Fitzgerald, Karl Rove and Rove lawyer Robert Luskin participated in a 15-hour plea-negotiation session at Patton Boggs last Friday; that Fitzgerald gave Rove's lawyers a copy of an indictment charging Rove with perjury and lying to investigators; and that Fitzgerald told Rove's lawyers that their client had 24 hours -- or 24 business hours -- to get his affairs in order.

So why apologize for the story? Leopold's story quoted "sources close to the case" who predicted an indictment announcement last week, and Ash told us this morning that Truthout "hoped and felt strongly" that Fitzgerald would announce Rove's indictment on Friday. That it didn't happen was a cause for concern, Ash said.

In addition, Ash said that he's uncertain about some of the events leading up to and following the meeting that supposedly happened last Friday at Patton Boggs. Ash said he isn't sure now when the grand jury voted to indict Rove, although he said he remains confident that it did so before last Friday. He said that he isn't sure what's going on now to warrant keeping the alleged indictment under wraps, although he suggested that it must mean that Rove's team is cooperating with Fitzgerald somehow.

Finally, Ash said that "there are people whose life was made inconvenient by our story," and that "not all of them are Karl Rove or people beholden to Karl Rove." Who are they? "I can't tell you any more than that," Ash said. Is one of them Leopold? "You're making my life complicated now," Ash said.

Of course, good stories often inconvenience people and complicate lives, and they seldom contain every last fact about the steps that led up to or might follow the developments they report. If that's all that's "wrong" about Leopold's reporting, there's no need for Truthout to apologize for anything.

So, once again, why the "partial apology" now?

Ash said that Truthout needs to "cool down the reactor a little bit" as it tries to learn more about the "cycle" on which Fitzgerald's legal team is working. "We're not in a position to continue on without an official confirmation," he said. "Unless we get some official confirmation, we're going to look stupider and stupider."

Those were his words, not ours.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bullzogby; crypticutterances; fitzmas; getbush; getrove; goebbelswouldbeproud; hoaxmas; jasonleopold; karlrove; lyingliars; makinglitup; marcash; pajamapeoplerule; powerghraib; salonstockdeathwatch; showtrial; truthout; zogbyism
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It sounds like TruthOut is digging its heels in this Hoaxmas story and is stubbornly refusing to concede that it is FALSE.
1 posted on 05/21/2006 4:11:12 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
"Unless we get some official confirmation, we're going to look stupider and stupider."

His use of the English language confirms this has already happened. No such word exists.

2 posted on 05/21/2006 4:15:57 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Condi 2008.<------added January 2004. Remember you heard it here first)
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To: Pistolshot
But, we know what he is saying, right?
3 posted on 05/21/2006 4:18:30 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: Pistolshot

Stupid is as Stupid does.


4 posted on 05/21/2006 4:18:52 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: PJ-Comix; Liz; Grampa Dave; weegee; abb
An apology for "getting too far out in front of the news cycle"? How's that again? Where we come from, reporters try to get out in front of the news cycle. It's called aggressive reporting, breaking some news, a scoop. And it's not the sort of thing that warrants an apology -- unless, of course, you've gotten the story wrong.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

5 posted on 05/21/2006 4:19:20 AM PDT by martin_fierro (_____oooo_( )_oooo_____)
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To: PJ-Comix
"It sounds like TruthOut is digging its heels in this Hoaxmas story and is stubbornly refusing to concede that it is FALSE."

If he can't find the editor who approved the story, then his hands may be tied.

6 posted on 05/21/2006 4:21:19 AM PDT by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" - Anonymous)
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To: PJ-Comix

Its a bunch of junk anyway.. Witch hunt sponsored by Dems out to get the Bush administration... They lobbed out Bush Lied in the 04 election basing it on this entire affair... Mostly it stuck and public opinion has been downhill ever since, mainly due to bad PR by the White House. In other words, No crime commited she was not covert, No crime commited, maybe people testifying did forget some details of exactly who said a name and when howerver the bottom line is these are trumped up charges of perjury and obstruction (of What) obstruction of justice to no crime. In point of fact all anybody did was go to the press to try and rebutt Joe Wilson partial truths about a trip to Niger that was sponsored by the CIA endorsed by Valerie Plame Wilson. \


7 posted on 05/21/2006 4:22:33 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Steer Clear Of Large Metropolitian Areas Because The Liberals Will Reap What They Sow.)
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To: Pistolshot

Does now ~ after all, this situation is so stressed out normal, pre-existing words are simply inadequate.


8 posted on 05/21/2006 4:31:29 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: PJ-Comix; Pistolshot

The best way to deal with this person is to wait until Scooter's trial begins -- then file suit for millions.


9 posted on 05/21/2006 4:33:45 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: PJ-Comix


How Dan Ratherish of them!

10 posted on 05/21/2006 4:34:16 AM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: tomnbeverly

This is another incident Bush & Co mishandled. The fact is that most of the country thinks that a documented liar like Joe Wilson is a noble whistleblower is a disgrace.

Plus, Fitz wants to indict Rove, he really does. It's a weak case, but Fitz believes the media will continue to cover for him.


11 posted on 05/21/2006 4:39:30 AM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: MEG33

Robert Luskin's cat figures into this story. On May 12, when Luskin (Rove's attorney) was supposedly meeting with Patrick Fitzgerald in a locked down floor of Patton Boggs for 15 hours, he was actually at the vet with his sick cat as he claimed. Jason Leopold then said he was going to call every vet within about a 20 mile radius of D.C. to disprove that story. Oh, and Robert Luskin said he subsequently checked his cat's stools and they are now fine.


12 posted on 05/21/2006 4:40:31 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: PJ-Comix

A page from the Dan Rather playbook. Worked great for him.


13 posted on 05/21/2006 4:45:51 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Leopold promised to reveal his sources if the indictment did not happen within the "24 business hours" timeframe. Apparently, Truthout (or is it Truthnot?), is giving him a pass on this. If the blogger had any integrity (ah, but he is a dem, so he doesn't) he would ban Leopold from ever posting at his site. Instead, Ash continues to make excuses and cover for his liar friend. Oh well, it is what we expect from the left.


14 posted on 05/21/2006 4:48:06 AM PDT by Laverne
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To: PJ-Comix

Oh so that is the backstory! Thanks!


15 posted on 05/21/2006 4:51:38 AM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: PJ-Comix
"Unless we get some official confirmation, we're going to look stupider and stupider."


I asked myself ... Self, why would anyone bother to believe what anyone had to say about anything after reading STUPIDER in a sentence? Not once, but twice.

Self replied he wouldn't.

That's good enough for me.


16 posted on 05/21/2006 4:55:55 AM PDT by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of outthinking our adversaries?)
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To: PJ-Comix

Sounds like he's taking his cues from Dan Rather: "Well, if Dan can do it and make headlines for a loooong time over something that's a bald-face lie, so can I", he said.


17 posted on 05/21/2006 4:57:48 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Patriot from Philly
This is another incident Bush & Co mishandled. The fact is that most of the country thinks that a documented liar like Joe Wilson is a noble whistleblower is a disgrace.

Ya know, Have you people, that have this attitude, ever thought you don't know JackS***!

I will lay odds of 100% there are things going on by "BUSH & Co" (A DU term if I ever saw one) that YOU and your ilk have no clue exist. Maybe, the WH doesn't counter these things DIRECTLY for more serious reasons that BB's like you just don't get!

Get over yourselves!

18 posted on 05/21/2006 4:59:16 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: martin_fierro

Nice to see Salon's stock in the pink-sheets. A precursor, no doubt, to what we'll see in the future with NY Times stock as it tracks toward single digits. Stock price is ultimately a great credibility meter.


19 posted on 05/21/2006 5:04:25 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: G.Mason

DUmber and DUmberer.


20 posted on 05/21/2006 5:05:09 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: PJ-Comix

I was just about to FReepmail you about this very article! :)


21 posted on 05/21/2006 5:27:25 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: martin_fierro
Obviously, the Salon "brain trust" are operating under the collective delusion that they're actually The New York Times, or something.

:)

22 posted on 05/21/2006 5:40:08 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: PJ-Comix
Hey maybe they meant the next 24 hours being the tv show 24.

That means they got another 23 hours to break the story.

23 posted on 05/21/2006 5:47:21 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: PJ-Comix

You can email this Marc twit at - director@truthout.org


24 posted on 05/21/2006 5:49:15 AM PDT by jerod
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To: PJ-Comix
An apology for "getting too far out in front of the news cycle"?

I think it means "spin" cycle! ;-)

25 posted on 05/21/2006 5:49:33 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (Once a Snowflake, always a Snowflake ! Good luck Tony!)
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To: tiredoflaundry
I think it means "spin" cycle! ;-)

... said observation being made, ironically enough, by one "tired of laundry!" :)

26 posted on 05/21/2006 5:52:35 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I could not resist!


27 posted on 05/21/2006 5:54:20 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (Once a Snowflake, always a Snowflake ! Good luck Tony!)
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To: PJ-Comix
t r u t h o u t t h e w i n d o w
28 posted on 05/21/2006 6:14:58 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Mmm! The tears of unfathomable sadness! Yummy!)
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To: sirchtruth

Oh, now I'm a troll because I don't like the fact that Bush's poor PR campaign led to a 20 point drop in his approval.

It's more than his approval. When we're at war, it's important that the people understand why, that he counter the media, that he provide context.


29 posted on 05/21/2006 6:48:17 AM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: sirchtruth
Whatever anyones feelings about the whitehouses'dealings with problems are I don't see how anyone could not see that it needs to improve. A lot of image problems this whitehouse has were caused by the lack of response to some pretty stupid accusations.
30 posted on 05/21/2006 7:31:10 AM PDT by lonedawg (why does that rag on your head say holiday inn?)
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To: Laverne
The Wayne Madsen Report also sticks by its previous report -- ADMANTLY!

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

31 posted on 05/21/2006 8:30:14 AM PDT by Churchill Gomez
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To: PJ-Comix
Stupider is as stupider does.





Period. Dot. Bingo.

32 posted on 05/21/2006 8:33:17 AM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Petronski

Maybe TruthOut is waiting for Jason Leopold to complete calling ever single vet within a 20-mile radius of Washington in an attempt to debunk Luskin's claim that he took his cat to the vet on May 12, NOT spending the day in a 15 hour lockdown meeting with Fitzgerald at Patton Boggs. I'm chuckling just thinking of Leopold going thru his Yellow Pages list of vets and calling them up. BTW, Luskin has reported that he checked his cat's stools and they are fine now. Maybe Leopold will go thru Luskin's garbage to check on the status of his cat's stools.


33 posted on 05/21/2006 8:44:03 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: PJ-Comix

See, you lose me when you mention "cat stools."

LOL


34 posted on 05/21/2006 8:48:02 AM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: PJ-Comix
BTW, Luskin has reported that he checked his cat's stools and they are fine now. Maybe Leopold will go thru Luskin's garbage to check on the status of his cat's stools.

...? :)

35 posted on 05/21/2006 8:56:08 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: Patriot from Philly

The fact is that most of the country doesn't have a clue who Joe Wilson is, and could not care less.


36 posted on 05/21/2006 9:11:53 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Mmm! The tears of unfathomable sadness! Yummy!)
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To: PJ-Comix

It's looking Rather bleak.


37 posted on 05/21/2006 9:14:42 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Hope you're right. Because if the media has it's way, Joe Wilson will become synonymous with a saint, a noble creature. Just like nutty Sheehan became Peace Mom. We need to be out in front of this nonsense and not let them frame it. I like to call him Lying Joe Wilson, myself.
38 posted on 05/21/2006 9:21:24 AM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: bcsco

SeeBS and AP dug their heels in too and refused to concede that the documents COULD be fakes in the National Guard case. After a week of beating up on Bush, they relented.

That is the MO for the drive by media. Make the charge, stand by it, and then quietly admit the hoax after the public has already convicted the "guilty" in their minds.

You can apologize all you want after that, the damage has been done.


39 posted on 05/21/2006 10:44:44 AM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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To: Petronski

The full quote is "Period. Dot. Bingo. < crickets >"


40 posted on 05/21/2006 10:47:48 AM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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To: PJ-Comix
An apology for "getting too far out in front of the news cycle"? How's that again?

This means that the author feels that Rove wasn't indicted only because the story put such visibility and heat on Fitzgerald that he had to back down for now. The author is implying that, if not for this story Rove would have been indicted.

-PJ

41 posted on 05/21/2006 10:54:40 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Patriot from Philly
Oh, now I'm a troll because I don't like the fact that Bush's poor PR campaign led to a 20 point drop in his approval.

No, I don't think you're a troll, I just think you don't get it...

What do you think Bush should do to counter the negative media spin? Do you remember when David "Barbi-Doll" Gregory asked Bush to apologize to the American people, do you think he should have?

There are things going on in this world that concerns the SAFETY of every American in this land and Bush won't compromise that just because you want him to namby-pamby, and prove himself worthy to the DBM.

We are in a War, Bush doesn't have time to worry about whether he's popular or not.

42 posted on 05/21/2006 10:59:59 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: lonedawg
A lot of image problems this whitehouse has were caused by the lack of response to some pretty stupid accusations.

But why justify the "Stupid" accusations with a response and get yourself into some dumbass namby-pamby agrument? Are there things that Bush could do differently, sure, but I trust his judgement.

I will say he's not at all right about the boarder issue, but the Repubs better get united on this or we're gonna see DBM/dems come back into power very soon. Not because they have anything to offer, they don't, but the American people are fickle when it comes to voting, and DBM/dems have got the dead vote in their pockets!!

43 posted on 05/21/2006 11:07:52 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: Laverne
Leopold promised to reveal his sources if the indictment did not happen within the "24 business hours" timeframe. Apparently, Truthout (or is it Truthnot?), is giving him a pass on this. If the blogger had any integrity (ah, but he is a dem, so he doesn't) he would ban Leopold from ever posting at his site. Instead, Ash continues to make excuses and cover for his liar friend. Oh well, it is what we expect from the left.

The still-MIA Pitt outed the source as Joe Wilson in a 3 am drunken rant (which I think has been deleted).

44 posted on 05/21/2006 11:15:42 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Governor of California, another job Americans won't do.)
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To: weegee
"You can apologize all you want after that, the damage has been done."

Known as 'The Drill'.

I was making a sarcastic remark about Will Rivers Pitt, the editor who approved the story, and who has possibly spent this week trying to get himself out of a bottle; one of his favorite pastimes as I understand it.

OTOH, maybe he hasn't been trying all that hard.

45 posted on 05/21/2006 12:11:33 PM PDT by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" - Anonymous)
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To: PJ-Comix
It sounds like TruthOut is digging its heels in this Hoaxmas story and is stubbornly refusing to concede that it is FALSE.

Yep, and they're getting help from some of their friends as well.

46 posted on 05/21/2006 12:13:38 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC
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To: sirchtruth

No, I don't want the President to go softer, I want him to go tougher. I want a war room that has seasoned political operatives that can go out and counter every charge. If they had done that with Lying Joe, they would not be in the mess they are now.


47 posted on 05/21/2006 12:33:39 PM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: CFC__VRWC
Here is the LATEST from TruthOut. Now they are claiming that the Patton Boggs lockdown of the 4th floor lasted ALL DAY Friday of May 12 until Saturday night.
48 posted on 05/21/2006 12:46:03 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: PJ-Comix
Your link keeps returning an Internal Server Error. So now it's a 40 hour or so meeting, instead of 15? Sounds like OutofTruth is going for the "lock 1000 monkeys in a room with typewriters" approach to "journalism" - throw out so many versions or what happened that something has to be right by the law of averages, and count on their friends in the leftist media to cover for all of the "rough drafts."
49 posted on 05/21/2006 12:54:50 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC
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To: CFC__VRWC

I think they shutdown that page. I went to the TruthOut page and then tried to click to it from there but NO GO. I was able to get in a little while ago but now nothing. Perhaps they have FINALLY come to the realization that Hoaxmas won't fly and are going to FINALLY admit the story is FALSE. However, it is strange that I can get to TruthOut but when I click on the Discussion from there...NOTHING.


50 posted on 05/21/2006 1:20:38 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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