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Border Wall to Cost at Least $3 Million Per Mile
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| 5-19-2006
| Jim Meyers
Posted on 05/21/2006 4:58:16 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: MinuteGal
There's no wall in the world that will contain clever people determined to get over, through or under it.OK, so maybe a few dozen illegals outsmart the wall.
Experts estimate that 3-4 million illegals simply walk across our southern border each year.
EACH YEAR.
Considering that half of them will likely have children, that would be an increase of 100 MILLION poor, unskilled, border-line marxist leftists in the US by 2026.
If you think THAT is what America needs, I have several used cars I'd like you to buy...
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:43:45 AM PDT
by
Edit35
To: MinuteGal
Cut out the welfare and other benefits of every kind and go after the employers of the illegals at little cost. That'll stop the influx and start an exodus. This is the one plan the White House doesn't want.Dream on. The courts, ACLU, La Raza, the Dems, and the Catholic church will never let that happen. Moreover, there is quite a support network in the US, which will help them to stay here regardless. According to the 2000 census there are 9 million Mexican-born residents in the US.
The idea that these people will go home because they don't receive welfare and other benefits is delusional. These people have come here at great personal risk and expense. They are leaving Mexico and Central America where they have no hope and opportunity. Being poor, uneducated, and jobless in America still beats being poor, undeducated and jobless in Mexico and Central America. Why would they want to return to those hell holes?
The idea of the cost of the wall versus the cost of health care and education for the illegals is a false choice. Neither is acceptable.
Why isn't a wall or fence acceptable if it reduces the flow of illegals across our borders? How do we maintain our sovereignty as a nation if people can cross into our country without any scrutiny? These are not false choices. We are also told that it is impossible to deport 11 to 20 million people. Do you honestly believe that we have the political will to deny children access to school, school lunches, medical treatment at ERs, etc?
BTW, what's the Adminstration's position on anchor babies, one of the greatest rip-offs in present-day American history? Don't answer. I already know the issue is NOT being addressed, nor will it.
It should be. What do you do with the millions of illegals who have anchor babies? You can't deport the children or deny them the rights of citizenship including social benefits.
When you have a water pipe break in the basement, the first thing you do is shut off the water. Then you can deal with the water damage. We need to gain control over our southern border and crackdown on visa overstays first.
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:44:00 AM PDT
by
kabar
To: ovrtaxt
$5.28 million per mile times 1,952 miles
equals
$10.31 billion
divided by
295 million people in America
equals
$35 each.
Where do I send my 35 dollars?
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:45:05 AM PDT
by
RodgerD
(Reject the Migration Explosion Act of 2006. No to 100 million new aliens.)
To: ovrtaxt
Anyone else see a problem with taking an estimate based on construction costs in San Diego, and extrapolating that along the entire SW border?
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:45:08 AM PDT
by
tacticalogic
("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
To: ovrtaxt
Lets see, as of 2002 we had 46726 miles of interstates in the US. Each interstate highway is bordered on both sides by fence, at the least being chain-link. so 46726 * 2 = 93452 miles of chain link (I know there are also many concrete noise walls and retaining walls, but we won't include them). The Mexican border is 1952 miles. So dividing 93452 by 1952, we would have 47.875.
So - the US government has built enough built interstate fences to put almost 48 chain link fences one behind the other at the Mexican border. Factor in all of the concrete used per mile of road and you're talking some serious barriers. Therefore, every time someone says that we do not have the resources or logistics to build a border fence, they are talking a line of utter BS.
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:45:12 AM PDT
by
Hacksaw
(Deport illegals the same way they came here - one at a time.)
To: sportutegrl
Oh well! Hummm! But! Hummm !Wait Hummm! That's not Hummm!Never mind!!
106
posted on
05/21/2006 6:46:54 AM PDT
by
lonedawg
(why does that rag on your head say holiday inn?)
To: Wonder Warthog
I have been noticing articles around the web where illegals and their enablers are moaning that over half of them will not get any sort of work permit, let alone citizenship. The *path to citizenship* will take years for only some of them. Other articles moan about those who did not meet the 1986 requirements and never became legal. We survived and prospered as a nation.
As for the schools, I live in an area with very few Mexicans. Our demographics are forcing school consolidations and shutdowns, as there simply aren't enough kids. In a town of under 5k people and a county under 35k, we have 5 private schools, 3 of them Christian and scads of homeschoolers. The ability of illegals to use the schools depends upon a SCOTUS ruling, which only Congress can overcome with a law that cannot be ruled unconstitutional. If every single illegal became a voter tomorrow, they would then be paying taxes. As it is, even if they are renting, they are paying property taxes. Being human, they will not be happy if their taxes increase and their children will not necessarily go on to have a lot of children. It seems to me that the public education system is already a mess. Perhaps overloading it with 1st generation citizens will bring it down, end it and Americans will continue to shift to homeschool and private school. Perhaps not, but it seems to me that neither scenario is a guarantee.
As of July 1, 2006, only citizens can receive Medicaid. While ERs still have to provide services to everyone who enters, that is a Federal law and applies to all of us, in every state. Perhaps food stamps and general assistance are extremely generous in the SW border states and in the blue cities. I know that here, in a blue state, the food stamp grant is about $80/month in our generous county and the amount varies from county to county. Full disability for people who did not earn above $15k/annually on the books is only about $500/month. Section 8 housing grants limit rent to 1/3 of income in any one month and are reviewed monthly. If the working recipient gets food stamps, they do not get the Earned Income tax credit. If someone on disability works on the books in any given month and earns over the minimum allowed, they get a bill from their Medicaid provider for the difference. I know families who had extreme medical problems and received these minimal amounts while their kids were under 18. They lose those benefits when the kids turn 19, if they go to college. No earned income at all once the kids are independent. Even SSI turns out to be a very small amount of money, about $250 or less a month for an impoverished senior last time I heard. The result of this is that many people are only on disability for a short period of time and have every incentive to get back into the workforce. Yes, some people have 4-5 kids and no marriage and receive entitlements until the last kid leaves. Many have generational dependency. Some communities are dysfunctional. But not all are and not every individual in these communities continues the pattern. Many die young. It just isn't a straight line increase into infinity and, of course, it cannot be, as those of us who work and pay taxes are also aging. Eventually, all cows go dry.
Polls I have seen show that legal voters of Hispanic origin still split their vote. There are Hispanic groups, such as You Don't Speak For Me, who do not support the illegals.
Bush can only use the bully pulpit. Congress makes the laws and the SCOTUS is the only branch that can overturn them. The trick is to pass constitutional laws and confirm constructionist judges.
JMO, but if Canada could elect a Conservative (by their standards) government, I doubt that true socialism will take hold here. I am not so sanguine about some of the border states and areas with large blue cities, but the NE blue states are losing more taxpayers than they are gaining illegals and dependents and will lose Electoral College votes by 2011. Notice that the left is trying to gin up support to dump the EC.
Our system is difficult to change, thanks to the wisdom of the Founders. People being people, there will not be a 100% support for anything in any demographic. We survived 8 years of Clinton. We survived FDR and 20 or so years of entrenched Soviets inside the government. We survived LBJ's Great Society. It is just as likely that we will survive whatever 2006 and 2008 bring, as difficult as it could become.
To: Mark was here
An easement is generally a comparatively narrow strip wide enough for laying any underground pipes or wires or erecting telephone poles or similar items.
The Bush wall will need a much, much wider buffer zone for patrol roads, installation of special electronics, lookout points, even wrestling mats for captures.
Now with eminent domain handed us by the liberals and mushies on the Supreme Court, it will be easy for the government to condemn and grab large pieces of private land from our American owners. The lawsuits that will emanate from this will be never-ending. The lawyers will again be handed a bonanza.
Ah, but the construction of the Wall will be so much fun to watch and will be such a visible structure of comfort.
During which time up to 20-30 million illegals already in this country will be granted amnesty while everyone is busy googling the Wall every night on TV.
One of the greatest sleights-of-hand in American history.
Reduce the welfare benefits to illegals gradually and set a time-limit on receiving them at all. Go after the greedy businessmen hiring the illegals. Eliminate the anchor baby scam.
Grant the illegals fare and a generous amount of money for sustenance for the trip back to their homes.
Watch a gradual exodus happen before our very eyes......without building an unworkable, exorbitantly-priced, pork barrel wall. The incentives for foreign hordes wanting to invade this country, jobs and welfare, must be removed. A wall will not accomplish this at all.
Yes, for a while the illegals will march across the border. However, no workee, no eatee..... then watch them decide to stay home and aggravate Senor Fox for a change.
Leni
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:47:13 AM PDT
by
MinuteGal
(FReeps Ahoy 4 cruisers are on the way home! Check the cruise thread for great photos in a few days.)
To: RodgerD
And you'll save thousands in reduced welfare, education and health care costs, which the illegal population drives up!
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:47:19 AM PDT
by
ovrtaxt
(My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
To: willgolfforfood
My comment wasn't anti-fence. As far as I'm concerned they should put tripple German concertina the whole 2000 miles.
I was more wondering what the cost of rural Interstate is. If it's close to the fencing costs I say it's a hell of a bargain. The fence, that is.
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:48:28 AM PDT
by
x1stcav
(Illegals go home! I'll mow the damned lawn myself!)
To: tacticalogic
Makes sense- except that barren desert will be a whole different ballgame in terms of construction and logistics. Legal costs are a different issue altogether.
These figures were taken from the Israeli wall.
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:48:55 AM PDT
by
ovrtaxt
(My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
To: kabar
According to the 2000 census there are 9 million Mexican-born residents in the US.The other 20 million didn't bother to return their Census forms.
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:49:31 AM PDT
by
Edit35
To: bert
There are lots of cost eefcteive ways it could be done. We'll just be deluged with 'cost' stories for a while from the illegal-symps in the lame stream media.
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:50:26 AM PDT
by
x1stcav
(Illegals go home! I'll mow the damned lawn myself!)
To: MinuteGal
even wrestling mats for captures.???
hahah!
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:51:07 AM PDT
by
ovrtaxt
(My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
To: ovrtaxt
That's $5,263 per kid. Extrapolate that to LOW estimates of 10,000,000 illegals, roughly half are kids, and you have a cost of 26 billion. And that was 1996. California now spends over $10,000 per kid.
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:52:31 AM PDT
by
Mojave
To: reformedliberal
Perhaps overloading it with 1st generation citizens will bring it down, end it and Americans will continue to shift to homeschool and private school.
This is a pipe dream friend, there is no limit to what the stupid voters in this country will spend on education. No matter how corrupt or insane any educational project is proved to be the answer is always to spend MORE MONEY. (And that is coming from a public school teacher.)
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:53:07 AM PDT
by
lonedawg
(why does that rag on your head say holiday inn?)
To: ovrtaxt
It's illegal to hire people who are not eligible to work in this country. If/when the federal government starts enforcing the law against employers who cheat on this, the fines would be more than enough to finance a wall.
It would also help to file criminal charges to employer/cheaters to qualify for criminal charges. That would also make the wall unneeded, because employers would stop cheating.
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:53:11 AM PDT
by
Bernard
(God helps those who helps themselves - The US Government takes in the rest.)
To: reformedliberal
As of July 1, 2006, only citizens can receive Medicaid. While ERs still have to provide services to everyone who enters, that is a Federal law and applies to all of us, in every state. A distinction without a difference, ERs are being used by illegals as clinics for routine care. What is your reference on the July 1, 2006 cutoff for Medicaid?
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:54:40 AM PDT
by
kabar
To: Bernard
hehe- see my home page...
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:54:46 AM PDT
by
ovrtaxt
(My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
To: ovrtaxt
Caramba!
Give me the Samba.
Leni
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posted on
05/21/2006 6:55:33 AM PDT
by
MinuteGal
(FReeps Ahoy 4 cruisers are on the way home! Check the cruise thread for great photos in a few days.)
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