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Open Borders? Why Not?
The Wall Street Journal ^ | July 2, 2001 | ROBERT L. BARTLEY

Posted on 05/21/2006 10:47:45 PM PDT by Plutarch

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To: Plutarch

We should call the new country

Meximerica!

Or if we opened it up to Canada, too, we could call it

MexiCanMerica, CanMexAmerica, CanAmMex, or CanaMexAm.

or simply call the the C.A.M.

I like that. Sounds cool. Next time a foreigner will say "Let's go to CAM." It's a place known for its camping, cameras, Computer Aided Manufacturing.


21 posted on 05/21/2006 11:38:07 PM PDT by freddymuldoon
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To: Plutarch
I made an egregious error on my post and I would like the opportunity to fix my mistake

I said that Mexico spends 4 percent of their GDP on education. That is false. According to the World Bank, Mexico spends 5.3 percent of their GDP on education and on health care about 6.10 percent of their GDP. This does not erase the fact that education and health care is required for social mobility
Freepers, please forgive me for my mistake.
22 posted on 05/22/2006 12:00:20 AM PDT by garbageseeker ("Opinion is ultimately determined by feeling and not by intellect" Herbert Spenser)
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To: Plutarch

The WSJ should open their website to show us the way. Bunch of hypocrites.


23 posted on 05/22/2006 12:31:46 AM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Paladin2

Its called cheap labor. The Robert Bartleys of this world could give a hoot what impact it has on this beloved country as their beloved is the bottom line and their annual country club fees.


24 posted on 05/22/2006 1:56:49 AM PDT by laconic
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To: Lorianne
US citizens should DEMAND to be able to move into Mexico anytime and work, buy property, own businesses, etc.

Why would we want to? I doubt very much there are 15 million Americans--5% of our population--who want to move to Mexico and have Mexico pay for top-quality medical care, education, police and fire protection, welfare, and the other social services we provide Mexicans.

25 posted on 05/22/2006 3:54:40 AM PDT by Fairview
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To: Plutarch

"ONLY THOSE ARE FIT TO LIVE WHO ARE NOT AFRAID TO DIE."
Gen. McArthur.

Now all illegals will leave if Americans get some guts. Get your rotten, stinking, thinking and your heads out of the ground.

Crops can be picked and the illegals can go back home. The same was true in the 50's when Canadians picked my uncle's apple orchards. JUST SAY NO TO MEXICO.


26 posted on 05/22/2006 4:33:35 AM PDT by Lumper20
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To: Lorianne

US citizens should DEMAND to be able to move into Mexico anytime and work, buy property, own businesses, etc.

The CFR is working on that. Be careful what you wish for!


27 posted on 05/22/2006 5:28:44 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: Fairview

Evidently, you have never worked in mental health.


28 posted on 05/22/2006 5:51:22 AM PDT by doberville
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To: garbageseeker
the Mexican Government needs to eliminate the corruption in all levels of government including law enforcement.

This is a job for the Mexican citizens.

They also need to give more money to educating its citizens where they can fully access the benefits of a middle class system.

I believe Mexican children are not required to go to school. Either that or it is not enforced. I know an Illegal who went to the 3rd grade. Her younger brother went to 6th. When he came here he was 16 so they put him in 10th grade. He dropped out after a year.

29 posted on 05/22/2006 6:00:15 AM PDT by uncitizen (" We are a nation of NATIVES")
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To: doberville

Stay in mental health. Never saw or heard of such messed folks as in this field. Reminds me of Dr Crummy. An SF major caught the looney tunes shrink in bed with his wife when he came home early from RVN,and; he did some carving.


30 posted on 05/22/2006 6:34:17 AM PDT by Lumper20
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To: T.L.Sink
You are certainly dead on correct about the profit motive behind their views. However, it appears to be that, and more. They don't just prefer open borders, they dream about it:

... open borders may yet prove not so wild a dream.

That we should live in a US overun, teeming, squalid, a babel of tongues, with labor at $2/hr to us is a nightmare, but to WSJ and their ilk a dream.

31 posted on 05/22/2006 6:35:17 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

Open Borders? Why Not?



A nation without borders is not a nation. And the WSJ is rapidly turning into a profits over national sovereignty traitorous POS.


32 posted on 05/22/2006 7:29:02 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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To: Plutarch

I don't know how many times I saw people attacked on this forum for being a Libertarian BECAUSE of the open borders issue. Now many of those attackers use "free trade" as the reason for open borders. The lemmings in political debate will always be there, although I believed that "conservatives" believed in country first. I guess the real reason to hate Libertarians was that they refused to vote a straight ticket reliably.


33 posted on 05/22/2006 7:47:19 AM PDT by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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To: staytrue
The EU has strict guidelines on who can join the EU. Open borders are for countries that are roughly similar.

When Spain and Portugal wanted to join the EU, it was feared that other members would be flooded with immigrants from those two countries putting a strain their services. Full membership was put off for 5 years while Spain and Portugal worked to improve job opportunities and living conditions, with the help of EU members.

The result was that at the end of 5 years conditions had improved so much in those two countries that many of those who had immigrated earlier, moved back.

IMHO, if Fox (Mexico) want open borders, then he should be working to improve conditions for his people in Mexico, not the US.

34 posted on 05/22/2006 8:17:14 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: Plutarch
This is why I loathe WSJ opinion pieces. Vulgar capitalists! They can be as obtusely doctrinaire as any pack of Marxists.

I'll take National Review on most any issue because their writers still understand that at least there are a few things that are not up for sale and that are still things more important than the almighty dollar.
35 posted on 05/22/2006 8:18:29 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: freddymuldoon
We should call the new country Meximerica! Or if we opened it up to Canada, too, we could call it MexiCanMerica, CanMexAmerica, CanAmMex, or CanaMexAm. or simply call the the C.A.M. I like that. Sounds cool. Next time a foreigner will say "Let's go to CAM." It's a place known for its camping, cameras, Computer Aided Manufacturing.

While we're at it, let's rename the Statue of Liberty. How about the Statue of International Cooperation? The Constitution will have to go as well, replaced by Documents of Unification. Bill of Rights? Nope. Just get rid of that...
36 posted on 05/22/2006 8:25:52 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Plutarch

How on earth can so many people think a merger with a 3rd world country would be anything but disastrous for the United States? Mexico's standard of living will increase somewhat while America's standard of living declines. The notion is pathetic.


37 posted on 05/22/2006 8:26:00 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Open borders = One-World government

A One World Government would mark the end of human progress. I wonder how people got it in their heads that there is anything desirable about one ruling body governing over all the peoples of the world? Too many people assume that such a setup is somehow inevitable and natural. It is anything but.

38 posted on 05/22/2006 8:31:19 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Junior_G
How on earth can so many people think a merger with a 3rd world country would be anything but disastrous for the United States?

Disaster for the citizens of the U.S. is ambrosia for the WSJ, and their open border ilk. There is something that antimates them, and it surely isn't patriotism. It goes beyond mere economic interest in greater profit. It doesn't have a name as far as I can tell. But Peggy Noonan describes it:

The other possibility is that the administration's slow and ambivalent action is the result of being lost in some geopolitical-globalist abstract-athon that has left them puffed with the rightness of their superior knowledge, sure in their membership in a higher brotherhood, and looking down on the low concerns of normal Americans living in America.

So by geopolitical-globalist abstract-athon (GGAA) it shall be known, until a better term can be devised.

The WSJ GGAA ideology appears to be the same that permeates the Bush Administration, and the Senate RINO's. It goes beyond political calculation and special interest pandering. Whatever support Bush is gaining from marginal improvement amongst Hispanic voters and financial contributions from the cheap labor lobby cannot make up for turning his conservative base into seething opposition.

Bush appears to be adherent, loyal to, the GGAA ideology the precepts of which he will advance as far as politically feasible. Thus we see Bush only grudgingly enforcing the border, but bent on providing amnesty for illegals, even at the cost of Nixonian popularity ratings and a looming GOP debacle in November.

Sounds fantastic. Some might (and will) even call it kooky. But has anyone seen any other explanation that explains the infuriating, politically nonsensical actions of the Bush Administration?

39 posted on 05/22/2006 9:47:59 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

Sad to say, your scenario is absolutely correct and demographers say precisely that.

Our culture is being transformed before our very eyes.We are creating a huge, subcultural underclass that won't be assimilated, largely undereducated and unskilled. As these burn out or self-destruct they are constantly replaced by others from the never ending waves of illegals who now comprise America's largest minority group.

We are also witnessing a social and economic disaster that is resulting in a higher and higher tax burden for such things as prison incarceration, bankrupt school districts, hospitals forced to curtail public emergency services, social welfare benefits, and the criminal and social costs of the drug cartel.

Simply stated, it's the balkanization of the nation. And we are encouraging it thanks to business interests that love the cheap labor and politicians who want to pander to the potential illegal vote.

Worse, these politicians - from the president and Congress down - are utterly oblivious to the national security danger presented by open and unguarded borders in this age of international terrorism.

I think we should remove "E pluribus unam" from our currency and replace it with "Reconquista Aeternum!". Oh well, at least we're verifying Arnold Toynbee's lesson from the philosophy of history: all great nations ultimately commit suicide.


40 posted on 05/22/2006 5:02:15 PM PDT by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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