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What the Base Thinks [about illegal immigration]
Powerline ^ | May 25, 2006 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 05/26/2006 8:08:46 AM PDT by Tirian

The Bush administration and Republican Senators have badly misjudged both the attitudes of most Republicans (and, of course, most Americans) toward illegal immigration, and the intensity of those views. While we have opposed the Senate plan, we have been pretty mild-mannered about it. So I'm turning the microphone over to my friend Bob Cunningham. No one I know of argues immigration-related issues more cogently. Equally important, no one I know of conveys the white-hot anger and sense of betrayal that millions of Americans feel about this issue more effectively.

We know that this site is widely read in the White House and in Congress. To all Republicans in Washington: please, please read what follows with care, and understand that Bob speaks for most Americans and the overwhelming majority of Republicans:

Here's what they're missing, and it is the principal reason, in my opinion, WHY the anti-ILLEGAL forces are so upset -- and so powerful.

It has to do with the bad faith, calculated deceit, Orwellian propaganda, dishonest sophistry, misdirection, arrogance, presumption, indifference to, and, indeed, contempt for the beliefs of huge numbers of ordinary Americans -- including LEGAL immigrants and Hispanic natives! --- on the part of political/media elites.

Let's recognize that the political process has --- democratically --- designated the illegals AS illegal. Why? Because we, as a nation, decided that their presence -- NOT themselves per se (as the false attribution of racism would have it) --- but their presence in such numbers for such purposes (the phony Jobs Americans Won't Do/Jobs Americans Are Not Doing) is undesirable. There are perfectly reasonable grounds for that judgment. When did we vote for the Mexification of America? ANS.: NEVER....Indeed, going back to the 1965 immigration "reforms", assurances were REPEATEDLY given (Kennedy) that such reforms would NOT lead to an influx or demographic change. And guess what? The burden of proof is NOT on the nation to justify this stance.

Period. Full stop. End of discussion.

Since these elites don't like that decision now they want us to accept a fait accompli..and more! They feel perfectly justified in collaborating in the subversion of our democratically enacted immigration regime --- with crass, narrow, economic special interests and with others having perhaps more sinister designs. Their objectives --- open borders, a free flow of cheap labor --- are plain now for all to see. Some no longer even bother to pretend otherwise.

Given that, there is NO REASON to believe ANY of their promises --- the "wall," enforcement of "tough" conditions for a "path to legalization/citizenship" or limits in a "tough and smart" "temporary" "guest workers" indentured servant-helot program. We also know that the very underlying rationale itself for "temporary" "guest workers" (the economically illiterate JAWD/JAAND) is in DIRECT CONTRADICTION to ANY arbitrary "limits"....Indeed, the very claim itself that deportation is "impossible" renders the enforcement promises self-refuting! We should all ignore the false promises and intentional non-feasance in the past?...and do I even have to mention the Simpson-Mazzoli fraud? "This time it's different"?....we REALLY mean it now?....

The ultimate retort of the immigration celebrationists --- let us call it the "immigrants are good people" argument --- is totally beside the point. It is an assertion that no one would disagree with, but it is also an argument that has NO internal LIMITING PRINCIPLE. There is, on its own terms, no non-arbitrary basis for excluding ANY ONE of the 6 billion non-Americans. Other than criminal disqualification, most of them, are, indeed "good people"....so what?

Well, we already decided the question of numbers and limits...and the political/media elites, in conjunction with the scofflaw employers, do NOT have standing to subvert the democratic decision made, upon deliberation, several times in reliance on what we now can see were plainly false promises.

Never again.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; amnesty; borders; bushamnesty; cira; hinderaker; hr4437; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immgrantlist; immigration; immigrationillegal; invasionusa
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To: Tirian
"The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles."

AYN RAND
41 posted on 05/26/2006 9:06:21 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: ohioWfan
Same here: I wish just for once you and your pals here would try to be factually accurate about what you say the rest of us (i.e. the Conservative base) are saying. Just once.
42 posted on 05/26/2006 9:09:38 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: kAcknor

same here. In MN, it's hard to tell the republican'ts from the demonrats.


43 posted on 05/26/2006 9:11:50 AM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!)
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To: Youngman442002
Well, there is life after all this. Perhaps in another country. Millions of Afrikaners and Rhodesians went through this due to the orders of the US, UN and EU.

Now their countries belong to other races, and many are finding a new living in foreign lands. Rhodesia is a basket case, and South Africa is fast following, so I guess the only reason for this was that those in power have a few good feelings.
44 posted on 05/26/2006 9:16:58 AM PDT by seppel
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To: DTogo
I am part of both the Republican base AND the conservative base.

Where you constantly err..........deliberately, I'm sure...........is insinuating, or saying outright, that those of us who support President Bush are not conservatives.

It's a bogus accusation, and somewhere inside, you know it.

Now please, don't ping me to threads with the sole purpose of insulting me. I prefer to choose my own battles, thank you.

45 posted on 05/26/2006 9:17:19 AM PDT by ohioWfan (When the 'base' and DU are in agreement about the President, the problem is not with him.)
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To: Tirian

Official Announcement: The government today announced that it is changing its emblem from an Eagle to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you're actually being screwed!

Damn, it just doesn't get more accurate than that!


46 posted on 05/26/2006 9:18:58 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Tirian
The Bush administration and Republican Senators have badly misjudged both the attitudes of most Republicans (and, of course, most Americans) toward illegal immigration...

The very first sentence, the basis of this article is wrong. They know how we feel, they just don't care. They have plans and we the lowly citizens are not gonna get in their way.

47 posted on 05/26/2006 9:21:41 AM PDT by uncitizen (" We are a nation of NATIVES")
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To: ohioWfan
No, I believe there are a lot of Bush supporters who are true conservatives, just as I believe there are a lot of Bush critics (not the haters) who are true conservatives.

And I believe that both types are part of the "Base," just that some are willing to stick with the GOP whereas others are willing to distance themselves from the GOP (or disapponted that the GOP is distancing itself from them).

What say you?

48 posted on 05/26/2006 9:23:43 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: trubluolyguy
Exactly. Washington D.C. we simply do not trust you.

This has the makings of a real good tagline. Hope you don't mind if i borrow and paraphrase....

49 posted on 05/26/2006 9:26:17 AM PDT by uncitizen ("In Congress We Do Not Trust")
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To: DTogo
I'm glad you distinguish between the haters and the critics.

I'm plenty mad at the GOP.........my two Senators in particular, and they know it. But when it comes to the future of this country, and the possibility of throwing it into the hands of the treasonous left because we're mad at those who are with us 70% of the time, that's where I draw the line.

It is my deep and fervent view that no real conservative says there is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats. There are too many issues on which there is a vast gulf between the two for that view to have any validity.

The time to push out RINOS is during the primaries. In this state, the choice is between DeWine (whom I voted AGAINST in the primary), and a left wing extremist Sherrod Brown. No one who cares about the future of America would allow Brown to be elected, no matter what DeWine has done.

Got to go now.

50 posted on 05/26/2006 9:32:35 AM PDT by ohioWfan (When the 'base' and DU are in agreement about the President, the problem is not with him.)
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To: Thombo2

There is more security at the Rayburn building right now ...than there is on the whole border....wimps..they really are wimps.....


51 posted on 05/26/2006 9:36:47 AM PDT by Youngman442002
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To: Wuli

Bingo! I think you found one of them Jobs the American Right will not do, Marching in the Streets!

Sad but true.


52 posted on 05/26/2006 9:37:15 AM PDT by TC Builders
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To: Tirian

it should be known as THE LEAVE NO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT BEHIND ACT of 2006.

And Bush is supporting this and I was publicly on FR backing Bush. And many of you on FR were trying to warn me that this is a bad bill. I have seen the light now that the ugly details are being made known.


53 posted on 05/26/2006 9:38:01 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Defiant
"That, my friends, will swamp the GOP and send it to minority status for 70 years, if not forever, because once the Dems are back in control for good, with modern technology and there own personal propaganda mills, they may never let go of the levers of power again."

Crossroads for the Republic, if we want to keep it.

Apparently those in D.C. don't.

The question you must ask yourself is this:

Did We the People give the federal government and the industrialists the authority to strike the borders, transform the rule of law into the rule of men (amnesty), and surender our Constitution to a foreign power (North American Union and Vicente Fox)?

That is what is happening right before our very eyes this very minute.

And I'd like to thank the U.S. Senate for their clear answer to that question yesterday. Now if we can only get the House to agree with the senate we can all go back to sleep again and stop all this gut-wrenching confusion over such a simple matter as whose country it is to give away.

/whatever

54 posted on 05/26/2006 9:56:21 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: tigtog

"Time to turn out some Republicans. This means either don't vote, or vote for the Dem."

No, vote for a better Republican in the primary.


55 posted on 05/26/2006 10:07:29 AM PDT by 3niner
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To: tigtog

I understand your point, but right now I may just not vote at all. If there is no difference between a Dem Senate and Republican Senate why should I vote?


3 reasons...
JUDGES,JUDGES,JUDGES


56 posted on 05/26/2006 10:11:20 AM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: Tirian

A rancher near here, whose ranch is literally on the border; fell in love with and married a Mexican lady. They applied to do everything legally and it has been a nightmare. You cannot imagine the teasing they have had to put up with- it is plain to everyone she could have simply walked across, and no one would have been the wiser.

Immigration for those trying to go the legal route is a nightmare, and that is what should have been addressed with any reform. Now I don't see how if this new Immigration scheme passes it won't bog down the system and make it even tougher on those trying to follow the law.


57 posted on 05/26/2006 10:21:46 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and secure the border!!!)
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To: tigtog
Time to turn out some Republicans. This means either don't vote, or vote for the Dem.

I disagree. If you are thinking of not voting, stop right there. If you do not vote how will the pubies know you are opposed to their actions? Well, of course the answer is they will not know. So instead of not voting, let the pubies and the rats KNOW they lost your vote.

How? Easy. Vote third party.

If the pubbies can't get this very simple issue of the illegal aliens right I am voting constitution party. It will be a counted vote that the pub AND rats will see THEY DID NOT GET.

58 posted on 05/26/2006 10:28:27 AM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ 2005, Texas Minutemen El Paso, Oct and April 2006)
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To: kAcknor

All four of mine (senators from Oklahoma and Georgia) are in the NO column.

Thank you, Sen. Inhofe, Sen. Coburn, Sen. Isaakson, and Sen. Chambliss.

I have voted for three of these good men (not in the same election!). I couldn't vote for Sen. Coburn when I lived in Oklahoma because he was then running for representative and I wasn't in his district. But I was really pulling for him.


59 posted on 05/26/2006 10:32:25 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Youngman442002
There is more security at the Rayburn building right now ...than there is on the whole border....wimps..they really are wimps.....

Are you telling me that the Congers of the United States is not protected by a virtual wall?

Note: Congers are eels. Thanks to Pogo's Walt Kelly for this designation.

60 posted on 05/26/2006 10:39:48 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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