Posted on 05/26/2006 8:08:46 AM PDT by Tirian
Don't be depressed, be mad--and fight for your country. They can't take it away from us unless we let them. Have you called your Rep. today?
Remind congress that they too are a part of the temporary guest worker program. We can vote them out and we will vote them out if they continue to ignore the people.
Nobody in congress should be safe if they vote for the free pass to lawbreakers Senate Version.
There are good people waiting to run for office against those established puppets of the kill America conspiracy.
They just need citizens money and support.
We should ask them at every opportunity whether it was a mistake or a deliberate act of defiance of the people who elected them.
I understand your point, but right now I may just not vote at all. If there is no difference between a Dem Senate and Republican Senate why should I vote? Unfortuneately, thoses in the Senate supporting this bill are not up for election. Our only hope is we stall this into the mid terms and allow the House to have to run on the immigration issue. I think this would give all a real chance to see what America really wants to do. BTW, even Insane McCain would pay attention to the House elections.
agreed, i know people following the law within the iNS system and it is amazing how long even the most basic paperwork takes.
The worst part is the new law may provide no amnesty or waiver of various process/requirements to those currently legally part of the multi-year processing backlog at INS (conditional permanent residents, etc.), while giving eventual permanent legal residence to illegals who never complied. this is rather perverse at best.
Does anyone know if the senate version did in fact address the people currently in the system waiting?
In 1994 we cleaned out a lot of the old liberals.
In 2006, 2008, and 2010, we will clean out the RINOs and more liberals.
All you Denny Hasterts, Bill Frists, Harry Reids, and William Jeffersons before. We are going to hunt you down, publicize your failings, and either kick your butts outta town or put you in prison.
Conservatives, let's roll up our sleeves and get to work.
One is up for reelection. Screw him. I'll not support a democrat, but I'll leave that race blank (significantly, for much the same reasons).
A good argument can be made of the consequences of losing, up to and including the loss of the Senate. What of it? If in the end, the results are the same, and the only difference is the timetable, or a matter of degree of outcome, really, so what?
--From Ohio
Certainly a difference of opinion here at FR as to what/who the "Base" really is...
Well said - here's what I wrote to my Kansas Senator that defected to the Dems on this issue:
Senator Brownback - I am OUTRAGED at your vote on the Senate Immigration
Bill. You broke ranks with a majority of Republican Senators. You broke
ranks with Senators Roberts, Talent and Bond. But more importantly, you
broke ranks with - and are losing the faith of - your constituents.
A SIGNIFCANT PLURALITY of citizens do not want the type of reform the
Senate passed on Thursday. How is it that you found yourself able to
support a bill that a MAJORITY of Republican Senators opposed?
How is it that you supported a bill that the two Senators from Texas did
not support? Do you not think they understand, better than you, the
implications of illegal immigration upon our society?
As a strong Republican, my only regret is that you are NOT up for
reelection until 2010. For I would devote all of my energy into finding
and supporting a GOP candidate that would represent our values, that would
not give away our culture and our country to Mexico and that would care
more about what U.S. citizens wanted than what illegal aliens and the
President of Mexico wanted.
Their outright defiance is a measure of how confident they are that there will be no effective retribution. If you've ever had experience negotiating, you know the best negotiator is someone who has nothing to lose.
We should be alarmed not only by the sheer defiance of the Senate bill, but by the underlying reasons for their confidence. That's the most frightening aspect.
If you are confused about what I have been referring to as NOT being the feeling of the base, it is the intense anger and hatred of the President exhibited by a minority on this forum claiming to be the 'base' but either being extreme rightists who never supported this President in the first place, or DU trolls.
I wish just for once you and your pals here would try to be factually accurate about what you say the rest of us (i.e. the Republican base) are saying. Just once.
"I know what will happen(in 5 yrs)when we go through another recession...."It doesn't look good.Just think of the drain on social services.How many millions of $$$$(in Denver alone)will be diverted from fire,police,etc to feed and house the unemployed?The costs will(imo)put a lot of local gov's out of business.
Washington listen??? Shoot my cat listens more attentively!
Re: Washington the old question comes to mind 'were you lying then or are you lying now?' The concept of trust is earned and s/b cherished. Washington stopped earning my 'trust' a long time ago. Recent developments have only confirmed my previous beliefs.
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Slowly but steadily, we won people over. By the late 60's, we had an emerging GOP majority in national elections. Nixon's Watergate gave us Carter by a hair, but Reagan corrected that with gusto four years later. We continued to win the intellectual battles, as socialism failed in place after place, and the US economy showed that capitalism works best. Clinton was the exception that proved the rule, a minority president who won only by siphoning off the populist voters with Perot and only because he pretended to be a centrist AND only because the new conservative majority was so pissed at Bush because he clearly was not a conservative.
But the pain of a Clinton victory was softened because it helped the American people decide it was finally time to jettison the Dem congress that had prevented Republicans from doing much in office to actually change the leftist/socialist mixed economy that was erected unconstitutionally in the 30s under FDR. Now, we had the Congress, and with W's election in 2000, we might actually be able to accomplish things.
Well, Bush has done very little to advance the conservative agenda. His best efforts in that regard are his Supreme Court picks, which (other than the Miers fiasco) were fantastic. But on government spending, bureaucracy, immigration and a host of other things, Bush is indistinguishable from Clinton. Name one executive order of Clinton's that Bush reversed on his own, from the Utah land grab to the "wall" between justice and the FBI. He left Clinton's people in State, CIA, Justice, the Pentagon.
The war on terror has been listless at best. He should have gone into Iraq one year earlier, as Steyn has written, and as I was saying at the time, not just with hindsight. He should have been more forceful with Syria, instead of letting them attack us from the rear. He should have been actively arming Iranian freedom fighters in the hills of the north since 2002, and fomenting rebellion there, which even if unsuccessful, would tie up those mullahs so they couldn't be causing trouble in Iraq. He should be more active in Waziristan, and if it means venturing into Pakistan once in a while in hot pursuit of AQ, so be it. Stuff it Mushareff. And as a security issue, the border is a joke.
But is is as a cultural and political issue that the border is most threatening to Americans. Suppose that the numbers are right, that there are 12 million illegals in the US right now. If legalized, those people are going to be Democrat voters for at least 3 generations, based on simple demographics. There are enough of them now to sway elections in states that are getting closer, such as Arizona, Nevada, Colorado. They will swell Rat voter rolls in Rat states like California, New Mexico, and as far away as Pennsylvania, Ohio and Louisiana. Even in GOP states, like Texas, they will cause loss of house seats in Districts that are close.
However, what is far worse is that those 12 million will be 30 million within a scant 10 or 20 years, as relatives of legal citizens and the children of legal citizens come pouring across the border. That, my friends, will swamp the GOP and send it to minority status for 70 years, if not forever, because once the Dems are back in control for good, with modern technology and there own personal propaganda mills, they may never let go of the levers of power again. That GOP (I should say conservative, because the two are not synonomous) century will be cut off at its inception, before it ever got a chance to get off the ground and show what it could do for this country.
To maintain the majority that we have worked so hard for, to restore constitutional government, and reduce the size and scope of government, we have to build on the current slim majority, which is approximately 51/49, into a permanent 55/45 or higher majority. Demographic trends, excluding Mexicans, are with us--a wealthier nation, growing suburbs, more educated populace. The FDR socialists are dying off, and the battle is now between the hippie/baby boom/marxist radicals and the free marketeers who revere Reagan. The radicals are not able to sustain the intellectual argument--among Americans. But they can convince 90 percent of the Mexicans to vote with them. And that will change the equation completely.
Bush thinks that he can coopt their votes by being nice to them. But he can't, no more than the fact that the GOP supported civil rights more than the Dems in the 60s led to black support of the GOP. Dems pushed welfare, and blacks voted for Dems, and that is what poor uneducated laborers from Central America will do.
Maybe Bush thinks he needs to be nice to keep the support of current hispanic citizens, but it's not true. About 47 percent of hispanics voted for Prop 187 in California. They are threatened by a new wave of immigration from even poorer hispanics, and so long as our policies are anti-immigrant, not anti-hispanic, the hispanic citizens will not decrease their support substantially from the 40 percent or so that currently vote GOP. Most of those are Cuban anyway.
I get so angry about this because Bush is pissing away the efforts of millions of conservatives over many years, including Jim Robinson right here, to convince Americans that conservatism is the best philosophy of government, if he lets this happen. We can't let him do it--it will take another Harriet Miers times 10.
Vote in the primary for a good Republican. If you don't have one in your area, send some money to one in a different district.
For example, here's a guy running against David Dreier who is right on this issue: http://sardoforcongress.org/
I have been saying for weeks now that the GOP leadership has and will continue, to only respond to the mob in the street.
We need a delay of action in the house and a date certain for a citizens march in D.C., organized and led by every conservative grass roots organization in the country.
But even our "conservatives" here are not listening.
Because mass demonstrations go against the psychological pre-disposition of conservatives (this is a republic not a democracy), conservatives are self-limiting our options to making our voice heard with the force it deserves and needs at this moment.
Believing we will not "take to the streets" or even organize to do so, the GOP elites are counting on that fact and thus counting on the media's lack of a need to focus on such an event, and focus on our actual numbers as one of their means of ignoring and muting the voice of the grass roots of the GOP.
They fully intend to work a fait accompli BEFORE November; as if to say - "Now we got the bastard law we wanted and you will look like the bad guys, even if in 2 to four years you could have the votes in Congress to repeal it; we [they] can keep spinning the deceitful platitudes about what the "reforms" do (not) and make you look like ogers".
But, if the we can stop them from achieving that, then the November elections will be a referendum on their non-reforms, and contrary to what the GOP leadership is spinning, the chances for their bill will be less after November not greater (most of the Democrat Senators who voted AGAINST the bill are up for re-election). They are at least honest about what the people really want.
But, even here, few are prepared to work to give national focus, in public, to our true concerns and true numbers?
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