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WINE TASTING - France Suffers a California Smackdown
DER SPIEGEL ^ | May 25, 2006 | sf chronicle

Posted on 05/27/2006 7:31:42 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge

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To: Atlantic Bridge

California. The new France.


41 posted on 05/27/2006 10:12:33 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (I like to make everyone's day a little more surreal)
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To: tertiary01
I bet a lot of California vineyardists would disagree about the Italians

I bet they wouldn't. The early California vinters were mostly Italian. Ever hear of names like Mondavi, Martini, Sebastiani, Gallo, Nichelini, Simi, Parducci, Pedroncelli, Seghesio, Martinelli, Rafanelli, Riboli, Foppiano? There were a lot of Germans and other Europeans too, but the Italians dominated the California wine trade until relatively recently.

-ccm

42 posted on 05/27/2006 10:12:54 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: Michael.SF.
I have long had California Rieslings, but they paled in comparison to the German ones that I had.

The Germans do that very, very well. There is no real competition for that varietal IMO. I have a few bottles of spectacular '76 that are still wonderful. I do not buy by region, I buy by varietal and choose the appropriate region.

43 posted on 05/27/2006 10:16:57 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: tortoise
I buy by varietal and choose the appropriate region.

Nothing wrong with that policy.

That is the reason I believe that the best of the French wines represent the best of what certain varietals can attain. The French have perfected the matching of varietals with locale.

However, what California lacks in matching locations, they make up for in better wine making technique (though the french are catching up).

44 posted on 05/27/2006 10:47:38 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("I don't think Pat Kennedy is crazy, he's just a drunk" -- G. Gordon Liddy (5-10-06))
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Most overrated movie ever, IMO"

It had it's moments. ;o)
Paul Giamotti is a brilliant actor. IMHO.
45 posted on 05/27/2006 11:08:57 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

I expect the French secret services to get to work on this right away and pull some nasty suprise on California's wine industry.


46 posted on 05/27/2006 11:12:50 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Probably not going to be front-page news in Le Monde. Just a hunch.
47 posted on 05/27/2006 11:15:32 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Atlantic Bridge
< socialist group think >

It's European, then it must be good, right?

It's French, so it must be good, right?

< / socialist group think >

48 posted on 05/27/2006 11:17:25 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: ccmay

The poster didn't specify what era he/she was talking about.


49 posted on 05/27/2006 11:18:47 AM PDT by tertiary01 (Obsessive Compulsive Thread Nannyism. I hope I don't catch it.)
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To: George W. Bush

This must be a world record. 30 years without a frog surrender.


50 posted on 05/27/2006 11:20:22 AM PDT by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

I've heard that the European wine industry is heavily regulated with limitations on 'blending' etc... all in the name of 'preserving the cultural heritage' of the various countries with regard to wine, as if somehow the innate creativity of the private sector would destory a culture, rather than create it. :) However, if I had to guess I'd say this is just an example of big government being influenced by the stagnating powers that be (probably entrenched family wineries) with political influence.

It may be a stretch but perhaps this is why this particular competition turned out the way it did. :)


51 posted on 05/27/2006 12:41:29 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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52 posted on 05/27/2006 12:46:13 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Michael.SF.

The Finger Lakes region of New York also produces some wonderful Rieslings & Gewurtztraminers.


53 posted on 05/27/2006 4:17:36 PM PDT by Sisku Hanne (Send "Cut-n-Run" Murtha packing. Support Diana Irey for US Congress!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

I lived on the Mosel for 6 months in 1987 and fell in love with German wines. Add to German wines Aussie, Californian and even wine from North Carolina, I see no reason whatsoever to buy a french whine.


54 posted on 05/27/2006 4:55:11 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Anti-Bubba182
French Phylloxera infested stock

Umm, not sure here, but I think that's another term for "Cheeze eating surrender monkey infestation". Surrender monkeys can screw up a decent wine, for sure!

Seriously, some moderately priced California Cabernet Sauvignon or Merlot wines compare very well with much higher priced Bordeau and Beaujolais wines from France. Hmmm, should I buy the excellent Meridian Cabernet for $12.00, or should I spring for the B&G Beaujolais for $25.00? Actually, price neutral, I prefer the California wines!

55 posted on 05/27/2006 6:26:24 PM PDT by Don Carlos (Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy. (B. Franklin))
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To: river rat
Nope! I've never had "problems" with women.... My comments and observations were from personal experience..

If that was your experience than you have obviously a problem with women. In Germany we have a old proverb: Same people seem to mix.

Your's was from your imagination -- and dead wrong.... I've been married to the same saint for 44 years... Are you still screwing drunken French whores?

Your wife must be a saint if she is bearing you over 44 years since you seem to lack all forms of politeness and manners. Although I am married since 10 years, I know quite a few wonderful French women that are for sure not the drunken whores of your dirty phantasy.

56 posted on 05/28/2006 3:35:50 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: rattrap

I don't know about places like Berkley, but in Southern California you'd be hard pressed to find a single female who doesn't shave her armpits.


57 posted on 05/28/2006 7:29:12 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Hebrews 11:6
You need to see this website: Rockne & Jones
58 posted on 05/28/2006 7:33:12 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Atlantic Bridge
"...lack all forms of politeness and manners."

Ah yes, the world awaits training in "politeness and manners" from the Germans (of all people).... sure they are.

Perhaps the Germans should attempt to "salvage" those few wonderful French Women you know -- before they are required to "welcome" the new Muslim occupiers.

Semper Fi

59 posted on 05/28/2006 9:05:05 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Sisku Hanne
The Finger Lakes region of New York also produces some wonderful Rieslings & Gewurtztraminers.

To be honest I see very few wines from upstate NY in the local wine stores so I have rarely bought them. I will investigate further, thanks!

60 posted on 05/28/2006 10:53:53 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("I don't think Pat Kennedy is crazy, he's just a drunk" -- G. Gordon Liddy (5-10-06))
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