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Kerry Pressing Swiftboat Case, Long After Loss ["They lied and lied and lied about everything,"]
New York Times ^

Posted on 05/27/2006 10:22:00 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Kerry Pressing Swiftboat Case, Long After Loss By KATE ZERNIKE

John Kerry starts by showing the entry in a log he kept from 1969: "Feb 12: 0800 run to Cambodia."

He moves on to the photographs: his boat leaving the base at Ha Tien, Vietnam; the harbor; the mountains fading frame by frame as the boat heads north; the special operations team the boat was ferrying across the border; the men reading maps and setting off flares.

"They gave me a hat," Mr. Kerry says. "I have the hat to this day," he declares, rising to pull it from his briefcase. "I have the hat."

Three decades after the Vietnam War and nearly two years after Mr. Kerry's failed presidential bid, most Americans have probably forgotten why it ever mattered whether he went to Cambodia or that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth accused him of making it all up, saying he was dishonest and lacked patriotism.

But among those who were on the frontlines of the 2004 campaign, the battle over Mr. Kerry's wartime service continues, out of the limelight but in some ways more heatedly — because unlike then, Mr. Kerry has fully engaged in the fight. Only those on Mr. Kerry's side, however, have gathered new evidence to prove their case.

The Swift boat group continues to spend money on Washington consultants, according to public records, and last fall it gave $100,000 to a group that promptly sued Mr. Kerry, a Democratic senator from Massachusetts, for allegedly interfering with the release of a film that was critical of him.

Some of the principals behind the Swift boat group continue to press their claims.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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To: mylife
He's begining to sound like Lawrence O'Donnell

ROTFL!...Exactly

81 posted on 05/27/2006 10:51:16 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Whiner. He'll never grow up.


82 posted on 05/27/2006 10:51:23 AM PDT by Melinda
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To: AGreatPer

The question remains.
"will the democrats back him"
Ive seen a ton of them at the DUmp turn on him for being a loser


83 posted on 05/27/2006 10:51:58 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: malia

If Kerry wishes to continue to support his "history of lies".....the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will have a LOT more money this go around ---- since MANY of us will NOT contribute to the GOP if the Immigration Amnesty and some other insane bills go through....

ALL my contribution budget will go to the Swift Boat Veterans..

Semper Fi


84 posted on 05/27/2006 10:52:28 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: jazusamo

Im glad some one remembers Larrys little meltdown L0L


85 posted on 05/27/2006 10:53:36 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Sub-Driver
Yawn, snore, WHAT??? A HAT,,,,he got a HAT, WELL, THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!!!!

What a freakin' buffoon!

86 posted on 05/27/2006 10:53:43 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (Say what you feel, those that matter don't mind, those that mind don't matter.)
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To: El Gato

Actually, he didn't sign a Form 180 releasing ALL his records to all interested parties, only a limited subset to a few pro-Kerry writers.


87 posted on 05/27/2006 10:54:02 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: Sub-Driver
So Kerry show the NY Times the entry in a log he kept from 1969: "Feb 12: 0800 run to Cambodia."

Then Kerry show a photographs: his boat leaving the base at Ha Tien, Vietnam;

Then Kerry show "the hat" "I have the hat."

But Kerry does not and will not show anyone his un-expunge discharge papers as release direct from Pentagon records.

Does the NY Times ask why?...

The brilliant investigative reporter of the NY Times accepts every thing Kerry willing, no wants, to show them.

But the NY Times never ever ask for or even question things Kerry doesn't want to show them....

Man o Man! that just some of the damm finest investigative reporting there I've ever seen!

88 posted on 05/27/2006 10:54:06 AM PDT by tophat9000 (If it was illegal French Canadians would La Raza back them? Racist back there race over country)
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To: P-40

The timing of this attempted confrontation is telling, trying to get it out and over with early. Clearly, he still doesn't understand the scope of his opposition.


89 posted on 05/27/2006 10:55:04 AM PDT by Melinda
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To: altura
"His supporters are compiling a dossier that they say will expose every one of the Swift boat group's charges as a lie and put to rest any question about Mr. Kerry's valor in combat. While it would be easy to see this as part of Mr. Kerry's exploration of another presidential run, his friends say the Swift boat charges struck at an experience so central to his identity that he would want to correct the record even if he were retiring from public life."

That is probably true. He has been basking in this phony story as a war hero who figured out how to bug out in less than five months from Vietnam. He has used his war hero status to get elected again and again. Who else would have a personalized license plate, PH3? His entire identity has been blasted to pieces along with his legacy. It is similar to Clinton's impeachment.

I notice that the NYT story never mentions that Mr. Schachte was an Admiral. The whole story is so biased against the SBVFT. The only thing missing are the facts to refute the SBVFT charges. Also, it is Kerry who is suing the swiftees.

90 posted on 05/27/2006 10:55:17 AM PDT by kabar
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To: El Gato
How many times can you call someone a liar without ending up in court, where records can be subpoenaed?

This is why john kerry will never sue the Swiftboat Vets. All his records would have to be made available to the defense, and his career would be ended in disgrace. No, the coward kerry will attempt to try this in the friendly press.

91 posted on 05/27/2006 10:55:23 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: GarySpFc
This nut case is going to run again.

He doesn't stand a chance with Chris Dodd throwing his hat into the right! (Can you believe it?????)

92 posted on 05/27/2006 10:55:34 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: Jeff Chandler

>>>>A Magic Hat.

Or Mad Hatter.


93 posted on 05/27/2006 10:56:21 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: doorgunner69



Thank you for your service.


94 posted on 05/27/2006 10:56:48 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (Say what you feel, those that matter don't mind, those that mind don't matter.)
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To: Clara Lou

Giving out hats is common. We have a PA State Police--Trooper hat given to my husband years ago by a dive budy. Means nothing, but if you leave it on the dashboard where it is visible from the window, people will leave the car alone, even w/a "W--still the President" sticker.

He has worn it and certain teen age thug types then settle down in his presence.


95 posted on 05/27/2006 10:56:52 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: mylife

I'll never forget it. It's the only time I've seen Buchanan at a loss for words.


96 posted on 05/27/2006 10:57:07 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: kabar
Who else would have a personalized license plate, PH3?

what a self centered (rice) ass

97 posted on 05/27/2006 10:57:18 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Sub-Driver
I guess if Kerry wants to run again, the Swift boat heroes will give him plenty of free media exposer. Go Swift boaters!
98 posted on 05/27/2006 10:57:41 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: zeaal
Is Kerry still married to Mrs. Heinz?

Reputedly. And she IS Mrs. Heinz again. Dropped the "Kerry" designation like a hot potato.

99 posted on 05/27/2006 10:57:45 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Clara Lou
In my opinion, support for Kerry from the NY Times is great news. Kerry is a very weak candidate, and the people at the Times know it. If they're supporting him nevertheless, it shows they have no better alternatives.
100 posted on 05/27/2006 10:57:48 AM PDT by 68skylark
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