Posted on 05/29/2006 1:07:04 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe
Indonesian bird flu researcher CA Nidom MS said he was convinced that human-to-human bird flu infection had been taking place in Indonesia, official news agency Antara reported on Friday.
"I am convinced human-to-human infection has been taking place because studies have found the development of H3N2 and H1N1 strains of bird flu virus which originated from H5N1 virus. Much more, fowl-to-human infection cannot yet be proven since the death of Iwan in Tangerang," he said on the sidelines of a seminar on bird flu in Surabaya, East Java, on Friday.
Nidom, a researcher of the Tropical Disease Centre (TDC) of the University of Airlangga (Unair)'s Medical School, made the remarks in response to a statement by a World Health Organization official that bird flu infection from human to human had been found in the village of Kubu Sembelang, Tanah Karo district, North Sumatra, Indonesia.
(Excerpt) Read more at english.peopledaily.com.cn ...
Note that any H2H H5N1 transmission in this case does NOT mean that such transmission occurred as a result of casual contact.
The infected persons apparently were caregivers in the home for people previously infected, and were in close contact with those patients.
Interesting to note the differences in the stories between researchers and officials, too.
ping.
Also interesting that the Chinese are printing it at all..
Yes, it is, but note the case cluster believed to be H2H is not in China.
This will distract world attention from whatever has happened in China, and focus it on this cluster of cases in Indonesia.
Oh NO! Run for your life!!!
H5N1 was going to jump the H2H barrier at some point. I don't know if this is it or a false start.
I'm sort of a fatalist in this regard. It's going to happen, if not this time, then eventually. There's really not much we can do about it.
Most of us can't do effective isolation. The best advice is to either catch it early while there are plenty of ventilators, or don't catch it all and hope the strain weakens as it spreads.
It's just one of those things.
Ban travel to Indonesia.
Geez..., and I thought that I was a fatalist!
The junk science promoters have the loudest voices. I have heard the scientists speak that they attempt to drown out. They disagree with their doomsday pronouncements. I'll go with the quiet voices.
These folks were in close contact, and from the same household, caring for those who were ill.
It is not as if someone walked by the other and caught it from a sneeze.
This bug will have to become better at infecting people before it reaches pandemic proportions.
In the meantime, avoiding contact with infected birds, their carcasses, and droppings, seem to be adequate prevention.
Observing basic hygiene (washing hands, etc.) will go a long ways in preventing infection.
There are several strains of influenza, many of which are 'bird flu' strains, but the real nasty one, H5N1, has not reached the point where 'easy' transmission from human to human can be shown to have occurred. It may never reach that point, for all we know, and may remain relatively difficult to catch. Let's hope so.
What a bunch of doom and gloom BS.
Completely impossible. Fishing and trade boats run in and out of the country all the time from every little village on the coasts, and do it without the blessings or approval of the government. Only a few miles separate Indonesia from Malaysia and Singapore.
The country leaks people in and out like a sieve. Successfully quarantining the country is not a practical option.
Good luck getting to see a doctor, everyone with the sniffles and the 'standard' flu will be standing in line ahead of you. And ventilators, you've read enough of these threads to know we are practically maxed out every flu season as it is.
You'd better be prepared to self medicate. I saw on one of these BF threads that someone said that everyone was eventually exposed to the 1918 flu (I don't know how true), so, isloation (my plan) may not be effective either.
Both my parents (bless their souls) would have been exposed to the 1918 flu as one-year-olds maybe they passed on some benefit to me.(?)
That's not a tabloid that specializes in scaring people or hyping stuff to sell copies.
Basically, it stated that it will become a pandemic within the next 10 years at the latest. There is no vaccine, and there won't even be limited supplies of it until six months after it spreads around the world. And with today's transportation infrastructure, no place on the planet is more than 48 hours away from your neighborhhood.
So, it is what it is. Worrying about it won't change things. I'm not sure how else I should feel about that.
The wildfire spread of H5N1 in birds this past year started in China. China has been less than transparent about their human cases, only admitting to them AFTER several other nations had (see? They gave it to us), and China is going to be hosting the Olympics, right?
Does anyone think, after the disgraceful way China hid early SARS cases, allowing thousands to get the disease, allowing spread to many other countries (including the US) that they will be open and honest about H5N1?
You make a great point. China will be honest about OTHER nations' case numbers. Maybe.
While this does not mean 'doomsday' or pandemic, it may be a significant development.
It bears watching, imo, but not panic, by any means.
Beat me to it. Soap works wonders.
PUKE ALERT!
The disgusting truth is that bird flu is found where many people put the heads of birds in their mouth. Anywhere there is cock-fighting in Asia, there are men who will use their own mouth to "clear" the beak and nose of a fighting bird.
I don't see this disease breaking out unless Americans start sucking on the heads of live, injured birds.
My parents were born the same year as yours. And my dear mother, still alive and active, has her own stock of precautionary antivirals for this go-round.
Regarding the article, I really didn't see much new there. Limited h2h has occurred all through this.
But I wouldn't be at all surprised to wake up some morning and hear that there are 1,000 or more human cases.
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