And they all go to the same finger-pointing school!
Posted on 06/01/2006 5:06:48 PM PDT by SJackson
So ?
How does the existance of the word in the English translations contradict my assertion that a follower of the religion writing in Arabic would not have used a word to indicate that his leaders were engaged in illegal activity ?
That would be kind of like the Pope giving his blessing to The DaVinci Code - wouldn't it ?
You're getting harder to follow - are you saying this one that you mention -
"Thus, we find the first ‘Hadith’ book of the Shi’as is Usool-ul-Kaafi. This is the work of Muhammad ibn Ya’coob al-Kaleeni (d.328AH). This is considered a book of Hadith because according to the Shi’as, Imaam Mahdi attested to the correctness of this book. (Asaarul Hadith vol.1 pg.413) "
Is the same one that you searched for booty in the translation of ? How do you figure ? Are you under the impression that there is simply one hadith ?
But you do illustrate the point that the authenticity and validity of all of these are in question since the the "transmitters of the Shia Hadith" (whoever they are ) "reject the Sahaba of Prophet" ( whatever that is )
- personally, I don't think the lot is worth a bucket of dingoes kidneys.
"...- personally, I don't think the lot is worth a bucket of dingoes kidneys."
Now there's a new one on me. Stone the flamin' crows, mate.
As for the rest of your comment, maybe you should take the time to follow the links I provided.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/053.sbt.html
Volume 4, Book 53, Number 351:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:
Allah's Apostle said, "Booty has been made legal for me."
Volume 4, Book 53, Number 344:
Narrated 'Ali:
Fatima complained of what she suffered from the hand mill and from grinding, when she got the news that some slave girls of the booty had been brought to Allah's Apostle. She went to him to ask for a maid-servant, but she could not find him, and told 'Aisha of her need. When the Prophet came, Aisha informed him of that. The Prophet came to our house when we had gone to our beds. (On seeing the Prophet) we were going to get up, but he said, 'Keep at your places,' I felt the coolness of the Prophet's feet on my chest. Then he said, "Shall I tell you a thing which is better than what you asked me for? When you go to your beds, say: 'Allahu Akbar (i.e. Allah is Greater)' for 34 times, and 'Alhamdu Lillah (i.e. all the praises are for Allah)' for 33 times, and Subhan Allah (i.e. Glorified be Allah) for 33 times. This is better for you than what you have requested."
But you do illustrate the point that the authenticity and validity of all of these are in question since the the "transmitters of the Shia Hadith" (whoever they are ) "reject the Sahaba of Prophet" ( whatever that is )
Sunni, are we?
Usually a physical handicap, and a real ratty beard.
And they all go to the same finger-pointing school!
It's as if having a handicap gives you more mojo with the masses.
I saw that! I favour Number Four as an adjective for the discussion I'm having on this thread...let's liven things up?
1. booty 641 up, 113 down 1. pirate treasure, plunder or other ill-gotten gains 2. butt, ass, specifically female posterior 3. sex, screwing 4. crap
Yep! You're on my wave-length...isn't he cute?
THE MULLAHS LIBERATE PARIS?
Interviewer: "You've been living in London for several years. Why do you live abroad?"
What an idiot! He needs to ask that question? Why do most people live in the West? FREEDOM of thought and expression.
Both severely lacking in islamic countries especially of you are a woman.
'Mullah' Omar - OBL personal fatwa-maker...remember him?
Didn't he have only one eye too? Or am I getting my mullahs mixed up?
Really surprised Fred, you used to have rational discussions where we would address each others points, but you seem to be fixated on, and repeating the same thing over and over.
Ping me if anything in this thread reaches above the level of a 2 year old being potty trained.
Those who have met Omar, say he's tall (6 foot, 6 inches) bearded, reclusive, and a lover of war stories. A fierce commander, he was wounded four times in the jihad against the Soviets, leaving him with one eye.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1010/p1s4-wosc.html
It's a rule or something.
But what do you expect? Am I wrong in my understanding that rational, intellectual, theological discussions aren't encouraged in Islam, as it's considered disrespectful to Allah?
Personally, I get loads of insight and wisdom from Biblical word studies and so on. Sad that Islam apparently can't handle such scrutiny of the text's minutiae.
"Am I wrong in my understanding that rational, intellectual, theological discussions aren't encouraged in Islam, as it's considered disrespectful to Allah? "
I don't think so ... Here's a link for some info you might find interesting - http://www.islamonline.net/English/HadithAndItsSciences/MenofHadith/2005/07/01.shtml
Once you go beyond the Koran, the amount of different works is staggering.
It appears that there are thousands of hadiths, with greater and lesser authority based on the opinion of the scholars who collect and transmit them.
The disrespect might come into play when people like myself, who have not studied it or believe in it makes statements about it.
( but I think the hadiths are not worth anything anyway, so let'em sue me )
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