Gun's holster is blamed for officer wounding himself

Chesterfield Observer ^ | May 24, 2006 | Greg Pearson

[Concho]

It appears from the sound of his name that he was probably an affirmative action hire.........

[investigateworld]

That brought back a chuckle or two!
You know he's suing too don't you?

[Concho]

An empty gun is nothing more than a finely machined, well oiled club.

[stands2reason]

He obviously can't prove he bought it at either store. Both stores should have the case thrown out for that reason, plus ask for attorney's fees.

You can't sue someone who might not be involved just because you lost your paperwork. That's stupid.

[Uri’el-2012]

An AD is just the term used to describe an ND.

Whether you call it an AD or an ND ;

There are only two reasons for it:

Ignorance

or

Carelessness

[MarkL]

i don't see it in the article, but let me make a guess. cop had a glock right? have these cops *still* not learned that its a very bad idea to carry a DA pistol with a round chambered?

There were some misdesigned holsters made for Glocks (but not by Glock, IIRC) that were recalled because their design could cause the trigger to be depressed. However, the redesigned version is perfectly safe, as long as the wearer takes appropriate care.

A Glock is no more dangerous than a DA revolver, as long as the proper care is taken.

Mark

[MarkL]

If he was carrying a 1911 45 ACP he would not have shot himself despite his stupdity. The 1911 is perfection in steel.

I disagree... If this Darwin Award finalist can accidentally shoot himself while holstering a Glock, the last thing I would want to do is give him a 1911! While IMHO, the 1911 is the finest combat handgun ever designed, it also takes A LOT of training and skill to handle one safely.

The simple fact is that it's really difficult to accidentally fire a Glock. You have to work hard to do it, by depressing the trigger. It's far easier to AD a single action semi-auto.

Mark

[MarkL]

Anybody that would remove the grip safety from a 1911 or rubber band it down is an idiot and should not have a pistol.

Actually, I know a number of people who have "pinned" them, effectively deactivating them. Typically, if they're NOT morons, they're highly trained competition shooters, who use a "high grip."

Many of the untrained shooters do it because of an incorrect grip. However, especially if a high beavertail has been installed, the high grip will not allow the grip safety to be depressed.

Because of this, a number of manufacturers, like Brown and Clark have released grip safeties designed to be used by shooters with high grips. They've got a "bump" that ensures the safety will be depressed, even if you have a high grip.

Mark

[SauronOfMordor]

"grip safeties removed or rubber banded down?" Why on Earth would anyone do that to a 1911? What reason would they have for doing it?

Because in the heat of a for-real gunfight you might not have a sufficiently-correct grip on the gun to depress the grip safety. With the result that the bad guy gets the first shot

Many people judge the thumb safety plus keeping your damn finger off the trigger is sufficient. My Glock has neither grip safety nor thumb safety

[MarkL]

There are two causes of firearms incidents, carelessness and ignorance. I think both came into play for this induhvidual.

Actually, there are at least 3, when you include hardware failure, either through misdesign (very rare), or simple failure. I know someone who had a disconnector failure on a 1911. It caused the weapon to discharge all 9 rounds in one trigger pull.

Mark

[MarkL]

Let me guess... this thread will be full of infallible people who never make mistakes and will never have anything go wrong, ever.

I've never had an AD, but then I'm perfectly aware that it could happen if I don't stay vigilant.

At a weekly pin shoot, our senior RSO (Range Safety Officer) didn't check the chamber on his Ruger Mk2, and discharged it while putting it in the case, which was a tool box. Of course, he DID follow most of the safety rules, putting it away at the firing line, with the muzzle pointed down-range. Still, it scared the crap out of us. And at our annual Pin Match, we began having a special event, the "Ken ***** (name redacted) Memorial Toolbox Shoot!"

It can happen to anyone. I was also at the CO USPSA National match many years ago, and the "winner" of the women DQ'd because neither she nor the RSO actually checked the chamber before releasing the slide and dropping the hammer (on an empty chamber) at the end of her run... She had the winning time and score, but the DQ tossed her.

Mark

[MarkL]

See my post 110

Mark

[FreedomPoster]

Thanks. Obviously, I see a big difference in the terms, and AD really annoys me.

I tend towards Glocks and Fobus Kydar paddle holsters with no straps. I don't have the retention issues to deal with, that LEO's do.

[FreedomPoster]

Now here's a case of a real AD, if the owner didn't cause it by his own inept "smithing". That would move this into the ND category, the way I look at this.

See the replied-to post.

[Disambiguator]

If the safety rules are being followed, mechanical failures should not result in injury or property damage.

1. Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
2. Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire (sights on target).
3. Always keep the firearm unloaded until ready to use.

Obviously, one or more of these rules was not adhered to.

[IGOTMINE]

How much do you train with your 1911? I fire about 500 rounds a week. I carry daily. I envision a circumstance where maybe I won't get a grip that will deactivate that safety. I had a gunsmith pin it in. Never had a problem. Never will. But then, I'm an idiot that shouldn't have a pistol.

[absalom01]

Jeff Cooper, too.

[Shooter 2.5]

What did you do to correct the horrible trigger on your High Power?

[Richard-SIA]

Took out the stupid magazine disconnect, that was a big help.
Also put in a Wolf spring kit.

[Shooter 2.5]

The magazine disconnect effects the trigger pull?
I'll order a spring kit as soon as possible. Thanks.