Posted on 06/09/2006 1:01:57 PM PDT by Babu
Evidence accumulates of a hoax in Haditha. The weblog Sweetness & Light has done an estimable service gathering together the articles which cast substantial doubt on the charge of a massacre of civilians at Haditha . Because the blog is too busy gathering and fisking the news, I offered and the publisher accepted my offer to put what he has uncovered in a narrative form.
Having done so, I can tell you that the story has a whiff of yet another mediagenic scandal like the TANG memos or the Plame “outing.” While the Marines quite correctly will not comment on the case pending the outcome of their investigation, I am not bound by those rules, and I will sum up the story for you.
(a) On November 20, 2005, Reuters reported that on the previous day an IED killed a US Marine and 15 civilians in Haditha, a town known to be a center of the insurgency, a town as hostile to our forces as the better known Fallujah was. Reuters reported that “immediately after the blast, gunmen opened fire on the convoy” and US and Iraqi forces returned fire, killing 8 insurgents and wounding another in the fight. The paper further reported that “A cameraman working for Reuters in Haditha says bodies had been left lying in the street for hours after the attack.” Reuters never named this cameraman but he was almost undoubtedly Ali al-Mashhadani.
(b) Ali al-Mashhadani had been imprisoned for five months before his report because of his ties to insurgents. He was subsequently placed under another 12 days in detention for being a security threat.
(c) Tim McGirk of Time wrote about the incident at Haditha for the March 27 issue of the magazine. He unsuccessfully lobbied his editors to use the term “massacre” in the story. McGirk seems hardly a neutral reporter. He spent the first Thanksgiving after 9/11 in Afghanistan dining with the Taliban and concluding of this celebratory meal:
Our missing colleagues finally arrive, and I leave thinking that maybe this evening wasn’t very different from the original Thanksgiving: people from two warring cultures sharing a meal together and realizing, briefly, that we’re not so different after all.
Right, Tim. We all want to enslave women, bend the world to Sharia law, behead nonbelievers and otherwise carry on the honored traditions of the Taliban.
A key source for McGirk’s report that US Marines in Haditha had deliberately attacked civilians was Thaer al-Hadithi. whom McGirk inexplicably described as “a budding journalism student”. He is a middle-aged man, and was subsequently described by the AP as an “Iraqi investigator.”
McGirk also failed to note that Hadithi is “a member and spokesman for the Hammurabi.” The chairman of Hammurabi Organization and Hadithi’s partner in publicizing the “massacre” is Abdul–Rahman al-Mashhadani. It is unknown if he is related to Ali al-Mashhadani but their names suggest a possible relationship, and it beggars belief that as Sweetness& Light notes,
“Abdel Rahman al-Mashhadani just happened to be given a video by and unnamed local. And that he then turned it over to Ali al-Mashhadani who just happens to make videos for Reuters.”
Hadithi’s story is that was staying near to one of the two houses where the massacre occurred and saw it with his own eyes. According to his version of events he waited one day to videotape what had occurred, though apparently nothing prevented his doing so from the very window he “watched” it from as it took place. More troubling is why he waited months to turn the tape over to anyone.
The actions of his partner al-Mashhadani are equally puzzling. On December 15, 2005 Mashhadani was interviewed by the Institute for War and Peace which described him as “an election monitor.” In that interview he expressed great satisfaction with the election turnout (which in fact was terribly low in Haditha). Why did he not mention to this apparently sympathetic group one word about the supposed “atrocity” which he claimed had occurred three months earlier?
Hammurabi apparently did share the video in March with the largely Soros-funded Human Rights Watch which in turn provided it to Time.
(d) The videotape. On March 21, 2006 Reuters reported that Hadithi and Mashhadani’s organization, the Hammurabi Organization, had provided the organization was a copy of a videotape showing corpses lined up in the Haditha morgue, claiming these were the bodies of civilians deliberately killed by the Marines. Aside from the suspiciously-timed release of the video and the fact that chairman al-Mashhadani had never mentioned the incident or the tape in December when he was interviewed, the video shows people removing bodies from a home, a report at odds with the Reuters report the day after the incident which spoke of bodies lying in the street.
(e) The witnesses to the “massacre”
(1) The Doctor.
In the March 27 report, McGirk quotes the local doctor:
Dr. Wahid, director of the local hospital in Haditha, who asked that his family name be withheld because, he says, he fears reprisals by U.S. troops, says the Marines brought 24 bodies to his hospital around midnight on Nov. 19. Wahid says the Marines claimed the victims had been killed by shrapnel from the roadside bomb. “But it was obvious to us that there were no organs slashed by shrapnel,” Wahid says. “The bullet wounds were very apparent. Most of the victims were shot in the chest and the head–from close range.”
Another report however, indicates the doctor bore considerable animus to the US troops.
(2)The Iraqi eye-witnesses.
In “Haditha: Reasonable Doubt,” Andrew Walden describes how a similar case against British soldiers fell apart , describing the Arabic “blood money” tradition which hardly is as exotic as it sounds. Ask the American Trial Lawyers Association.
Reports of the eyewitnesses are conflicting and incredible. Al-Haditha was the source of a report by the AP on the death of a man whom the Washington Post quoted 10 times as an eyewitness on May 27,six months after his reported death, and the young girl “survivor” has given between two and four utterly inconsistent versions of the events.
(3) The American eye witnesses.
There are two American witnesses who have spoken out. Despite the press spin, neither has a first hand account of the events.
Lance Cpl. James Crossnan is the source of some very selective quotes on the incident. He, however, was wounded in the IED explosion which killed the US Marine Martin Terrazas. He was evacuated from the scene and saw none of the after-action.
And then there is Lance Cpl. Ryan Briones. He helped evacuate Crossnan and took bodies to the morgue. He was not an eyewitness. He claims he took pictures of the bodies at the morgue and has made various statements about what happened to the pictures and his camera. Aside from the fact that he is not an eyewitness, and his claims about his photographs seem unlikely, his story remained unuttered until he was arrested for stealing a truck, driving under the influence and crashing the stolen vehicle into a house. It was then for the first time that he claimed post traumatic distress and pointed to Haditha as the source of that stress. (His report of taking the bodies to the morgue, moreover, seems inconsistent with the first Reuters report that there were 15 bodies left lying in the street the day after the incident.)
The sum and substance of this thumbnail sketch on the Haditha claims is that it follows so closely the template for the TANG and Plame stories. Take a reporter with an anti-Administration agenda, an interested group (think of the Mashhadanis as the VIPS in the Plame case or Burkett and Lucy Ramirez in the TANG case) and a story too good to be checked and circumstances where the people attacked are limited in what they can quickly respond to and you get a story which smells to me like it will soon be unraveled.
This time, I’m betting the consequences to the press which rushed to judgment will be more disastrous than it was to Dan Rather. I surely hope so.
Ping!
If it was in Time Magazine....it was at least a case of poor reporting.
Proven Hoax = Certain defeat for Murtha in November.
Wouldn't THAT be a blessing!
I don't want to get my hopes up, too much, but I sure hope this is what has gone down.
Also, our own Freeper, SBD1, is the one who found this article, November 20, 2005 Reuters Cameraman in Haditha-No Mention of Massacre, that is point A in the article and Royal Wulff sent it to Sweetness & Light.
IF this turns out to be a hoax I hope these things take place:
1....all reporters that had ANYTHING to do with this report are brought up on treason charges, and hung.....
2....all Senators, and Reps are pulled from the Senate and Congress and brought up on treason charges, and hung....(murtha that means you first)
3....ANYONE else who EVER says another bad thing against our military and Government FOR ANY REASON are brought up on treason charges and hung....
To -ell with the covering up of these idiots....this is time to get down to brass tacks....these people have done NOTHING but try to bring down our Military and Government and if this is a hoax, its time to bring it to a stop...once and for all....
Easy now on #3!
There is a small consolation in that the Left does look to get more dumb with each passing year.
And this week the process seems to accelerate a lot and to become more like with each passing day...
I'm betting on McGirk=Mapes.
You are simply being realistic. It's what my parents always said "consider the source".
Like a good FReeper, before posting this, I did a search using "Haditha", and that thread did NOT come up. I suspect the reason is that in the title of that thread, "Haditha", the colon, and the word "Is", are all run together.
I absolutely believe that important threads/info need to be reposted. Not everyone can be here all day and a lot of Freepers will miss crucial info. Reposting can be a GOOD thing. ;)
Yes, I think you are right. This is a fascinating and very important article and could be the tip of an iceberg of a huge scandal of a leftist media hoax (I am hoping).
One thing I wish the author had mentioned is how strongly McGirk pushed the "wedding pary massacre" story, which also turned out to be a complete hoax. McGirk his a real history of reporting such hoaxes, or maybe he helps create them, who knows.
I would just like to see Murtha apologise to the Marines.
That's a little harsh, don't you think?
If this story does have more sensationalism than substance, then I would just like to see apologies instead of they-reported-it-too excuses, and a sincere discussion of why reporters were so eager to believe such a story that they took our enemies' word for it.
The press corps' irresponsible coverage of this story reminds me of reporters tripping over each other to report that black New Orleaners were turning cannibal after two days on their rooftops. Cannibal. Two days. That passes the smell test.[/sarc]
No I personally don't think it harsh.....this MSM and RATS have been at President Bush and the Administration and our Miliary since day one....anything they can imagine, make-up, (Blathergate) they have and will....
How many Senators and Reps are saying now if the House turns over to the RATS they are going to bring President Bush up on Impeachment Charges??????
NO I don't think this is to harsh, its time these people pay for what they have said....
The article that SBD1 found convinced me that Haditha is a lie. That and the only "witnesses" are Iraqis with an axe to grind. On a thread that I read, a Freeper who had been in Iraq say that lying is an accepted thing and no one thinks anything of it over there. Also, it was stated that Haditha was a propaganda center in another article.
Murtha needs to apologize to the Marines, all the troops, the President, the American people!
>>The Massacre at Jennin was carried every where as fact until it was proved to be a hoax...
Yes this smells of Jenin to me as well, along with the Time cover piece trumpeting 'massacre' before the facts are known.
I think you're going a little too easy on them, don't you?
No. ha. I agree with everything you said!
the other day I heard about that the story of the palestinian father holding his son in the middle of a shootout with israeli and palestinians and then the kid dies. Well, the whole thing was staged and a hoax!
Our press always gives all the benefit of the doubt ot our enemies and its up to us to PROVE our side's innocence. then, even then it is not recognized.
Things about this story have smelled a little funny from the get go. But, unfortunately, the sources within the military establishment seem to keep making statements that more or less confirm that something bad went down. Maybe these guys are just trying to impress reporters with how "in the know" they are and with how willing they are to do a mea culpa at some Marine's expense. But it's hard to get too enthusiastic about the "frame up" stories when the military itself seems to discredit them. At this point, even if it was a frame job, it's going to be a hard to announce such a conclusion after all the statements suggesting the contrary.
That's a little harsh, don't you think?
In a time of war? Nope. We are at war and the press undermines the war effort at every turn.
You're on target. This is beginning to smell as bad as the Duke "rape" case. If there had been any real massacre, it would have been reported immediately. It wasn't precisely because there wasn't any. Instead the terrorists and their American media collaborators took several months to concoct the story and manufacture videos, just like the Rathergate fake memos.
What sources? Are they named or "anonymous sources"? Do any named "sources" have anything to do with the investigation? Just curious.
AMEN and thank you!!!!
"The sum and substance of this thumbnail sketch on the Haditha claims is that it follows so closely the template for the TANG and Plame stories. Take a reporter with an anti-Administration agenda, an interested group (think of the Mashhadanis as the VIPS in the Plame case or Burkett and Lucy Ramirez in the TANG case) and a story too good to be checked and circumstances where the people attacked are limited in what they can quickly respond to and you get a story which smells to me like it will soon be unraveled.
This time, I’m betting the consequences to the press which rushed to judgment will be more disastrous than it was to Dan Rather. I surely hope so."
You may be correct about the story of Haditha being a hoax. However, even if it is, I am still quite unsettled about the possibility of the Marines being convicted. Whatever the forces that got the Haditha story in motion, one gets the distinct sense that at least a significant element inside the Marine Corps, and perhaps the Defense Department as a whole, have decided that the best thing would be for these Marines to be sacrificed to avoid some kind of bad publicity for the United States.
I have never been in the service but one thing I have figured out---armies are based on discipline. There is absolutely no way around this but it's certainly has many down sides, and one can be a difficulty in discerning what is true. One downside is, from what I have gathered from reading a fair amount about military history, is that "once the brass decides that it's raining, you better believe it's raining, and go find some raindrops to prove it."
Admittedly, I haven't really kept track of these or committed them to memory, but my recollection is that there have been some anonymous and some named. I'd be perfectly happy to be proven wrong on that. Like I said, the basic story seems a little far fetched. I could see a Marine losing it, showing poor judgment and firing out in anger. I could even see a couple guys going off. But having a whole company go house to house executing old ladies and whatnot just strains credulity. It strains it even more when the reports say they were found kneeling in prayer with bullet holes in their heads. I don't know much about getting shot, but my guess is that if I was kneeling in prayer and got hit with an M15 round or two, I wouldn't be upright after that - I'd be sprawled out on the floor.
"This time, I’m betting the consequences to the press which rushed to judgment will be more disastrous than it was to Dan Rather. I surely hope so."
Hopefully, the right person will get a chance to sit down with George Bush in a quiet moment and explain to him that if he allows these Marines to be sacrificed in this way (even by sitting passively by as others set this up when he definitely has the power to stop it)---he will be remembered for it for a thousand years.
Dreamin' I'm always Dreamin'.
How do you suppose Karl Rove got McGirk to do all this stuff?
"One thing I wish the author had mentioned is how strongly McGirk pushed the "wedding pary massacre" story, which also turned out to be a complete hoax. McGirk his a real history of reporting such hoaxes, or maybe he helps create them, who knows."
I haven't been able to find any articles by McGirk about Mukaradeeb. I don't have access to Lexis-Nexus, so maybe I'm just missing them.
God Bless Sweetness & Light and Clarice Feldman.
I sure hope that there is 'no there, there' for the America haters in this case.
Gen. Michael W. Hagee was cautious in his statement but note the headline.
Marine Commandant 'Gravely Concerned' Over Alleged Misconduct in Iraq
I believe that Pace also made a comment but I can't find it just now.
Everything that I read that was a condemnation was "anonymous sources".
Thanks for posting this.
I tuned into Rush and got most of this on the air. If this lady is correct, it is time to shut down Time, sue this pos pseudo journalist and the news papers who published this crap without checking it.
There is a young Marine office locally who has been tried and "found guilty" in the local fish wrap and the other national MSM bs. People who grew up with this young man have started to complain to the local fishwrap.
So is this BS writer for Time one of those described in my tagline?
Okay by me.
Is this the story you refer to? http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:z5TlPMV6FtAJ:www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101020311-214071,00.html+McGirk+Iraq+wedding+party&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=13
If so does anyone remember what happened? Thanks.
Hey HEG, I wondered if you have a Haditha compilation yet... if not, could you start one? Thanks bunches!!!
Yes indeedy....a fitting punishment for how they have aided and abetted the terrorists at every turn, have sided with America's enemies and have pulled every sneaky/leaky trick in the book in their efforts to bring down a sitting President in a time of war. The word 'treason' doesn't begin to cover what these scumbag socialist SOBs really are.
I still want to know which leftist ahole(s)'s been regularly leaking our classified secrets to the pressholes, all just to make Bush's approval numbers go down and to embarass his administration. Add him to the list of 'those to be hung'.
Do we have links to that wedding party hoax? We need to compile all of the evidence for all these DemRat lame attempts and keep them in one section, for easy access. Trust me, we'll need all the ammunition we can come up with to combat these Rats in this election.
The left counts on its constituency remaining stupid and uninformed. I heard Rep. Dutch Rupersberger (D-MD) on the radio today. He had just returned from Iraq. He has a plan. Train the Iraquis. Move our troops back as they can take over security. Come home when they take over completely. He must have said MY plan about 6 times in 2 minutes. A caller asked him if it wasn't what the President has said we were already doing. I guess when it happens and we have a victory, he will claim that it was his plan and the ignorant will believe him.
He may actually think that he created this plan...if he hasn't paid any attention to what the President or Secy. Rumsfeld has been saying for more than a year.
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