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Jane Harman: Military Not Succeeding in Iraq
Newsmax.com ^ | June 11, 2006 11:14 a.m. EDT | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 06/11/2006 9:03:52 AM PDT by edpc

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To: tongue-tied
The level and kinds of violence are essentially unchanged for many months now. We need to be smarter than the terrorists. For example, with all of our assets, how is it that IEDs still make their way into Iraq? They take quite some time to emplace. How is it we can't stop that activity?

We'll see if Harman is right about Zarqawi's death not making much difference. She's certainly right to classify the sleuthing that led to his death as "police work" (Not that there's anything wrong with that, whatever it takes, right? But it's obviously not enough.) She's also right that we've focused very heavily on the leadership. That strategy has paid off.

61 posted on 06/11/2006 11:20:53 AM PDT by edsheppa
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To: edpc

Harman is a stone nut. Lots of lip service as all RATS are, but the proof is they offer no solution. They are so blind with hate and loss of power to protect their corruption that they are drowning in a pool of dung.


62 posted on 06/11/2006 11:22:55 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: edsheppa
I'm not sure how we could catch all emplacements of IEDs. I don't think there's enough of us there to be everywhere all at once. But the locals helping would sure alleviate some of that. If they'd start telling on the folks planting them, there'd be less of them killed as well.

Zarqawi's death isn't in itself such a BIG deal (although certainly a big step) but the raids that followed tell me they gleaned a lot from what they found at his place. And that IS a big deal.
63 posted on 06/11/2006 11:26:47 AM PDT by tongue-tied
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To: edpc

Jane, you hypocritical slut.

On the one hand, you poo-poo taking out Zarqawi as unimportant, "It won't reduce the insurgency".

On the other, apparently you think taking out Osama Bin Ladin is important, given your statement that "Well, the tape reminds us that four years after 9/11, Osama bin Laden is still at large, the subject of the largest manhunt in history, and we haven't been able to find him. Part of the reason is because we've been bogged down in Iraq."


64 posted on 06/11/2006 11:36:46 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I agree with you. Furthermore, increasing the consequences decreases the recruits.


65 posted on 06/11/2006 11:41:55 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: edpc
"It won't reduce the insurgency, I don't believe."

It might... but it WILL reduce the Al Qaeda effectiveness in Iraq... without a doubt.

Harman and her socialist buddies better wake up... even if we totally erradicate the insurgents in Iraq... the war with Al Qaeda, Islamo-fascism goes on. Whether this year... or five to ten years from now... these fu_kers are gonna' hit us again. The hate they have for the west, the USA and especially the Israeli's will not die for generations... their home nations BREED it.

We have them engaged now... lets keep them engaged... and KEEP THEM DYING. This will be a long war... and someday down the road... they're gonna get lucky again.

66 posted on 06/11/2006 11:42:58 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: tongue-tied
I'm not sure how we could catch all emplacements of IEDs.

You don't need to catch ALL of them, the group who lay them aren't that big. You also don't need to STOP them, detect and track them, more of that police work Harman speaks of.

With a concentrated effort I bet we do have the technical means to track, or at least records the motions of, nearly every vehicle in a major city.

67 posted on 06/11/2006 11:47:10 AM PDT by edsheppa
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To: edsheppa
Well, here's hoping that the focus of some of those raids were indeed IED planting teams.

We have superior technological advantage, but I don't think we could track every vehicle. Hell, we somehow missed a convoy of trucks heading for Syria in the beginning, right?
68 posted on 06/11/2006 11:51:53 AM PDT by tongue-tied
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To: johnny7

Calling for the head of a huge agency is a surefire indication that you offer no policy alternatives. I'll bet the LA gangs do as much mayhem everyday as we hear about in Iraq. So down with the mayor and the congresscritters!


69 posted on 06/11/2006 11:52:30 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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edsheppa said: "For example, with all of our assets, how is it that IEDs still make their way into Iraq? They take quite some time to emplace. How is it we can't stop that activity? "

The "I" in "IED" stands for "Improvised". There are, I believe, 50 million people in Iraq. I'm grateful that it is not yet possible to monitor all the movements and activities of such a population.

70 posted on 06/11/2006 12:03:35 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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edsheppa said: "With a concentrated effort I bet we do have the technical means to track, or at least records the motions of, nearly every vehicle in a major city."

You are probably right about this.

The problem would be that the video of vehicle motions is meaningless until something happens. Then the path of a vehicle is tracked backward in time to determine its origin. We get to see the source of an IED after the IED has been planted and detonated.

Prior to the implanting of the IED, the vehicle is indistinguishable from any other.

There was at least one incident of an IED team being taken out at the site of the IED, but I don't recall reading details of how they were discoverd. I think they were just observed from the air burying something along the side of a roadway.

If there is a legitimate reason to be digging around the edges of roadways in Iraq, that would be extremely hazardous work.

71 posted on 06/11/2006 12:11:36 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: tongue-tied
but I don't think we could track every vehicle

I bet we could with some effort. Litter Baghdad with cameras, most placed surreptitiously. Fly a hundreds or even thousands of recon UAVs. Computer software could largely automate the tracking. Recorded information could allow you to backtrack vehicle movements weeks or even months into the past.

72 posted on 06/11/2006 12:14:24 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: edpc

I guess Harmon thinks war is supposed to be easy?

Democrats just can't be trusted with our national security. Rumsfeld is 100 times better then any democrat.


73 posted on 06/11/2006 12:21:46 PM PDT by Bullish ( The pig headed monkeys of Islam can kiss my grits!)
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To: William Tell
The "I" in "IED" stands for "Improvised".

That is somewhat misleading nomenclature. Many of them are imported, probably most nowadays. They require quite a bit of technical ability to produce. I'd think by now we'd have been able to detect and stop or at least greatly curtail this activity.

74 posted on 06/11/2006 12:22:25 PM PDT by edsheppa
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Then the path of a vehicle is tracked backward in time to determine its origin.

And forward to its destinations. And correlated with the paths of other vehicles.

75 posted on 06/11/2006 12:25:09 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: edpc
"I don't think we're succeeding militarily," Rep. Jane Harman told "Fox News Sunday."

Let the horses think Jane, they got bigger heads

76 posted on 06/11/2006 1:39:47 PM PDT by Kaslin (Zarqawi: Rest in Pieces and may all your virgins look like Helen Thomas and Maddie Albright.)
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To: YaYa123

I heard a distinctly different Jane Harmon this morning ; figured she was running again.


77 posted on 06/11/2006 3:59:14 PM PDT by go-ken-go (i)
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To: edpc

Who is Jane Harman, and why should I give a frog's fat a$$ what she thinks?


78 posted on 06/11/2006 4:00:26 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: dfwgator

She's a ranking member of the intelligence committee. Scary thought. As to why you should care....that's up to you.


79 posted on 06/11/2006 5:46:28 PM PDT by edpc
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To: PGalt

Her mantra is get ride of Rumsfield, as if she knew the full story of how decisions have been made in this war. Even more ignorant that she, I guess that infighting between Defense on the one hand and CIA and state on the other led to Bush trying to split the difference in too many cases. Now Rice seems to be doing the same thing again with regard to Iran.


80 posted on 06/11/2006 5:51:04 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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