Being Had: Another Look at the Death of Terri Schiavo

Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 6/14/2006 | Chuck Colson

[WFTR]

Damaged, not dead. In fact, the autopsy report referred to her receiving morphine, which would not have been necessary if she were brain-dead or in a persistent vegetative state. The report, while it noted “severe brain damage,” said nothing about Terri being in a persistent vegetative state.

Did the autopsy report say that she needed morphine for pain management or only that she was receiving morphine? Maybe medical science still can't draw a conclusion either way on that question. In that case, erring on the side of pain relief is reasonable even if doctors don't know whether the patient an feel pain. However, if that's the case, the prescence of morphine is not an indicator of brain function.

Bill

[chae]

I work with the Developmentally Disabled community. One of my clients, a 25 year old named Darrin, walks around. He doesn't talk, but he likes to grab your hands and make them clap. When he's happy, he makes happy, cooing sounds. He likes the color red. He also has to wear adult diapers, and he drools constantly. He can't wash himself, and he can't feed himself. He has a PEG tube and all of his meals have to be blended until they are the consistency of applesauce, at which point the direct care staff at his group home has to feed him, because he can't do it himself.
He is no brain-dead, but he is brain damaged. As I see it, the main difference between him and Terri is that he doesn't have a judge hell-bent on killing him.

[Mr. Silverback]

In that case, erring on the side of pain relief is reasonable even if doctors don't know whether the patient an feel pain.

OK, hold on a minute. A hospice and thewoman's husband spend the better part of a decade "proving" to a court of law that there's nobody home, but they have to err on the side of caution when it comes to pain? Sorry, not buying it.

Never mind the ludicrous idea the Felos crowd was putting out that she would not feel any pain while being denied water, food and comfort measures.

[Mr. Silverback]

Are you really this confused?

Deal with it, baby. If christians have to deal with the Crusades and Torqmada, you guys get to pick up the check for this stuff. Name me a "bioethicist" who wants to kill the useless eaters and isn't a committed evolutionist.

[Mr. Silverback]

YOU sound precisely like the BASH Bush press. But it's what I've observed about many of your posts.

Please see post 28, anfd then you knock it off. MHG is not one of the reflexive bushbashing dipsticks polluting this site of late, and should not be treated as one. He is a fine example of a freeper.

[A Citizen Reporter]

"bushbashing dipsticks"

Sorry, read MHG again. He is precisely that. I can agree with the position on the issue, but he lays the blame at the wrong place.

MHG reminds me of the pedestrian who walks in front of my car, and then want to sue me for hitting him.

[Mr. Silverback]

Posting one criticism (even if it is a rather harsh one) against Jeb Bush does not make on ethe same as the legions of rabid bush haters who act like DUers. I stand by my statement. Go to bed.

[A Citizen Reporter]

It does if it stacks up against other statements. This was a thread about Terri. MHG hijacked it to Bush bashing. This is a trend. It's ugly, and I will put you in the column of people who defend it.

Thanks for your comments, and I will "go to bed", when I choose to.

[Mr. Silverback]

This is a trend. It's ugly, and I will put you in the column of people who defend it.

That's like putting Ann Coulter in the Jersey Girls fan club. I've been going after Bushbashers with a knife in my teeth for years now. I defended MHG, not Bushbasing, because his comments about Jeb were the exception, not the rule.

Thanks for your comments, and I will "go to bed", when I choose to.

I hope your sense of humor returns after a good night's sleep.

[TigersEye]

bump to the truth

[nw_arizona_granny]

Ping

[T'wit]

>> What I always found most appalling about her death, was that there was never an adequate investigation into exactly what happened the night of her alleged collapse

In a manner of speaking, the investigation is ongoing -- here, in Free Republic. So, keep your interest in the case, and help keep the pressure on all concerned. There are a lot of people with blood on their hands in this case. If even one person "breaks" on some key point, it could have a sensational effect on the others.

You are right to say "alleged" collapse. That very word, "collapse," is Michael's only cover now. He has no alibi, but the MSM keep talking about her "collapse" -- a term that makes him seem innocent. He isn't innocent.

[samtheman]

Her parents were willing to care for her themselves and pay for that care themselves. Only the most heartless of b@st@rds would have refused them that wish.

However:

[backhoe]

Does anyone have a list of links for articles written at that time?

-Useless Eaters vs The Death Cult--
various FR links & stories | 03-29-05 | the heavy equipment guy

[Guenevere]

I don't know how you can have that poem on your home page....and yet talk to your fellow Freepers as you do.

...kisss some big behinds....Really.

I'm was in the heart of this during Terri's prolonged death, with tears and prayers....

..but to blame Bush is just wrong.

Can you imagine a Lawton Chiles, or Bob Graham doing half what Jeb did?????

I'm a long time FLoridian.....We've seen our governors come and go....

***and oh, don't forget about her illustrious (sarcasm~)..Senator Nelson who never met an abortion he didn't like..***

.We appreciate our Jeb!

[Guenevere]

Where do you get off telling other Freepers to knock it off or go to bed....

..Only moderators or Jim have that authority.

Just because you started this thread doesn't mean you can direct everyone's thinking.

I too disagreed with the other poster about his attitude and words on Jeb.

Are you really a Chuck Colson fan?....or did you just spend a night in a Holiday Inn?

Chuck Colson would never belittle & put down as you just did.

[Just mythoughts]

bttt.... sadly there was little distinction among the vast leftists and the middle leave my health care alone moderates.

[socialismisinsidious]

They were probably giving her morphine to calm her down from all that euphoria that she was feeling. /s

Seriously, if she were 'brain dead' then why all the talk of enlightened euphoria that she was going to feel from dehydration/starvation? Nothing but massive rationalization in order to make themselves feel better.

I actually had a Liberal Loon tell me that Terri was given morphine to "keep the right wing happy".....very dangerous people.

[socialismisinsidious]

That is inconsequential.

What's next: IQ test in order to decide who should be allowed to live? If you test high enough then you are allowed to become a member of society? How smart/how much active brain matter is needed before we won't kill (or if you like PC..before we won't allow one to die via starvation/dehydration)?

Ever heard of Peter Singer? He is the chair of the ethics department at Princeton...he spouts a lot of very dangerous dung including the right of a parent to kill their baby up to one year b/c after all, said baby isn't fully intellectually developed up to that point.

[samtheman]

Her parents should have been allowed to take over her care. They were willing and able. To deny them that was wrong.

However, the girl was dead. In the most meaningful medical, clinical and spiritual sense. The girl was dead. No brain function. The rest is fingernails growing on a corpse.