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Marine addresses disrespect to Nat'l Anthem at Baseball game
www.kinstonindians.com ^ | June 12, 2006-presen | various

Posted on 06/17/2006 7:32:20 AM PDT by Millicent_Hornswaggle

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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle

I hope you don't mind if I state my take on this.

I noticed a long time ago that lack of respect had set in at public events like football and baseball. People don't sing the anthem, many don't even know the words anymore.

I noticed also that respect for taking care of the flag had gone the same way.

So had respect for our country, for religion, for the military, and for other people in general.

I was never in the military, but I was in Scouting, and became an Eagle Scout (boy, that was a long time ago).

So, I am putting forth these remarks as I believe it fits the military as well as Scouting.

When in uniform, we saluted during the Pledge of Allegiance.
Same for the National Anthem. Hats stayed on. (I guess because it was part of the uniform)

When in civilian clothes, for the Pledge and the Anthem, hats off, hand over heart, or salute.

We were PROUD to give the salute, as it indicated we were more than civilians, just like the military.

As I got older, I just took any hat off, and put my hand over my heart. Traditions like this were made fun of by those who thought it was 'cool' to make fun of them.

Truth is, they were actually jealous. But none of them would ever admit that. I don't even think they realize that is why they do it.

That is why kids in school make fun of other kids. We don't figure that out until too late.

Here is the bottom line, and one that every person should think of when deciding how to handle this.

No one ever forced me, or told me I would be punished if I did not do these things.
I did them because I was proud of Scouting, proud of my country, and proud of myself.


When I go to an event and I see people not showing respect for the anthem or pledge or flag, It tells me they have no respect for their country, nor themselves.

So, do what you like, there is no law for or against it.

But this is the real meaning of the adage, "Pride goeth before a fall".


21 posted on 06/17/2006 8:55:41 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle

In the years after WWII if anyone did not respect the flag during the national anthem there were multitudes of vets that would see that anyone chewing gum, talking or walking WOULD respect the flag. It is sad to see so many people fail to respect the flag. It is still a small number, but it illustrates just how many persons aren't proud of their flag and country.


22 posted on 06/17/2006 9:16:16 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

It's also not "HAND the rocket's red glare..." although that may just be almost required of a singer to be able to really belt out that part.


23 posted on 06/17/2006 9:51:15 AM PDT by cyclotic (Support MS research-Sponsor my Ride-https://www.nationalmssociety.org//MIG/personal/default.asp?pa=4)
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To: toddlintown

Sometimes you can hear the track announcer at NASCAR races say "ladies and gentlemen, please stand and remove your hats for the invocation and National anthem."

Guess you gotta train 'em.


24 posted on 06/17/2006 9:54:10 AM PDT by cyclotic (Support MS research-Sponsor my Ride-https://www.nationalmssociety.org//MIG/personal/default.asp?pa=4)
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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle

Long read...

Lost me here: "Never served?"

Not productive to any argument...


25 posted on 06/17/2006 9:57:33 AM PDT by dakine
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To: muawiyah

lets see...playing a game of baseball with the potential to make 1, 2, 3, 4 or more million dollars and get treated very very well...or work 8-5p and wonder if your boss will be a prick today...hmmm..which do you choose?


26 posted on 06/17/2006 10:33:01 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle

bump , A little long but worth the read !


27 posted on 06/17/2006 10:33:58 AM PDT by righthand man (WE'RE SOUTHERN AND PROUD OF IT)
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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle
By this time in the posts I half expected to hear from the many freepers who believe it is perfectly acceptable and a 1st Amendment right to disrespect Old Glory by publicly burning it and letting it fall to the ground.
28 posted on 06/17/2006 10:37:09 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions)
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To: Conan the Librarian
but, there isn't a requirement (except for personal reasons) for hand over the heart when singing the Anthem.

§171. Conduct during playing

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

29 posted on 06/17/2006 10:39:28 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: conservativehusker

As of a recent change, it is proper to (in and out of uniform) place ones right hand over ones heart. Top C


30 posted on 06/17/2006 10:41:33 AM PDT by TheGunny (Re-read 1&2 Corinthians)
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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle

Ex Marines should place his hand where ever anyone tells him to. Former Marines are recognisable during the Anthem by their correct position at attention.

When the Flag passes or is being pledged, the hand is over the heart.

When uniformed Marines enter a building, they remove their covers and do not salute or return salutes. USMC HQ types are trying to PC please their way to the top, Murtha style.

Semper Fi


31 posted on 06/17/2006 10:55:10 AM PDT by Phosgood (Kerry was a Shill for Hillery)
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To: Jacquerie

It's not?


32 posted on 06/17/2006 10:55:25 AM PDT by dakine
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To: muawiyah
Is it? This guy's a baseball player ~ ever wonder why he's still playing games instead of working an adult job?

I suspect it is something similar to the reason you make comments like this.

33 posted on 06/17/2006 11:05:13 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (if you're human, act like it.)
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To: cyclotic; toddlintown
I don't think ladies are required to remove their cover for the anthem. They certainly don't in church, and some older people think no woman should go to church with her head uncovered.

But they should certainly stand respectfully.

-ccm

34 posted on 06/17/2006 11:07:03 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: dakine
Dakine.....I do on occasion hear and use this phrase. What it means, (not that you are less than if youve never served) is that we in the service, Marines in particular, have a perspective and experience that the man or woman that hasnt served cant know or understand. When I use it, I absolutely do not mean to impugn or cast disgrace the reputations or integrity upon those who have not served, it just means that "You havent walked in my shoes".
35 posted on 06/17/2006 11:47:03 AM PDT by TheGunny (Re-read 1&2 Corinthians)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Well there it is...the USCode does suggest that we put our hands over our heart. Odd as it may be, there it is.

It does seem to me that Congress could spend better time fighting illegal immigration or the WOT than dictating how we show respect for the National Anthem.

But then again....I am just a civilian.


36 posted on 06/17/2006 12:36:56 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: cowboyway

Not a game.


37 posted on 06/17/2006 12:40:58 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
In the years after WWII the American people allowed reprobates and hornswagglers to be appointed to the Supreme Court where they ruled that the flag could not be protected.

No one did anything about the Justices who did that either.

38 posted on 06/17/2006 12:42:52 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: ma bell

You and I can do the math, but I doubt the ballplayers can.


39 posted on 06/17/2006 12:45:23 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Always a wiseguy around in a serious discussion of why a ballplayer might well exhibit signs of mental insufficiency.

Sorry if you took what I said as an insult but I'd do it again in a sec if I knew you were on the other end of the comment.

40 posted on 06/17/2006 12:47:56 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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