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Trying to Get Even - Democrats keep betting on failure in Iraq.
Wall Street Journal ^ | June 19, 2006 | JOHN FUND

Posted on 06/19/2006 2:51:21 PM PDT by neverdem

JOHN FUND ON THE TRAIL

During last week's congressional debate over the war in Iraq, critics of the Bush administration's policy made three arguments: that President Bush more or less lied when claiming Saddam Hussein was a threat to the U.S., there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and that no progress is being made in the war there. All three assumptions rest on shaky ground, so it is remarkable how much critics have seized on them with such fervor and certainty--the very vices of which they accuse the war's supporters. Indeed, one wonders how Democrats would react if real evidence of weapons of mass destruction, say the discovery of chemical weapon shells, surfaced. Would they step back and re-evaluate their assumptions, or would they accuse the Bush administration of planting the evidence as part of a Karl Rove-inspired pre-election dirty trick? Far from politics ending at the water's edge, today's partisan battles seem to take on added ferocity when they concern foreign policy.

Let's examine the three assumptions critics of Mr. Bush's Iraq policy make:

Bush lied about Saddam being a threat. Both the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee and the independent Silberman-Robb Commission found not one case in which Bush officials, quoting the Senate committee, "attempted to coerce, influence or pressure analysts to change their judgments related to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities." Recall that both the French and German intelligence agencies also believed Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

Just two months before the war, the Los Angeles Times reported that chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix "disclosed troubling new details about Iraq's weapons programs and expressed frustration with what he described as Baghdad's refusal to resolve long-standing questions about efforts to produce biological and chemical weapons, as well as long-range missiles." Mr. Blix later...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; bushlied; democrats; iraq; johnfund; lostdems
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1 posted on 06/19/2006 2:51:24 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

bump for later


2 posted on 06/19/2006 2:56:52 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (The Rat Party's goal is to END the conflict, not WIN the conflict...should be the other way around.)
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To: neverdem

Good article...thanks for posting.


3 posted on 06/19/2006 2:57:19 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Bahbah; Mo1; Peach

This pretty much spells out the idiocy of the dems...

BUT, unfortunately, was written before today's idiocy re: the new bills the dems are planning to introduce this week.


4 posted on 06/19/2006 2:58:25 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: neverdem

I don't understand people like Fund. They engage in theoretical discussions about whether Hussein was a threat and then completely ignore the fact that Hussein was routinely firing missiles at our pilots in the leadup to the war. Shouldn't Hussein's firing of literally thousands of missiles at our pilots end the discussion as to whether he was a threat to us?


5 posted on 06/19/2006 3:06:14 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: neverdem

Betting on failure....now there's a way to win the hearts and minds of the American public.


6 posted on 06/19/2006 3:10:34 PM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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To: Txsleuth
the new bills the dems are planning to introduce this week.

Levin's is bad, Kerry's will be worse. But we all knew, didn't we, that they would ramp up their defeatist efforts when the progress in Iraq became so undeniably clear.

7 posted on 06/19/2006 3:11:39 PM PDT by Bahbah (Democrat Motto: Why not the worst)
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To: neverdem

Is it just me or do Dems. want the US to lose in Iraq more than Al Qaeda does??


8 posted on 06/19/2006 3:13:00 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House)
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To: vbmoneyspender

I don't comment on specifics of the no fly zones for security reasons, but I was there and you are right.


9 posted on 06/19/2006 3:15:40 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: MikeA

"0Is it just me or do Dems. want the US to lose in Iraq more than Al Qaeda does??"

Both groups want us to lose for political reasons.


10 posted on 06/19/2006 3:16:23 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: neverdem
Indeed, one wonders how Democrats would react if real evidence of weapons of mass destruction, say the discovery of chemical weapon shells, surfaced.

There were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.

From Fox News July, 2004

"We were mortified by the information that terrorists were looking for these warheads and offered $5,000 apiece," Dukaczewski said. "An attack with such weapons would be hard to imagine. All of our activity was accelerated at appropriating these warheads."

Dukaczewski refused to give any further details about the terrorists or the sellers of the munitions, saying only that his troops thwarted terrorists by purchasing the 17 rockets for a Soviet-era launcher and two mortar rounds containing the nerve agent [Sarin] for an undisclosed sum June 23.

WMDs were found, so the goal post was moved to say no stockpiles were found. I am still waiting for a response to the first italicized excerpt.

11 posted on 06/19/2006 3:17:18 PM PDT by edpc
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To: MikeA

I think you are right. It is impossible to justify why they are doing this. Either someone thinks it is a winning stategy or they are so committed to the anti-war faction of the party that they will come home on their shields ("There, we died for ya.").


It has often been said that orientals, arabs (fill in the blank) "don't think like us". I'm beginning to believe that red staters and blue staters are two separate species!


12 posted on 06/19/2006 3:19:14 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: neverdem

Just remember, the ThugoRat moron traitors are never wrong. They will spin reality into a Star Wars episode. They are sick with negativism, hate, defeatism, and the fact they are so screwed up, they cannot get back into power. Let them keep showing their hate and traitorous behavior against America -- they will pay big in the upcoming elections as polls are already showing...


13 posted on 06/19/2006 3:19:52 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Txsleuth
Would they step back and re-evaluate their assumptions, or would they accuse the Bush administration of planting the evidence as part of a Karl Rove-inspired pre-election dirty trick?

They would accuse Bush/Rove of planting it

The dems ALWAYS over reach

14 posted on 06/19/2006 3:29:58 PM PDT by Mo1 (Democrats Plan - Cut and Run so the terrorists can win the WOT)
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To: neverdem

Well it was very apparent that the Kurds just fell down and died for no apparant reason, other than to further humiliate Saddam, The Hustler, Hussein. Or maybe they inflicted the chemicals on themselves and got a Kodak to remember the moment. (heavy sarcasm)


15 posted on 06/19/2006 3:34:34 PM PDT by WellsFargo94 (graduation = freedom from liberal hell)
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To: shalom aleichem
It has often been said that orientals, arabs (fill in the blank) "don't think like us". I'm beginning to believe that red staters and blue staters are two separate species!

I agree! I think I relate to Arabs more than I relate to blue staters frankly! At least Arabs agree with me that when you fight a war you fight it to the finish and you fight it to win (even though Arabs rarely win wars.) Democrats don't seem to understand that notion.

16 posted on 06/19/2006 3:40:47 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House)
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To: MikeA
Is it just me or do Dems. want the US to lose in Iraq more than Al Qaeda does??

No it's not just you

Only the Dems would want to pull out when we are winning the war

My question is .. why do they hate America so much that they would allow our country to be brought down to our knees by the Terrorists

If we pulled out of this War .. No Country and I repeat .. No Country would ever take us seriously again

17 posted on 06/19/2006 3:47:46 PM PDT by Mo1 (Democrats Plan - Cut and Run so the terrorists can win the WOT)
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To: neverdem
Bush and Rove are betting big (all in) on Iraq and national security for Nov. The Dems are insane enough to think they could somehow claim this as their theme. What a huge sucker job.
18 posted on 06/19/2006 3:52:34 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: neverdem
critics of the Bush administration's policy made three arguments: that President Bush more or less lied when claiming Saddam Hussein was a threat to the U.S., there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and that no progress is being made in the war there. All three assumptions rest on shaky ground, so it is remarkable how much critics have seized on them with such fervor and certainty...

Bring it on Dems, choose your weapons, just like 2004. We have O so much ammo.

19 posted on 06/19/2006 3:58:43 PM PDT by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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To: Mo1

No Country would ever take us seriously again.

The Democrats think that defeat in Iraq will reflect only on the Republicans.

20 posted on 06/19/2006 4:16:11 PM PDT by RedRover (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Fire Murtha! http://www.irey.com/)
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