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The Dirty Dozen (True RINOs), and the last respectable Democrats (sadly, DINOs is an apt name)
American Conservative Union, Dangus' analysis ^ | 6/19/06 | Dangus / ACU

Posted on 06/19/2006 4:40:37 PM PDT by dangus

The following is a list of Republicans that the party would truly be better off without. They are listed from liberal to moderate. Their rankings are largely based on recent American Conservative Union scores, slightly modified to reduce the effect of outlying data and to recognize regional voters' demands.

The Dirty Dozen:

CT Christopher Shays
IA James Leach
NY Sherwood Boehlert
CO Scott McInnis
VA Tom Davis
IL Mark Kirk
CT Nancy Johnson
MD Wayne Gilchrest
CT Robert Simmons
MI Carol Schwarz
NH Charles Bass
NH Bradley

The "Good" Democrats:

MS Gene Taylor
OK Daniel Boren
TN Linc Davis
LA Charlie Melancon
MN Collin Peterson
AR Marion Berry
AR Mike Ross
TX Henry Cuellar
TN John Tanner
NC Mike McIntyre
GA Jim Marshall
GA Sanford Bishop

Three Republicans are worse than Democrats: Christopher Shays voted conservative only 20% of the time; Jim Leach, from solid red territory, voted conservative only 33% of the time. Tom Davis voted conservative more often, but was also from a Republican stronghold. Amazingly, Bush broke arms to make this liberal in charge of passing out campaign money in his first term.

Henry Cuellar is particularly heroic; The National Democratic Party actually opposed him, yet he stayed moderate-to-conservative. A few other black Democrats just missed the cutoff, largely from Dixie.

Contrary to stereotype, 3 of the 12 most moderate or conservative Democrats are minorities, Marshall, Bishop, and Cuellar.

Pennsylvania had none of the most moderate/conservative Democrats, but the Democratic Party of Pennsylvania is actually quite moderate. Even Joe Murtha voted conservative 40% of the time.


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1 posted on 06/19/2006 4:40:39 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

I am starting to agree with test pilot Chuck Yeager's father's opinion regarding Democrats. When Yeager was invited to the White House to receive an award from President Truman for breaking the sound barrier, Chuck's father refused to shake hands with Truman.
Yeager said that in his father's opinion, "The first good Democrat had yet to be born."


2 posted on 06/19/2006 4:45:25 PM PDT by PhillyRepublican
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To: dangus

jim leach is very knowledgeable on banking issues and for that reason is a huge asset to the nation, rino or not.

If memory is correct, he was one of the first to start yelling about the s and l crises.


3 posted on 06/19/2006 4:49:04 PM PDT by staytrue (Moonbat conservatives-those who would rather have the democrats win.)
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To: dangus

The good news: Sherwood Boehlert, who I was surprised has taken to going by a woman's name (Sherry) since I left the state, is retiring. McInnis is already gone (I'm not sure why the ACU listed him as current). The Connecticut traitors are in deep doo-doo, but this isn't truly good news: the Democrats will be certain to be radical leftists.

MISTAKE: It's JOE Schwarz from MI. I was thinking of an Ohio person when I read Schwartz.


4 posted on 06/19/2006 4:50:43 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
I honestly think that the only reason these people ran as Republicans was so that they could beat their opponents by putting an "R" after their name.

The fact that Cueller was opposed by his party says a lot about what the DNC thinks about black members who refuse to "Know their place."

5 posted on 06/19/2006 4:51:54 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: staytrue

>> jim leach is very knowledgeable on banking issues and for that reason is a huge asset to the nation, rino or not. <<

So, he's not only a liberal, he's an EFFECTIVE liberal... even worse.

>> he was one of the first to start yelling about the s and l crises. <<

Yes, but if I recall, he was also covering his butt... the first Big S+L collapse was in his district.


6 posted on 06/19/2006 4:52:11 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
Whew! I'm glad my rep at least made the good democrat list - Dan Boren from Oklahoma. He is the only Dem from Oklahoma the rest of the Reps and Senators are Republican. Oh well, can't always be perfect.

Funny thing is he has made some of the locals around here mad because he votes along with the Republicans just a little too often. Of course the fact the idea he is voting on may be good is beside the point. They would rather him vote against a good idea then vote with Republicans. Idiots!

7 posted on 06/19/2006 4:52:42 PM PDT by alvindsv
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

>> The fact that Cueller was opposed by his party says a lot about what the DNC thinks about black members who refuse to "Know their place." <<

Well, Cuellar is Hispanic, but your point is made. Remember Denise Majeris (IIRC), the black moderate who was kicked out of office so Cynthia McKinney (sp?) could run? NYC even had some decent minority representatives, long, long ago.


8 posted on 06/19/2006 4:54:13 PM PDT by dangus
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

... but now most of the Northeastern blacks obey their massas and don't step out of line...


9 posted on 06/19/2006 4:55:52 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
fwiw.. Mitt is no longer listed in the gUb section on the current page of the Main Street Republicans members list.



 


Republican Main Street Partnership
Congressional Members
109th  Congress

Sen. Lincoln Chafee, Rhode Island
Sen. Norm Coleman, Minnesota
Sen. Susan Collins, Maine
Sen. Johnny Isakson, Georgia
Sen. John McCain, Arizona
Sen. Gordon Smith, Oregon
Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine
Sen. Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania

Rep. Charles Bass, New Hampshire
Rep. Judy Biggert, Illinois
Rep. Sherwood Boehlert, New York
Rep. Mary Bono, California
Rep. Jeb Bradley, New Hampshire
Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, Florida
Rep. Ken Calvert, California
Rep. Dave Camp, Michigan
Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia
Rep. Michael Castle, Delaware
Rep. Thomas Davis, III, Virginia
Rep. Charlie Dent, Pennsylvania
Rep. David Dreier, California
Rep. Vernon Ehlers, Michigan
Rep. Mark Foley, Florida
Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, New Jersey
Rep. Jim Gerlach, Pennsylvania
Rep. Wayne Gilchrest, Maryland
Rep. Paul Gillmor, Ohio
Rep. Kay Granger, Texas
Rep. David Hobson, Ohio
Rep. Nancy Johnson, Connecticut
Rep. Timothy Johnson, Illinois
Rep. Sue Kelly, New York

Rep. John R. Kuhl, New York
Rep. Mark Kirk, Illinois
Rep. Jim Kolbe, Arizona
Rep. Ray LaHood, Illinois
Rep. Steven LaTourette, Ohio
Rep. Jim Leach, Iowa
Rep. Jerry Lewis, California
Rep. Frank LoBiondo, New Jersey
Rep. Jim McCrery, Louisiana
Rep. Thomas Petri, Wisconsin
Rep. Todd Platts, Pennsylvania
Rep. Jon Porter, Nevada
Rep. Deborah Pryce, Ohio
Rep. Jim Ramstad, Minnesota
Rep. Ralph Regula, Ohio
Rep. Joe Schwarz, Michigan
Rep. Christopher Shays, Connecticut
Rep. Robert Simmons, Connecticut
Rep. Michael Turner, Ohio
Rep. Fred Upton, Michigan
Rep. Greg Walden, Oregon
Rep. James Walsh, New York
Rep. Curt Weldon, Pennsylvania
Rep. Jerry Weller, Illinois
Rep. Heather Wilson, New Mexico

 

Gov. Robert Ehrlich, Maryland
Gov. Linda Lingle, Hawaii
Gov. George Pataki, New York
Gov. Mitt Romney, Massachusetts
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, California



10 posted on 06/19/2006 4:56:17 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Wanna help kick some liberal arse? It's not just a job here at FR, IT's an obsession.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I don't get it. What's so "Main Street" about being pro-homo?


11 posted on 06/19/2006 4:58:07 PM PDT by dangus
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To: NormsRevenge

FWIW, several of the Main Street Republicans *vote* pretty well: Virginia Brown-Waite, Todd Platts, Debbie Pryce, Curt Weldon,...

But the list does include most of the Mexicophiles, homophiles, and RINOs.


12 posted on 06/19/2006 5:01:15 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
Yes, but if I recall, he was also covering his butt... the first Big S+L collapse was in his district.

What S&L was that??

13 posted on 06/19/2006 5:12:22 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: dangus

Am I missing something? McInnis from CO not only was a solid conservative (to the best of my knowledge), but he left Congress in 2004. His successor is a Dem, so maybe they're counting his votes against McInnis. This could be some shoddy work by the ACU.


14 posted on 06/19/2006 5:21:38 PM PDT by CSM43 (John Murtha: Traitor)
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To: iowamark

I don't know... Maybe I shouldn't have said something like that just from a vague recollection. I meant it honestly, but I shouldn't say anything which could be taken as an accusation, unless I'm more sure of what I'm saying. Sometimes I forget myself and respond as if these were personal conversations, and not part of what becomes a public record.


15 posted on 06/19/2006 5:24:38 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

What were your criteria? I have a few comments:

"The Dirty Dozen:

"CT Christopher Shays"



As much as I hate Shays, his record isn't *that* bad for someone for a district that gave Bush 43% in 2000 and 46% in 2004.

"CO Scott McInnis"


He's been out of office for a couple of years now, and he was actually quite conservative.

"MI Carol Schwarz"


It's Joe Schwarz, first elected in 2004; hopefully this will be remedied this year when Tim Walberg beats him in the MI-07 primary.

"NH Bradley"


Jeb Bradley had a very liberal reputation in the state legislature, but his voting record hasn't been as terrible as I feared.


"The "Good" Democrats:

MS Gene Taylor
OK Daniel Boren
TN Linc Davis
LA Charlie Melancon
MN Collin Peterson
AR Marion Berry
AR Mike Ross
TX Henry Cuellar
TN John Tanner
NC Mike McIntyre
GA Jim Marshall
GA Sanford Bishop"


Tanner, Ross, Marshall and Bishop aren't quite as conservative of the others, but I wouldn't mind if all 12 of them switched to the GOP. I would have ranked a couple Tim Holden of PA and maybe Bud Cramer of AL higher than them, but I guess you ranked them lower because they represent conservative districts. BTW, all 12 of your guys represent districts carried by Bush in 2004, so they could pull off a party switch. My favorites there are McIntyre (who's consistently conservative in a district where he could afford not to be), Cuellar (the only Democrat to whom I have ever donated money) and Bishop (who is a black Democrat from a 45% black district carried by Bush and who, if he tweaked his voting a bit, would make a fine conservative Republican).

"Three Republicans are worse than Democrats: Christopher Shays voted conservative only 20% of the time; Jim Leach, from solid red territory, voted conservative only 33% of the time. Tom Davis voted conservative more often, but was also from a Republican stronghold."


None of these guys are as liberal as 95% of Democrats in Congress, although I would support primary opponents for all three. Jim Leach's district is by no means "solid red"; it only gave President Bush 44% in 2004, the lowest Bush vote for any district held by a Republican.

"Henry Cuellar is particularly heroic; The National Democratic Party actually opposed him, yet he stayed moderate-to-conservative."


Amen.


"A few other black Democrats just missed the cutoff, largely from Dixie."


I think your formula must be flawed. Other than Sanford Bishop, all black Democrats have liberal voting records. Some, such as Ford of TN, Davis of AL and Jefferson of LA cast some conservative votes, but they are nowhere near the level of a "good Democrat"; I guess the fact that they represent districts in which Bush got below 35% made them do well in your formula.

"Contrary to stereotype, 3 of the 12 most moderate or conservative Democrats are minorities, Marshall, Bishop, and Cuellar."


Marshall is a non-Hispanic white, but yes, Bishop is black and Cuellar is Hispanic.


"Pennsylvania had none of the most moderate/conservative Democrats, but the Democratic Party of Pennsylvania is actually quite moderate. Even Joe Murtha voted conservative 40% of the time."


4 of Pennsylvania's 7 Democrat Congressmen are pro-life: Holden, Murtha, Doyle and Kanjorski. Murtha used to have a more conservative voting record, but not anymore, which is part of the reason why I think that Diana Irey has a chance of beating him this November.


16 posted on 06/19/2006 5:25:51 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: dangus

Oh, and it's *Jack* Murtha (not Joe).


17 posted on 06/19/2006 5:26:47 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: PhillyRepublican
I think I was 9 or 10 before I realized that God###ed Democrat" was not a single word:-) But then Barry Goldwater was the only person in the last 100 years worthy of being President (maybe Robert Taft, and I like Reagan, just never forgave him for gun control in CA)
18 posted on 06/19/2006 5:30:25 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA.)
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To: dangus
Jim Leach, from solid red territory

Huh?

Iowa went for Bush in 2004 by a mere 10K votes, after going for Gore, Clinton twice, and Dukakis!

19 posted on 06/19/2006 5:37:26 PM PDT by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: dangus; Peach
Your list is incomplete.

No mention of McLame and his fav buttboy Pandsey "One Termer" Graham.

20 posted on 06/19/2006 6:27:34 PM PDT by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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To: dangus
"The "Good" Democrats:


MS Gene Taylor
OK Daniel Boren
TN Linc Davis
LA Charlie Melancon
MN Collin Peterson
AR Marion Berry
AR Mike Ross
TX Henry Cuellar
TN John Tanner
NC Mike McIntyre
GA Jim Marshall
GA Sanford Bish"

Gene Taylor talks the talk, but he is an avowed socialist. He believes in HIGH TAXES, and a 70% Death Tax. I have heard him (in a local radio interview/debate with a pubbie named Muths), where he stated that he was for redistribution of wealth through the death tax and higher income taxes.

He stated that unfortunate "left behind" citizens (such as poor seniors and minorities) would never have any way to accrue any wealth without "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

He may be a "good man", but he is NO Good Guy "dim"... and BTW, there are less than four of those rare animals in existence today.

LLS
21 posted on 06/19/2006 6:40:51 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: dangus

you can scratch Sherwood Boehlert off the DD list since he is retiring . and not seeking reelection.


22 posted on 06/19/2006 7:21:44 PM PDT by SirTaurus (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country!)
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To: dangus

Ah yes, 3 RINOs Reps from my beloved home state of Connecticut. Shays, I get, his district is full of Gold Coast limo libs. Also Simmons, his district was represented by Sam Gedjenson, a typical Reagan-hater from the 1980s, so I can see him being a RINO.

Nancy Johnson I don't get. She's been in office for years, she represents some of the few Republican areas in CT (NW quadrant, with the exception of New Britain and Waterbury). Her credentials are well known, and she's been a conservative (at least fiscally) in the past.

Maybe the redistricting after CT lost a seat changed things, but CT having more Republicans than Democrats in the house is truly "in name only".


23 posted on 06/19/2006 7:31:41 PM PDT by JacksonCalhoun
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To: PhillyRepublican

Yeager would especially be disappointed in today's RATS. They're the bottom of the barrel.


24 posted on 06/19/2006 7:34:45 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: dangus

He's going by the name of a beverage. Choosing "bourbon" or "cocktail" would be less confusing.


25 posted on 06/19/2006 7:56:03 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: dangus

the first big sl collapse was in Ohio and linked to a democrat contributor and democrat gov. dick celeste.


26 posted on 06/19/2006 7:57:12 PM PDT by staytrue (Moonbat conservatives-those who would rather have the democrats win.)
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To: GSlob

If he's going to go by the name of an alcholic beverage, it should be a beer. Like Rep. Miller, Sen. candidate Coors, Rep. Bud Schuster, Rep. Schaeffer, etc.


27 posted on 06/19/2006 10:05:32 PM PDT by dangus
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To: SirTaurus

Pay attention... we're five steps ahead of you...


28 posted on 06/19/2006 10:06:29 PM PDT by dangus
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To: hlmencken3

>> Iowa went for Bush in 2004 by a mere 10K votes, after going for Gore, Clinton twice, and Dukakis! <<

Jim's district has been consistently Republican.


29 posted on 06/19/2006 10:08:26 PM PDT by dangus
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To: AuH2ORepublican

>> As much as I hate Shays, his record isn't *that* bad for someone for a district that gave Bush 43% in 2000 and 46% in 2004. <<

46% isn't half bad. It certainly doesn't explain why Christopher Shays votes liberal more often THEN MOST DEMOCRATS! He is by far, by very far, the most liberal Republican.

>>McInnis... Schwarz <<

Way ahead of you... Geez, don't you guys read the posts before you try piling on?... And, by the way, McInnis was no conservative. He's on the list for his voting record.

>> I would have ranked a couple Tim Holden of PA and maybe Bud Cramer of AL higher than them, but I guess you ranked them lower because they represent conservative districts. <<

Actually, they were in the list of the 20 most conservative... I gave a nod to the general conservativism of many Democrats in PA, and yes, holden is the most conservative.


30 posted on 06/19/2006 10:13:27 PM PDT by dangus
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To: CSM43
This could be some shoddy work by the ACU.

This could be some shoddy work by dangus.

31 posted on 06/19/2006 10:17:56 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: dangus

Iowa's Second Congressional District, to which Leach moved after redistricting a few years ago, actually leans Democrat.


32 posted on 06/19/2006 10:20:41 PM PDT by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: PhillyRepublican

You might want to re-think your position on Marshall.

“When calling the race in Marshall’s newly drawn district I can only conclude that if his reputation doesn’t sink him then his voting habits will.


" He has already been forced to vote along with Pelosi against building new oil refineries and drilling in ANWAR. He voted against repealing the Death Tax; despite, representing small farmers and businessmen who are negatively affected by this arcane legislation.



He also supported almost every funding bill for an unpopular and ineffective United Nations. Including the scandal plagued United Nation’s Population Fund which has been tied to China’s One Child Program of forced abortions and sterilizations. Frankly enough said. Come Election Day Marshall will be taking a midnight train back to Georgia”.




This means that Marshall needs to vote with the Republicans any time Pelosi lets him. Will this work? Probably not because of the clear choice offered by Mac Collins his GOP opponent.



"Georgia Representatives Marshall and McKinney vote against condemning Hamas"

Jim Marshall and Cynthia McKinney joined to vote against The Palestinian Anti-Terrorism Act of 2006
Jim Marshall and Cynthia McKinney joined today to vote against H.R. 4681 - The Palestinian Anti-Terrorism Act of 2006. The Palestinian Anti-Terrorism Act passed the House of Representatives by a vote of 361 to 37.



The Palestinian Anti-Terrorism Act bans U.S. assistance to the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority, denies visas to its leaders and cuts off diplomatic contact with Hamas, which the U.S. has branded a terrorist organization.



“I would question why anyone would vote against this bi-partisan stand against terrorism. Jim Marshall should justify his refusal to condemn Palestine’s terrorist government to the voters of middle Georgia,” said Ted Prill, Campaign Manager for Congressman Mac Collins (Ret. R-GA).



"Congressman Jim Marshall supports talks with the terrorist group Hamas"

The Macon Telegraph June 17, 2005


33 posted on 06/20/2006 5:08:58 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (John Spencer: Fighting to save America from Hillary Clinton..)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

{Murtha used to have a more conservative voting record, but not anymore}

I was shocked to learn that MoveOn's favorite RAT, Murtha, was pro-life. His brain cells must be eroding. I suspect Bob Casey Jr. shall morph into Murtha 6 years on from now.


34 posted on 06/21/2006 10:49:06 AM PDT by Kuksool
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