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Senate Democrats press to reduce troops in Iraq
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 6/19/06 | Vicki Allen

Posted on 06/19/2006 5:48:16 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Senate Democrats presented two plans for winding down U.S. involvement in Iraq on Monday, one to pull out U.S. combat forces by July 2007 and another to begin withdrawing this year without a deadline for completion.

With an election looming in November, Republicans branded the two plans as defeatist and evidence of Democratic disarray. The Senate was to debate the amendments on Tuesday in the annual defense policies bill.

"Three and a half years into the conflict, we should tell the Iraqis that the American security blanket is not permanent," said Sen. Carl Levin (news, bio, voting record) of Michigan, top Democrat on the Armed Services Committee.

The House of Representatives and Senate have debated Iraq in often harsh terms this month. Republicans sought to depict Democrats as weak on terrorism, and Democrats condemned President George W. Bush's policies that they said have caused chaos in Iraq, detracted from the fight against al Qaeda and drained U.S. resources.

Levin offered a nonbinding resolution saying Bush should start withdrawing an unspecified number of U.S. forces this year and give Congress a plan for the continued withdrawal.

Levin's measure had support from most Senate Democrats, who shied away from setting a deadline for a pullout out of fear of a full-scale Iraqi civil war.

There are about 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq and the conflict has caused more than 2,500 U.S. military deaths.

Sens. John Kerry of Massachusetts and Russell Feingold of Wisconsin, both eyeing presidential runs, pushed an amendment requiring that U.S. combat troops be out by July 2007. That was modified from Kerry's amendment calling for withdrawal by the end of 2006, which the Senate rejected last week when Republicans forced a vote.

In a statement, Kerry and Feingold said a deadline "gives Iraqis the best chance for stability and self-government" and "allows us to begin refocusing on the true threats that face our country."

Both Democratic plans provide that U.S. personnel training Iraqi forces, those conducting counter-terrorist operations and other specialized forces could remain in Iraq.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican, blasted the Levin measure as a "cut and run" policy that "threatens our national security and poses unacceptable risks to Americans."

Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record), a Virginia Republican who chairs the Armed Services Committee, said he did not support the Levin amendment "in this form," and was considering an alternative.

Rhode Island Democratic Sen. Jack Reed (news, bio, voting record), who crafted the resolution with Levin, said the White House has used the debate to attack Democrats. "This may be a way to divide the country, but it's not a strategy for success in Iraq," he said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; cutandrunrats; defeatists; iraq; press; reduce; senatedemocrats; senaterats; troops
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1 posted on 06/19/2006 5:48:19 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

If these same 'Rat bastards had been around in the 40s, we'd all be speaking German and Japanese today.


2 posted on 06/19/2006 5:49:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Wanna help kick some liberal arse? It's not just a job here at FR, IT's an obsession.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I think the Democrats have "Minority-itus"... a condition where the party comes up with a strategy that is sure to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Most people, when push comes to shove, understand that we can not even TALK about pulling our troops out before the job is done.

This is like a S.W.A.T team is staked out on a shopping center where terrorists hold captives, and the people are screaming "Just leave them alone and nobody will get hurt!!!"

We all know that if the S.W.A.T team does that, the next morning there will be a bunch of bodies all over the floor.


3 posted on 06/19/2006 5:51:42 PM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: NormsRevenge
If they get their way, it'd be more likely that nuclear weapons would be used at some point in the war on terror. This would be the ultimate, unintended carom shot.
4 posted on 06/19/2006 5:54:39 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: NormsRevenge

A partial withdraw will only put the remaining troops in even more danger.The facts on the ground should dictate the troop levels.


5 posted on 06/19/2006 5:56:55 PM PDT by ac-rep
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To: NormsRevenge
June,1944

"Three and a half years into the conflict, we should tell the Iraqis British/French/Australians that the American security blanket is not permanent," said Sen. Carl Levin (news, bio, voting record) of Michigan, top Democrat

6 posted on 06/19/2006 5:58:02 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I believe you're right. Putting aside the fact that the Democrats are just cynical opportunists who tailor their policy to whatever the polls said this morning, the practical result of an isolationist policy is to make over-reaction in the event of some new attack much more likely. If all the troops have to stay home in their barracks no matter what, there's no option between surrender and a nuke strike.


8 posted on 06/19/2006 5:59:33 PM PDT by Argus
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To: NormsRevenge

The Democratic Party, undermining America for decades.


9 posted on 06/19/2006 6:00:04 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: NormsRevenge

Of course! They are on the side of our enemies. Naturally they want to reduce the troops fighting against their side.


10 posted on 06/19/2006 6:01:27 PM PDT by ladyinred (Liberals are dangerous for America.)
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To: NormsRevenge

As Arnold says, "Why should we listen to losers?"


11 posted on 06/19/2006 6:02:24 PM PDT by Mark (REMEMBER: Mean spirited, angry remarks against my postings won't feed even one hungry child.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"In a statement, Kerry and Feingold said a deadline "gives Iraqis the best chance for stability and self-government" and "allows us to begin refocusing on the true threats that face our country."


Absolute morons.
12 posted on 06/19/2006 6:02:53 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: NormsRevenge

And driving Japanese and German cars...oops..never mind.


13 posted on 06/19/2006 6:03:49 PM PDT by Carl LaFong ("I'm sure glad I didn't get killed by a Korean rocket last night.....whew")
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To: NormsRevenge

The Senate just voted down Kerry's plan 93 to 6 so now the Dems come up with multiple plans because they feel they have some plan.

President Bush's plan is the right one, bring home the troops when the job is done.


14 posted on 06/19/2006 6:05:31 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Sen Devitto tells us how to fight???


15 posted on 06/19/2006 6:06:36 PM PDT by csmusaret (Urban Sprawl is an oxymoron)
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To: NormsRevenge
These people are slamming the door in their face again. Its clear to even the most casual observer of American politics the Democrats are invested in our defeat abroad. So here we have the sight of Democratic Senators telling the American people that our well-trained troops can't defeat a bunch of blood-thirsty terrorists. You can't make this up, folks! (laughing) They are headed for a big loss in November.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

16 posted on 06/19/2006 6:07:08 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: beanball

Hey beanball,
First off, did you come up with that name because of the size of your "cajones"? Secondly, your use of foul language reflects a low intellect. Thirdly, I was a Marine infantryman (aka an 03"walk a lot")who served this country honorably. If you care to call me a coward, I would happily meet you in a dark alley somewhere and "discuss" it with you!
And lastly, the above posters are correct regarding the cut and run Democrats.


17 posted on 06/19/2006 6:07:13 PM PDT by PhillyRepublican
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To: beanball; Darksheare; MikefromOhio; darkwing104

Dang. I just dunno if anyone ought to be this hammered this early on a Monday....


18 posted on 06/19/2006 6:07:34 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: beanball

Been in teh sauce early?
I already served, thank you very much.
You want peace with terrorists so much, go and offer ryourself as a hostage.


19 posted on 06/19/2006 6:08:54 PM PDT by Darksheare (This is a test of the emergency tagline system. Had there been an emergency, you would have heard...)
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To: Darksheare

Or as a human shield...LOL


20 posted on 06/19/2006 6:10:56 PM PDT by PhillyRepublican
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To: beanball
more name calling by the cowardly clowns,if you like war so much,go join the army you f**king twit.

Hey beanball, you're a moron. Why don't you go over there and find a camel to shack up with or something you "twit".
21 posted on 06/19/2006 6:11:21 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - Foreman of the NAU)
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To: beanball; Darksheare; MikefromOhio; darkwing104; ARealMothersSonForever

this troll has made something like 7 posts, all of them VERY trollish.....


22 posted on 06/19/2006 6:12:39 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - Foreman of the NAU)
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To: PhillyRepublican

That would be good as well!
*chuckle*


23 posted on 06/19/2006 6:13:28 PM PDT by Darksheare (This is a test of the emergency tagline system. Had there been an emergency, you would have heard...)
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To: NormsRevenge
Senate Democrats press to reduce success in Iraq
24 posted on 06/19/2006 6:14:49 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Darksheare

ahhh, he's banned now... ("more name calling by the cowardly clowns,if you like war so much,go join the army you fucking twit.")

bummers....wanted to interrogate him...

since 10/2003, too!


25 posted on 06/19/2006 6:15:01 PM PDT by bitt ("Land of the Free, because of the Brave...")
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To: beanball; Darksheare; MikefromOhio; darkwing104

I am getting all teary eyed. There is nothing like the smell of ozone.....


26 posted on 06/19/2006 6:15:08 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

LOL


27 posted on 06/19/2006 6:15:38 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - Foreman of the NAU)
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To: MikefromOhio

Yeah, noticed that.
And he was from '03 as well.


28 posted on 06/19/2006 6:15:51 PM PDT by Darksheare (This is a test of the emergency tagline system. Had there been an emergency, you would have heard...)
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To: NormsRevenge

If the Democrats had any sense-there would not have been a sliver of daylight between their position on the WOT and President Bush's.
Iraq is part of the WOT and it is moronic and insulting to pretend otherwise.
This should have been a non issue for the Democrats.
Being on the side of America and the men and women of the military while they are fighting terrorism- is always a plus.
Instead, the Democrats have aligned themselves with the terrorists .
And there is no way to spin that as a positive.


29 posted on 06/19/2006 6:18:43 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Darksheare

yep

before I was even here.

I kinda wondered about that, until I saw his posting history.


30 posted on 06/19/2006 6:18:46 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - Foreman of the NAU)
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To: bitt

I'd have loved to have asked him a few pointed questions as well.

Likely, he had several people using that handle, and the one on it tonight decided to throw it away.


31 posted on 06/19/2006 6:19:22 PM PDT by Darksheare (This is a test of the emergency tagline system. Had there been an emergency, you would have heard...)
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To: NormsRevenge
We could have won Viet Nam - if the military had been allowed to run the war...but the clueless politicians, who suffer from an occupational hazard - a belief that they are Gods - micromanaged every move.

If they really wanted to see the war come to a successful end, they'd sit down and shut up.

OH, I forgot - the DON'T want a successful end. That's their biggest nightmare...it would vindicate Pres. Bush

Traitorous back of vipers, one and all

32 posted on 06/19/2006 6:22:45 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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To: MikefromOhio
There have been trolls from before I signed up.
Some were more prolific than others.
But in the end, they can't help themselves and go off in a blaze of ignominy.
33 posted on 06/19/2006 6:23:12 PM PDT by Darksheare (This is a test of the emergency tagline system. Had there been an emergency, you would have heard...)
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To: Darksheare

Here they go again. They are noticing that troop levels are down by 30,000 and they are trying to jump on the train before it leaves the station, so they can claim some of the credit.


34 posted on 06/19/2006 6:30:07 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Bahbah

Hey, Bah---check out the second to last paragraph in this article.


35 posted on 06/19/2006 6:31:40 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: NormsRevenge

You know when it dose become the real time to reduce forces and leave. These dims will try to take credit.


36 posted on 06/19/2006 6:33:35 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I did use spell check!)
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To: Txsleuth
Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record), a Virginia Republican who chairs the Armed Services Committee, said he did not support the Levin amendment "in this form," and was considering an alternative.

Senator John, I really would have made a great president, Warner, has not served this country well with his last intervention. Let's see how he does this time.

37 posted on 06/19/2006 6:34:05 PM PDT by Bahbah (Democrat Motto: Why not the worst)
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To: maine-iac7
We could have won Viet Nam

I do not know who told you that we lost in Viet Nam. I do know that they are incorrect. Congress pulled our troops out, and the South Vietnamese people and Cambodians lost. Just another page in Marxist revisionist history.

38 posted on 06/19/2006 6:36:16 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: MikefromOhio
Damn...Missed out. Now my feelings are hurt.


39 posted on 06/19/2006 6:36:18 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: NormsRevenge

Bunch of Ankle biters.

They just voted on this last week.

Mitch needs to call them on it again.


40 posted on 06/19/2006 6:38:02 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: Bahbah

Hopefully, the other Republicans will really be paying attention to what is going on THIS time..and not vote for another "alternative" written by Warner from a Levin amendment.


41 posted on 06/19/2006 6:38:39 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: darkwing104
Here is a VK to help your feelings!

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42 posted on 06/19/2006 6:38:52 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: NormsRevenge

Was findst du falsch dahin, das die ganze Welt deutsche muessen sprechen? Gibt's Problem dafuer?

(Hu hu hu!)


43 posted on 06/19/2006 6:43:26 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: ClaireSolt

Pretty much as you say it.
Only some are more strident with the "MEEeee!" whines.


44 posted on 06/19/2006 6:45:45 PM PDT by Darksheare (This is a test of the emergency tagline system. Had there been an emergency, you would have heard...)
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To: darkwing104

sorry :)


45 posted on 06/19/2006 6:46:14 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - Foreman of the NAU)
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To: NormsRevenge
Bump.

Sometimes I question the patriotism of the Democrats.
46 posted on 06/19/2006 6:47:16 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Gentleman, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room - Dr. Strangelove)
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To: NormsRevenge
Ping
47 posted on 06/19/2006 6:47:54 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Gentleman, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room - Dr. Strangelove)
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To: elcid1970

Du bist schlecht. Alles gibt nicht von Deutschland.
The problem that is presented is individuals that participate on this forum, where American English is spoken, bring dialect from the fatherland which is improper. Nitwit.


48 posted on 06/19/2006 6:49:45 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: ThomasThomas

Our overwhelming voices will drown out the rat's message. We shall loudly proclaim the TRUE heroes and the people that earned the victory in the WOT, and it will be our men and women of the US Military... and President Bush! Amen!!!

LLS


49 posted on 06/19/2006 6:55:13 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: NormsRevenge

If we let them rule now we could be speaking French!


50 posted on 06/19/2006 6:58:52 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I did use spell check!)
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