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The Arab Mind (believe in this insane concept of martyrdom and violence)
Newsmax ^ | Wednesday, June 21, 2006 | John LeBoutillier

Posted on 06/21/2006 9:17:29 AM PDT by IrishMike

Well, it did not take long for the case of the two MIAs to end: They were brutally tortured and then apparently beheaded by the new head of al-Qaida in Iraq.

Perhaps this is their (demented) view of payback for our killing al-Zarqawi two weeks ago. Whatever it is, it further illustrates the brutality of the militant Muslim enemy that we face across the world. And it needs to be made clear that while most Muslims do not behave this way - indeed the overwhelming majority do not - that majority for whatever reason also does not condemn it.

However, the Iraqi government - elected thanks to the courage and sacrifice of our soldiers and taxpayers - seems incapable or unwilling to crack down on these militants.

In fact, many of these murderers are actually members of the Iraqi Army by day, and then at night maraud as Muslim militia members sometimes even killing their own fellow Army troops!

Today's abduction and murder of one of Saddam's lawyers is a case in point: He was abducted from his house by Iraqis wearing police uniforms - and then hours later he was found shot to death and dumped on the street in the Shi'a part of Baghdad.

This is a daily occurrence in Iraq. These militants play both sides of the game - and can't be trusted.

Now, as to our ultimate game plan in Iraq:

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1 posted on 06/21/2006 9:17:35 AM PDT by IrishMike
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To: IrishMike

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2 posted on 06/21/2006 9:25:17 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: IrishMike
And it needs to be made clear that while most Muslims do not behave this way - indeed the overwhelming majority do not -

I am really, really tired hearing this from the clueless... including my president, in view of the fact that this is as true now as it was on Sept 10, 2001... :

that majority for whatever reason also does not condemn it.
And certainly never show any inclination whatsoever to root out an kill the murderers among them. I can only conclude that they are quite satisfied with what is happening.

So Spare Me!

3 posted on 06/21/2006 9:25:42 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: IrishMike

Why are people that believe everything that happens is the will of God, expected to condemn something that happens?


4 posted on 06/21/2006 9:27:13 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr
Why do muslims get all fired up when a crusader army invades a muslim country and kills a bunch of jihadis?

Isn't THAT the will of god (allah) too?
5 posted on 06/21/2006 9:30:24 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Man was made in the image of God, not pond scum)
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To: IrishMike
Wrong title...not Arab mind

It should be the Muslim mind. Christian Arabs denounce evil and violence unlike Arab or other ethnic Muslims.

6 posted on 06/21/2006 9:30:35 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Publius6961
that majority for whatever reason also does not condemn it. And certainly never show any inclination whatsoever to root out an kill the murderers among them. I can only conclude that they are quite satisfied with what is happening.

When will the "moderate" followers of Mad Moe report the first extremist? Approaching 5 years and still waiting for the Islamo victim class to get off their butts and stand up for America.

7 posted on 06/21/2006 9:32:12 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: eleni121
It should be the Muslim mind. Christian Arabs denounce evil and
violence unlike Arab or other ethnic Muslims.


Just needed repeated.

And at the same time I'll note that I've heard some Palestinian Christians
sound like they were buddies with Arafat. I guess they thought he
was a better devil than the alternatives (Hamas, etc.)
8 posted on 06/21/2006 9:34:22 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Publius6961

Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...

Sadly, I have come to the belief that the only good muslim is a dead muslim.


9 posted on 06/21/2006 9:34:52 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...)
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To: stuartcr
Why are people that believe everything that happens is the will of God, expected to condemn something that happens?

Because God expects us to condemn evil and take action against it.

10 posted on 06/21/2006 9:34:58 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: Dark Skies

Did you read this article ?, I was beaten to the post, man it's worth reading a few times.

Geneva and Savagery
Al Qaeda’s reminder to the Supreme Court.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=M2YwODMzZjhjOWJlNDhiNDNjZGEwZGM4Zjk5MWZmODk

So, al Qaeda has done what al Qaeda does. It tortured and murdered our two soldiers. Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker never had a chance once they fell into the jihadists’ savage hands.
Meanwhile, some time in the next few days, the Supreme Court will decide the most important case of its term, Hamdan v. Rumsfeld. Salim Ahmed Hamdan, the personal driver and confidant of Osama bin Laden, claims his “rights” would be infringed if he is subjected to a military commission of the type President Bush authorized in late 2001 — the type that has from a time out of memory been imposed on those who violate the laws of war. Hamdan demands, instead, a court martial, with all the elevated protections afforded to our own forces by our own military — if not a full-blown civilian trial, before a federal judge, with all the protections afforded by our Constitution to American citizens accused of crimes.

Of course, a Yemeni national captured in Afghanistan whose only connection to the United States is to wage war against her has no rights under our Constitution. The entitlements Hamdan insists he rates can only come from international law: specifically, the Third Geneva Convention of 1949, relative to the treatment of prisoners of war.

Except there’s a problem … actually several problems. Al Qaeda, being an atrocious international terrorist network rather than a nation, is not a “high contracting party” to the Convention. It has no general or presumed claim on the treaty’s protections.

This does not necessarily mean it could never claim Geneva rights. But it does mean those rights must be earned. Geneva’s Golden Rule is earned reciprocity. Article 2 of the Convention makes it very clear: a non-party may earn the privileges and immunities of the treaty if it “accepts and applies the provisions thereof.”

So exactly how are Islamic terrorists faring on Geneva’s “Do unto others” scorecard?


11 posted on 06/21/2006 9:38:57 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: Publius6961

So Spare Me!
ping !!!!!


12 posted on 06/21/2006 9:39:54 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: eleni121

I can't change a title....


13 posted on 06/21/2006 9:41:09 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: VOA

And at the same time I'll note that I've heard some Palestinian Christians
sound like they were buddies with Arafat. I guess they thought he
was a better devil than the alternatives (Hamas, etc.)
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Yes you are right...some put their "faith" in Marxist-Muslim meld as a way to undermine the Muslim tendency toward exterminating Christians.

But you know as well as I do, there are dhimmified Christians everywhere...more so among those who have been psychologically harmed by surviving as Christians for 1300 years.


14 posted on 06/21/2006 9:43:33 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: reagan_fanatic

Beats me, I guess people from different cultures, think and act differently about moral issues, while being invaded is a physical act requiring self-defense of one's property and life.

You'll have to ask God why He made everyone so different.


15 posted on 06/21/2006 9:47:17 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: IrishMike

I can't change a title....
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Of course not. I am simply ponting out the author's errors....and that is not the only one.


16 posted on 06/21/2006 9:47:41 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Publius6961
Ditto!

I, too am patiently waiting for a solitary voice anywhere in the Muslim World to condemn even a single act of violence or cruelty perpetrated in the name of Allah. If there are Muslim moderates appalled by acts of savagery committed in the name of their faith and God, let them speak.

17 posted on 06/21/2006 9:51:26 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: IrishMike

Arabs have a mind???

An invalid assumption IMO.


18 posted on 06/21/2006 9:54:14 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: IrishMike
"And it needs to be made clear that while most Muslims do not behave this way "

They all read the same koran and follow the same pedophile "prophets" murderous ways. So while "most" muslims do not act this way, they all have the potential to. There is no need to add that PC BS line.

19 posted on 06/21/2006 9:54:59 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: reagan_fanatic

What about when a natural disaster such as an earthquake or tsunami hits an Islamic country? We never hear about that being Allah's will.


20 posted on 06/21/2006 9:55:43 AM PDT by Sender ("Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-b*tches we're going up against. By God, I do".)
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To: eleni121
" It should be the Muslim mind. Christian Arabs denounce evil and violence unlike Arab or other ethnic Muslims."

Right on. Muslims come in all shapes and colors, it is not a racial group. In days of old when writers told the truth, they were called "Muhammadan crusaders". Perhaps this writer should read: Inside the mind of the Muhammadan

22 posted on 06/21/2006 10:01:48 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: VOA

Again........any religion that condones murder, torture, and butchery does not belong in America.


23 posted on 06/21/2006 10:10:12 AM PDT by newcthem (Where can I order a dozen bacon wrapped korans.........to go?)
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To: frogjerk

You must have read that somewhere.


24 posted on 06/21/2006 10:10:57 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr
Beats me, I guess people from different cultures, think and act differently about moral issues, while being invaded is a physical act requiring self-defense of one's property and life. You'll have to ask God why He made everyone so different.

I'm a Christian, but I've never bought into this 'everything happens according to God's will' argument. I believe the two greatest things he gave us was life and the free will to do as we please. As for the rest of it, I believe God takes a hands-off approach and lets things happen naturally, for good or bad. Don't ask why - I'm sure he has his reasons ;)

That's what I find funny about the jihadis - they're quick to scream 'it's allah's will' when a hurricane hits the United States, but are strangely silent when an earthquake or tsunami hits a muslim country and kills tens of thousands.
25 posted on 06/21/2006 10:14:30 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Man was made in the image of God, not pond scum)
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To: reagan_fanatic

We believe differently, but we probably agree that what and why God does things, is His business, and a mystery to us.


26 posted on 06/21/2006 10:16:59 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: IrishMike
Thx for that article. Good read.

I am disgusted with this PC way this war is being waged.

I think anyone suspected of being a terrorist or of supporting terrorism (particularly inside the U.S.) should be given a quick military trial (before a tribunal) and shot as soon as they are of no further use.

This is a war like no other and we may be killing more of the enemy, but I doubt we have even begun to damage to the hideous ideology that fuels this war.

27 posted on 06/21/2006 10:17:01 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Nathan Zachary

I bet all people have the potential to act differently, regardless of faith, ethnicity, culture, etc.


28 posted on 06/21/2006 10:19:14 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Dark Skies

btt


29 posted on 06/21/2006 10:20:22 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: IrishMike
June 21, 2006 TOO LATE

By: John LuhBOOT lee ay

As Carole King sang thirty years ago, “It’s too late, Baby.” She was referring to romance, but in this context it is too late for Team Bush to recapture the loyalty of the conservative GOP base. When your leader plummets to 29% - and is voted in the latest Quinnipiac poll as the worst president since WW II - there is no hope of enforcing party discipline.

The internal state of the Republican Party is one of total turmoil. They are floundering - and do not know what to do to right the ship of state.

So they are - again - trying to federalize a state issue: marriage. Since when did we conservatives believe the federal government should usurp state’s rights?

It is indeed “too late.” GW Bush’s credibility is shot; his power eroded; his ability to influence events virtually gone.

His own arrogance and ignorance caused his downfall. He was too arrogant to listen when warned about the impending fiasco in Iraq; and he was too ignorant - and lazy - to study history to see what lay ahead in a war such as this.

The result?

A presidency deteriorating right before our eyes. Never - even under the inept Carter or the corrupt Nixon - have we seen a self-immolation quite like this. And we still have 2 ½ years to go!

No wonder more and more people are calling for a Third Party. Or, as has been written in this space for more than a year, an Independent Third Candidate who runs against both parties.

30 posted on 06/21/2006 10:21:27 AM PDT by anglian
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To: eleni121

One of the founders of the Baath Party was a Greek Orthodox Syrian by the name of Michael Aflak. He either converted to Islam or embraced a Pan-Arab nationalism with Islam as its political basis.


31 posted on 06/21/2006 10:42:49 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Inside the mind of the Muhammadan

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looks interesting. thanks

32 posted on 06/21/2006 10:43:28 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: anglian

I don't agree with the article, and it's never too late.


33 posted on 06/21/2006 10:45:35 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: attiladhun2

It's horrible. Michel Aflaq, another graduate of the Sorbonne - that French institution has turned a lot of men to the dark side hasn't it? - established the Baathist ideology.


34 posted on 06/21/2006 10:53:02 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Nathan Zachary

When I have time I am going to disgest this material more fully. It is exactly as I have been saying for years--the Arabs only contribution to humanity was the taming of the camel, the invention of the camel saddle, and the fogara (an efficient type of well that they may not actually have discovered). Other than that, they have done nothing to benefit humanity as a whole. Even Islam itself was partly stolen from Christianity and Judaism. All of the so-called "Arab" discoveries are Byzantine, Egyptian, Persian, or have some other origin.


35 posted on 06/21/2006 10:56:59 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: eleni121
Back before and just after 9/11, I was on a listserve with an American woman who was Jewish and living in Israel. She frequently said that she had to be very circumspect because there were Israeli Arabs who lived in her neighborhood and were quick to denounce anyone who spoke out against the PA, Arafat, etc. At times, her fear was palpable even thru the email.

I can imagine how difficult life must be for Arab Christians living in Palestine-controlled areas.
36 posted on 06/21/2006 10:59:01 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: IrishMike; Millee; Fla road trip
Re: The Arab Mind

Well, the Japs kinda had the same mindset...

Until...

We got their attention...

37 posted on 06/21/2006 11:02:59 AM PDT by Bender2 (Gad! The inmates have control... And I'm trying to quit smoking!)
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To: eleni121

I suspect that when Aflak attended the Sorbonne it was run by anti-colonial Leftists. After WWII the Left had a great deal of influence in France because it was prominent in the Resistance. The Right was discredited because many of them sided with the Vichyites.


38 posted on 06/21/2006 11:04:09 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: Nathan Zachary

May we not assume that they WOULD act this way under the same circumstances?


39 posted on 06/21/2006 11:04:17 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: reformedliberal

If you have time, here is an intersting interview with a Jewish fellow who discusses the Christian plight in the Holy Land.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20583


40 posted on 06/21/2006 11:10:24 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel.

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41 posted on 06/21/2006 11:19:58 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: attiladhun2

Sorbonne: Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh...others? oh yes... Abimael Guzmán-shining path (peru).


42 posted on 06/21/2006 11:24:38 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: IrishMike
"They are devout Muslims who do not want Christian and Jewish American troops on their soil for any longer than necessary."

The Muslims (after how long now?) must know that our presence there is their last, best and maybe their only hope to finally get it right. All the coalition efforts and all the world attention, all the assistance and good will of everyone involved will mean nothing if they insist on reverting to type. Sadam (the ham fisted butcher) was where, who and how he was because their inability to stand together for ANYTHING permitted him (or anyone like him) to take advantage of their divisiveness. Are they really too stupid to see that is where they will return if they do not consolidate their gains before we go? Their political and social immaturity is something they need to put down, like a boat anchor, and walk away from before they can succeed.
43 posted on 06/21/2006 11:25:32 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: IrishMike

Long past time to resurrect Vlad the Impaler.


44 posted on 06/21/2006 11:30:49 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (No More White House Dynasties! Two Adamses and two Bushes are enough. No more Clintons or Bushes!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

“To sum up: the Arab has borrowed everything from other nations, literature, art, science, and even his religious ideas. He has passed it all through the sieve of his own narrow mind, and being incapable of rising to high philosophic conceptions, he has distorted, mutilated and desiccated everything. This destructive influence explains the decadence of Musulman nations and their powerlessness to break away from barbarism…”

Thanks for the link!


45 posted on 06/21/2006 4:25:21 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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To: stuartcr

"...all people have the potential to act differently, regardless of faith, ethnicity, culture, etc."

Pity the children...


“The deadening influence of Islam is well demonstrated by the way in which the Musulman comports himself at different stages of his life. In his early childhood, when
the religion has not as yet impregnated his brain, he shows a very lively intelligence and remarkably open mind, accessible to ideas of every kind; but, in proportion as he grows up, and as, through the system of his education, Islam lays hold of him and envelops him, his brain seems to shut up, his judgment to become atrophied, and his intelligence to be stricken by paralysis and irremediable degeneration.”

Their brainwashing begins at birth. When a newborn opens its eyes, the father must recite a koranic verse to the babe, and from then on, the indoctrination never stops.


46 posted on 06/21/2006 4:31:14 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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To: IrishMike
"This is a daily occurrence in Iraq. These militants play both sides of the game - and can't be trusted. "

I believe that is a typo.

It should read: "These MUSLIMS play both sides of the game - and can't be trusted."

47 posted on 06/21/2006 4:36:14 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: Publius6961
"that majority for whatever reason also does not condemn it.

And certainly never show any inclination whatsoever to root out an kill the murderers among them. I can only conclude that they are quite satisfied with what is happening."

And more and more people are getting fed up with their constant whining about "profiling" and "defamation" a la the ACLU, yet not distancing themselves from the barbarians who claim to be the true representatives of their faith with anything more than a mealymouthed "we don't condone terror".

48 posted on 06/21/2006 4:39:58 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: Dark Skies
"...I doubt we have even begun to damage to the hideous ideology that fuels this war."

I believe that the longer "peaceful Muslims" go without vehemently separating themselves from overt murderers the more people are going to recognize the ridiculousness of claims that Allah and the God of the Bible are one-in-the-same, and come to openly admit that Islam is a cult of death and destruction-- pressure to be politically correct notwithstanding.

In fact, the falling of this part of the politically correct veil may go a long way toward exposing the carefully crafted bizarro parallel universe the MSM and liberalism have been working for nearly to suck their "enlightened" masses into.

49 posted on 06/21/2006 4:48:42 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: SMARTY
"Are they really too stupid to see that is where they will return if they do not consolidate their gains before we go?"

Is that intended to be a rhetorical question?

The last I heard they hadn't renounced Islam.

50 posted on 06/21/2006 4:58:57 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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